If he plays(?) for Iowa one year and the scholly opens back up, why not give him a shot?
Iowa looking at grad transfer guard from Valpo...
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If he plays(?) for Iowa one year and the scholly opens back up, why not give him a shot?
New Mexico state is real guard heavy. Bakari may be one of their top players, maybe. But sharing time with so many others would not be good... It is about as bad as what Moss is going to run into at Arkansas. To much competition. Each team has 8 guards returning.
Iowa is down to 3 guards. That's scary low. Hope Fran can seal the deal on BE! Bring another one or two more would be great!
Iowa needs 1-2 more players for this season. I know Pemsl is going to be available and when he is he gives it his all, but his knee(s) have caused him trouble for years. Fran needs more bodies just in case Pemsl can't do it or someone else gets injured. What looked like a very promising year for 2019-2020 has quickly turned into a very questionable season.
And he probably didn't play as well as he had hoped, since he transferred after a year. Kind of my point.He already played in the B1G ... well, for Nebraska.
I think it is very clear to anyone who pays attention, that Fran is extremely picky about who he would accept as a transfer. They have to fit in with the team who is already here.
BTW, he was in the same recruiting class as Watson. After redshirting a year and seeing Watson play, I assume he wanted a better chance for minutes.
Yes, I have read about him. As I said before he is likely a good kid. In my view you bring in a transfer to bolster the team not to just fill space. I would like to think he could make us better and maybe he will but I just don't see it. I would love to be wrong about him.
Evelyn is certainly better than the walk-on guards, who could be called on if JBo isn't back or even if he is occasionally. We all seem to trust Fran's judgment about character, so there doesn't seem to be anything to lose. It is an empty scholarship otherwise, and I like getting someone who is likely to hold his own, even if only asked to be the fourth or fifth guard off the bench.
Our depth at guard is so limited we really just need a couple of bodies for the first time since Little Lick played his 84 minutes ten years ago .
Then again, to quote Kevin McHale "I'm 30 years old. You'd have to have cancer or something if you couldn't play 45 minutes of basketball two or three times a week." That video never got old....but VHS technology did. Maybe C McC and Joey W are ready to go about 35 minutes in the Big Ten games.
Then again, to quote Kevin McHale "I'm 30 years old. You'd have to have cancer or something if you couldn't play 45 minutes of basketball two or three times a week." That video never got old....but VHS technology did. Maybe C McC and Joey W are ready to go about 35 minutes in the Big Ten games.
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Fran doesn't have the luxury of being picky. Grades, character,etc., yes be picky. A "fit" would be someone capable of defending, creating their own shot, dribble-drive and dish / score. Not sure how niche that is. Given we have seen lack of talent and depth at the guard spots for 9 years I think it is safe to say a serviceable guard capable of doing of 1 of 3 above would be a fit.
Are you really wanting to roll the dice on two totally unproven players in Touissant and Frederick + Connor and his extremely limited offensive game? There will be "I Miss Maishe" threads if Fran doesn't add somebody to mitigate the loss of Bohannon.
Agree with you main point of not being picky with any late grad transfer addition, but it is unfair to say Fran hasn't had talent at guard. Marble Jr., Jok, Gesell, Sapp (on one end), JBo (on the other end), all have had talent. We are still waiting for the second coming of Ronnie Lester or Freddie Brown, but those guys could play.
I agree with Houston here. Iowa doesn't need bodies just to take up space. And I do think the staff reaches out to a lot of grad transfers who just politely decline for one reason or another. I hope Iowa can get someone like Evelyn who can come in and contribute right away, someone who has the potential to push for starting or at least major minutes.
Boys, the guard depletion has created a bit of desperation. Almost anyone that has started somewhere else could provide at least a few minutes a game or play in a pinch without losing their mind.
Not sure we'd want to commit two seasons or more to just anybody. Next season, with more than one available scholly, the team cannot really be hurt with a failed transfer gamble. No fan of transfers but this season is an exception to the rule.
Not sure we'd want to commit two seasons or more to just anybody. Next season, with more than one available scholly, the team cannot really be hurt with a failed transfer gamble. No fan of transfers but this season is an exception to the rule.
The fact we recruited him out of H.S. there probably is already a good feel?
"Accepts " indicates interest from the other side. Fran isn't turning down transfers.
I would take another Dean Oliver, Jeff Horner, or Andre Woolridge any day of the week.
Good points but Fran came in here talking about great guard play. 9 years and I would say he would get a C relative to the talent other teams have and this includes mid-majors. I don't think a Dean Oliver type guard is too high of a bar to set for Fran to land.
I liked Oliver and would gladly take his clone on the current team, but it is debatable whether DeanO was a better PG than Gesell or even Marble Jr. Bottom line is that adding Evelyn could help a lot next year, especially if JBo isn't ready. If it is a choice between getting him or having an empty scholarship, it is a no brainer.
If you were drafting an Iowa team and had your choice of Mikey G, Dev or Dean I'm betting would be the pick about 90 times out of 100 at point guard.
Dean and Andre were the best point guards in the last 30 years. They not only made a ton of big plays they kept the rest of the team working on offense. Jeff Horner, Mike and Jordan are the next tier but I think there's a pretty big jump from 2 (Dean) to 3 through 5.
Dean and Andre were the best point guards in the last 30 years. They not only made a ton of big plays they kept the rest of the team working on offense. Jeff Horner, Mike and Jordan are the next tier but I think there's a pretty big jump from 2 (Dean) to 3 through 5.
Obviously I do. I personally liked them both. Both had very good assist:turnover numbers. Neither was a great shooter. Both played good defense. Both were on winning, but not highly successful teams. I would rate them both as above-average, but not great PGs. Is any of that inaccurate?
No, it's not debatable. Oliver was a better point guard.
Playing devil's advocate, based on what, your opinion?
Gesell got vilified on this board because he couldn't successfully execute Fran's stupid strategy to hold the ball until the end of the shot clock in close games with the other four guys really doing nothing until the last 10 sec of the shot clock. That usually put Mike in a position of breaking down the defense and scoring in the last few sec, which was definitely not his strength. I blame Fran for that lack of success a lot more than I blame Gesell, and think we should have kept running the offense that got us into a position to win and trust the defense. I am not arguing that Mike was better than Dean, just taking exception to those who seem to believe that the guards during Fran's era have sucked. I am not going to research specifics, but I think Dean and Mike had pretty similar statistics in their careers, and the teams also had similar success.
I don't think Mike sucked. He wasn't a good shooter but he was athletic and contributed a lot to the team's success. IIRC, Mike ended his career as Iowa's all-time assist leader. So, yes, I think Gesell was a decent player.
It's just my opinion that Oliver was a better all-around point guard. And he is the last point guard to take Iowa to the Sweet 16.
Oliver was damn good.
Just my opinion, but there’s no debating Oliver was better than Gesell. This is coming from someone who loved watching Gesell play and I don’t believe I’ve ever posted a negative word about him.
Oliver took lesser Iowa teams to greater heights. A sweet sixteen and B1G tournament championship. That’s not a dig at Gesell, but more of a credit to Oliver. Plus almost every stat favors Oliver except fg% and assists. Gesell has a better fg% by about .10% and assists by about 2 /game.
Ppg, rebs, 3pt%, ft%, FT and FTA, and steals all belong to Oliver. Some stats are pretty similar but Oliver is noticeably ahead in ppg.
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