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Iowa Highschool Tournament

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Old argument - but neither one of those two schools should be competing in 1A. I don't care what their actual enrollment is. Being able to pull from the entire city of Waterloo and going against the true small schools in Iowa is just f'n ridiculous.

They are hardly constrained to the town they are located in…
 
I think the private schools should be auto bumped up a class.

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They are hardly constrained to the town they are located in…
So you think the people in the oh so densely populated areas of rural Iowa find it as easy to pick a new school from outside your home district, make travel arrangements, as say someone from Des Moines, Cedar Rapids, or Waterloo? OK. There's a reason why private/catholic schools dominate the post season and it's not because they are inherently more talented. To argue against the fact that they have an advantage due to the greater population base is absurd.
 
So you think the people in the oh so densely populated areas of rural Iowa find it as easy to pick a new school from outside your home district, make travel arrangements, as say someone from Des Moines, Cedar Rapids, or Waterloo? OK. There's a reason why private/catholic schools dominate the post season and it's not because they are inherently more talented. To argue against the fact that they have an advantage due to the greater population base is absurd.
I'm not sure why you quoted me because I agree with you. I'm all for the public schools refusing to schedule them.
 
I'm not sure why you quoted me because I agree with you. I'm all for the public schools refusing to schedule them.
With all due respect that is loser mentality. Anyone, anytime, any place.... These kids are choosing to wrestle for a coach/program that is as committed to improving/winning as the wrestler is.
 
With all due respect that is loser mentality. Anyone, anytime, any place.... These kids are choosing to wrestle for a coach/program that is as committed to improving/winning as the wrestler is.
I was speaking about all sports. A few years ago Don Bosco was playing 8 man football with the roster size of some 2A teams. That's where I think the other 8 mans shouldn't schedule them. They can play Don Bosco in the playoffs with Bosco not getting any games in. Level the playing field some. I don't think enjoying an even playing field is a losers mentality. Why even have classes then? And just because I don't like it doesn't mean I don't expect my public school to win. And it is even sweeter when they do. I'm just using Bosco as an example. My school isn't 8 man.
 
The Catholic/Public schools debate has been raging for my whole lifetime. It's not as big of a deal now, since certain (unnamed) public schools in and near several metro areas in Iowa started recruiting (even out-of-state) kids for many years now. In our area Assumption dropped from 3A to 2A in the minor sports, and they were pretty competitive in 3A. They were getting kids from quite a ways out of the metro QC area, but when the two public schools a little to the North started recruiting the best kids, they fell off a bit. It's hard to compete with tradition and recruiting and larger enrollments all three.
 
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Fellers is another solid freshmen
checked out his matches and enjoyed watching. over under 2.5 headlock attempts vs. block today?

if he develops into something, i assume he'd be close to an iowa lock with the family connections.
 
Illinois might currently do this,
Illinois has a success ratio. IF you place in the top 3 or something like that for a certain number of years and are a private school then you have to move up. Montini had an enrollment of around 500 and they were in the 3A class (1500 and up) by the time they quit moving up. They started as 1A and moved to 2A then 3A.
 
So you think the people in the oh so densely populated areas of rural Iowa find it as easy to pick a new school from outside your home district, make travel arrangements, as say someone from Des Moines, Cedar Rapids, or Waterloo? OK. There's a reason why private/catholic schools dominate the post season and it's not because they are inherently more talented. To argue against the fact that they have an advantage due to the greater population base is absurd.

Where the heck did I ever say anything like that? Private schools can and do pull kids from rural districts. It’s a fact, not a defense of some sort. I’m actually in favor of treating private schools differently in some way.

Private vs. public.. Keep in mind that sometimes it just isn’t about sports either…. Especially in today’s world. And public schools recruit as much, or more, and than catholic/private.

The VAST majority do not play that game. We all know the ones (Waverly) that (Waverly) do (Waverly).
 
It reminds me of the Texas HS Football system where they have a Division I and a Division II in each class from A to 6A. I believe it's randomized at the beginning of the year as to which Division you'll be competeting in. (It's not a reflection of class size or anything else, that's what the A-6A distinction is for) Even more crazy as is that each division has it's own 64 team playoff bracket at the end of the year and each Division has it's own champ, that has won 6 playoff games in a row. And you're left with two bad ass teams, from the same class, oftentimes both undefeated that will never play each other in a "Superbowl" type game. It's bad for fans. But a 17 game season is plenty for a HS team and pushing the season past Christmas is never going to happen. It seems weird to have two different state champs in each class but everyone is used to it now. Obviously Texas is a huge state but it's kind of wild to think that 128 teams are competing in the playoffs in each class each year.
Texas state playoffs is a huge moneymaker, it isn't about being good enough to qualify. Through enough playoff games that sorts itself out, but it completely screws all the other fall/winter sports for an extra 6 weeks longer than it should. If you are a FB player, you might run track, no wrestling or basketball for them.
 
Illinois has a success ratio. IF you place in the top 3 or something like that for a certain number of years and are a private school then you have to move up. Montini had an enrollment of around 500 and they were in the 3A class (1500 and up) by the time they quit moving up. They started as 1A and moved to 2A then 3A.
I think Indiana does this with football both private and public
 
2A finals
106 -

No. 1 Brayden Bohnsack (Union, LaPorte City) 45-5 vs No. 2 Carter West (Notre Dame, Burlington) 50-1

113 -

No. 1 Jace Hedeman (Union, LaPorte City) 45-0 vs No. 6 Aiden Smith (Atlantic) 35-11

120 -

No. 2 Blake Fox (Osage) 50-2 vs No. 6 Vinny Mayberry (Glenwood) 35-1

126 -

No. 3 Jase Jaspers (Mount Vernon) 41-4 vs No. 1 Derrick Bass (Assumption, Davenport) 34-1

132 -

No. 1 Kale Petersen (Greene County) 41-0 vs No. 3 Anders Kittelson (Osage) 50-2

138 -

No. 1 McKinley Robbins (Greene County) 45-0 vs No. 3 Tate O`Shea (Keokuk) 25-1

145 -

No. 1 Tucker Stangel (Osage) 39-0 vs No. 6 Ty Koedam (Sergeant Bluff-Luton) 47-5

152 -

No. 1 Cooper Sanders (Vinton-Shellsburg) 46-1 vs No. 2 Isaiah Fenton (Notre Dame, Burlington) 38-0

160 -

No. 1 Dawson Bond (Red Oak) 43-3 vs No. 3 Cole Butikofer (Crestwood, Cresco) 42-4

170 -

No. 1 Nicholas Fox (Osage) 48-2 vs No. 2 Ethan DeLeon (Bishop Heelan Catholic) 44-0

182 -

No. 1 CJ Walrath (Notre Dame, Burlington) 55-0 vs No. 3 Brody Sampson (Ballard) 51-2

195 -

No. 7 Gabriel Christensen (Ballard) 48-1 vs No. 5 CJ Carter (Glenwood) 46-3

220 -

No. 1 Nick Reinicke (Dike-New Hartford) 44-0 vs No. 5 Henry Christensen (Ballard) 46-7

285 -

No. 2 Cameron Geuther (West Delaware, Manchester) 42-5 vs Wil Textor (Dike-New Hartford) 37-8
 
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any huge upsets or wild matches so far for the out of state crowd to check out?
 
Where the heck did I ever say anything like that? Private schools can and do pull kids from rural districts. It’s a fact, not a defense of some sort. I’m actually in favor of treating private schools differently in some way.



The VAST majority do not play that game. We all know the ones (Waverly) that (Waverly) do (Waverly).
My point is very simple, private schools in or near more densely populated areas have a distinct advantage over typical Class A schools located in more remote sections of the state. Their geographic area (recruiting base) includes more potential students. Simply pooling fact. Their actual enrollment size is irrelevant and should not be a deciding factor in what class they are in. How can this be resolved? I have no clue other than they should never be in the smallest class.
 
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Off the top, i’d recommend Trevino vs Riggins from last night for some extremely high level wrestling for a freshman vs. a sophomore…. The 1a semis at 160 are worth a watch today as well.
Thanks! I assume Riggins is related to Aiden in some way? Totally different style. Reminded me a lot of Cole Matthews with his build, movement, and scramble style.
 
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Dreshaun Ross is one cool customer, totally dominant. As a freshman 195, he's almost assuredly a college HWT right?

Also, congrats to Arnold and Block on their dominant Semi-final pins. Both played with their food a bit then put 'em down. Block is going to be a good one for us. We're due for a state of Iowa recruit #11-75 range to pop off for big NCAA contributions like Clark/DSJ/Sorensen.
 
Cedar Rapids Xavier for football
Gilbertville Don Bosco for wrestling
Remsen St. Mary's for baseball
Hull Western Christian for volleyball
Sioux City Bishop Heelan Catholic for football (20-30 years ago) just to name a few
 
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