awful call.
if you default on an illegal slam your day should be done. if your bell is too rung to continue, a concussion should be assumed. seen way too much of this bs.
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if you default on an illegal slam your day should be done. if your bell is too rung to continue, a concussion should be assumed. seen way too much of this bs.
The number of slams at one of the district tourneys (won’t say which one) was amazing….and they weren’t being called.
If I’m a coach I’m telling my wrestlers that’s not typical, those mat returns will get called as slams at state. And no, Slade was not at that district.
If I’m a coach I’m telling my wrestlers that’s not typical, those mat returns will get called as slams at state. And no, Slade was not at that district.
I didn't see the video - no flo.
Totally disagree with your POV. Saying "the kid's day should be done" does 2 things. #1 Punishes the kid that was a victim of an illegal move. #2 Would encourage illegal moves to take out an opposing team's hammer. The current rule will have an occasional flaw; however, it generally works very well almost all the time. Yes, I am a ref.
Disagree 100%. Show some class
100%. Saw an awful situation in the ticket round at semi state in indiana where the kid being lifted tried to do a standing granby and knocked himself out. Top wrestler had absolutely nothing to do with it, but they called a slam, kid defaulted, and then wrestled 2 more times that day. It was atrocious.
Not all illegal moves. Specifically slams. With the emphasis on concussions if you default after a slam because of a head injury, you should be deemed to have failed concussion protocol and your day is over. We shouldn't mess around with concussions.
Bad PD call for sure. I've never understood the PD on half nelsons. If it hurts, go over. It's not like a bar/wing where the angle of the arm changes.
Don't think a turn was imminent and I also don't think the kid on bottom was in pain. He had those crazy flexible shoulders. Unfortunately, I think the call affected Miller's mindset. Need to stay composed and go right back to it to force overtime. Got overzealous and tried something wild and it cost him.
If you are diagnosed with a concussion, you are OUT. It already exists.
I understand man. I'm saying if you're defaulting a match because of a head injury that should result in an automatic concussion diagnosis. That's how it is in football to my knowledge. Why should it be different here? Both protects the kids and disincentivizes taking a dive.
A concussion diagnosis is only done by approved health care professionals. They alone make the call.
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I doubt it. If so it will probably bother the kid for the rest of his life. Most kids who make it to a state semi aren’t looking for an easy way out. Blame the official not the kid!
They're literally there already. Come on, stop being obtuse. Your fantasy scenario of "kids will try to take out others studs with illegal moves" is ridiculous.
But they might be looking for an easy way in.
Don’t forget there are people who view a slam as a reason to terminate a match and take the W. They don’t see it as a 1 point penalty. They don’t see it as a return to the durable hips v a return to the head. They see it as an opening and when the stakes are high watch out. For them to limp off the mat only to lose the limp minutes later happens.
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It’s a fine line we’re walking here…. Both of you can be correct here and are IMHO.
Haha. No, I’m the opposite. But I applaud your effort, it not easy to be wrong twice in one statement.
You and I view the honor side of the sport with winning being secondary, but it’s not always what happens. Fortunately we are in the vast majority and there is a lot of honor in the sport.
Kind of a reach there. Fox's and Muller's have been Osage wrestlers for generations. Kittleson is not native to my knowledge.
That was a throw in almost a 50/50 position. Slade did all the proper things...popped his hips and went over his shoulder. Stupid call. In another match, Don Bosco HWY got Suplayed (Belly to back) and the ref didn't call it until the Coach basically walked on the mat and had to school him.
As far as the other wrestler stopping the match, I don't think it was his call. It was the either the coach or the trainer. BTW, he wrestled in the semis and made it to the finals after clearing concussion protocols (Cody Goodwin).
As far as the other wrestler stopping the match, I don't think it was his call. It was the either the coach or the trainer. BTW, he wrestled in the semis and made it to the finals after clearing concussion protocols (Cody Goodwin).
Christensen needs to be considered as a fall back option at 125. He'll be a lifer at 125 and he's a fierce competitor. Good in all positions and a goer. Real short like Tomasello but could be a spot starter if Iowa wiffs on the likes of Davino and Lilledahl. If Iowa is going to offer Dru any money, I'd allocate that money to Koufax in a heartbeat. Just a flat out better wrestler and will be better at the D1 level than the younger Ayala.
Speaking of concussions did anyone notice the 3A 220 semi opposite Kueter?
Dubuque kid gets his bell rung, nauseous, continues the match and Ironside just couldn’t figure out why he gassed so fast.
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Dubuque kid gets his bell rung, nauseous, continues the match and Ironside just couldn’t figure out why he gassed so fast.
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Kittleson and Thomas are both Crestwood imports. Not a reach.
I don’t get why top kids bail on Crestwood. That staff is great at developing kids and by all accounts Slifka is a good man.
I have no issue with private schools doing their thing or kids transferring to the good public school programs. Saw it happen back in Tucson. The Larkin brothers transferred from an elite public school (academically) in a wealthy area down to one of the poorer school districts in Sunnyside because they loved Coach Deberry. I think the Gallicks as well. It worked out well for both but a lot of sacrifices were involved. I don't pretend to know the "inside baseball" scoops on which public schools recruit etc like some in here but it's not like it's a secret that SEP and WSR are good. Also, for some schools, wrestling is just not a high priority and the lack of good workout partners can be an issue. Parents might not be able to afford (in terms of time and $$) to get their kid into Sebolt or Big Game but if driving an extra 15 miles to the nearest school that does have a good program (Coaching and partners) can help, than why not as long as its within the ruleset.
That was in no way a slame, almost an even position for both guys. Ref got spooked because he went backwards and landed on his shoulder and head.
Did he hit his head somewhere in that match? I could not figure out when it happened but it was a bizarre finishSpeaking of concussions did anyone notice the 3A 220 semi opposite Kueter?
Dubuque kid gets his bell rung, nauseous, continues the match and Ironside just couldn’t figure out why he gassed so fast.
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The notion that kids just magically show up because they have a good program is ignorance.
I error on the side of safety with slams but that wasn't the type that normally deserves called IMO.
Fine, but deduct Kittleson/Thomas points and I think Osage wins 2A regardless, so the original post is kind of irrelevant.
Note; I didn't run the math but I'm just assuming they'd still win without the transfers.
Not necessarily.
I see it already in 6th grade basketball. Club teams kids hang together and develop friendships. Someone suggests that so and so should play at (fill in the school).
In my example, the school coach isn't aware, at least not initially.
So kids do JUST SHOW UP and not all instances are the same.
Listen, I get your bitterness. NH has fallen on hard times since their glory days
Someone “suggests” and the coach has no idea. Lmao…it’s just magical how that works. Regardless of that scenario, it doesn’t really refute what I was talking about. Schools like WSR and SEP have have active recruiting programs with full buy in from admins down to coaches.
I have no association with NH anymore. Haven’t for many years. Not sure what that has to do with anything, anyway. Weird pivot.
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The example I gave was a 6th grade basketball player. That player is my grandson and I will guarantee you the high school coach at Dowling has no idea who my grandson is.
Kids form friendships. Sometimes it really is that simple.
Have seen this way too many times. They should make a rule where if you scream in a legal hold while being turned. 3 points are awarded. REF still has all safety for the wrestler 1st with this rule as he stops it immediately.
Only other thing I have heard was from a REF. He would stop the match and ask if the kid wanted injury? If they said no, he would hit them for an un-sportsmans. This could also be a possible rule where the kid who screams, has to take injury. Make the injury rule in HS similar to college and the problem could be solved.
Had a kid I trained lose his shot at getting to county finals because while riding legs and running a Power Half, the "punk" screamed 3Xs while getting turned. REF has to stop it by rule, and he lost an extremely close match where any one of the turns would have won it!
The problem in todays world with the slam is. Once it is called, it is most likely out of the coaches hands. Back in the day, kid got slammed, as a coach, if I thought it was a bad call, but kid could not go on. We would have them do a quick start/stop of whistle, and FFT out. Obviously this would ONLY be done if we felt 100% that it was unintentional and our kid was no seriously hurt.
Years later, rules changed, as did the world. Here on LI, in NY, there was no more of this if you wanted to protect your ass!!! Most every match and tournament has a trainer. Once there is a slam, goes tor the kid and trainer. What they say, is absolutely how it will move forward. As a coach, you could easily lose your job if you had a kid do what I and many others use to do.
Could just be a parent thinking you made the kid look bad, or felt that the other kid was a jerk etc.... One call to an AD or Super of schools and you will be out the door! Had a head coach I work with lose his job mid-season for yelling at the kids and saying you are wrestling like (either fags or pussies) depending on who you got it from, I was not in that conversation so i can not say. This was a guy who coached for almost 30 years!
I would say, might be a situation where a REF gets to talk it over with a second REF when available. Not perfect I know but sometimes it may look bad at that very moment and he blows the whistle to stop it, then realizes OH sh*t, that was nothing.
I had kids called for a slam with a Lat drop!?!?!? Have never before or since seen this! My teams usually hit a good amount of throws. I know at least one POS coach who everyone ass kissed because of his reputation said something to officials about our kids. Got so bad one of my upper weights who threw everyone stopped using throws. No matter how I argued that a lat drop can not be considered a slam the way he did it. It did not make a difference. The way Kael and F*** st gets the calls reminds me so much of that coach!
I remember lots of messages on him few months ago, but I can't remember the reason why. Did he just get burnt out and decide to hang up the wrestling shoes for good? Also, think someone said he wants to try and become a Navy Seal or something like that. If that's the case, I wonder if he'll go to college at all or just enter into the military after high school. Either way, good for him. Stinks to see such a top rated kid decide to quit, but everyone needs to do what's best for them
The only reason to stop there was if they are confident he has a concussion and they need to do like college and stop the match and take whatever time is needed to confirm it before making a choice to not continue. The ref's bad call was where the problem started. If he doesn't call a slam does the kids coach think it's a good idea to walk away from the match? I'm guessing he is less enthusiastic about it in that scenario.
