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Iowa / Rutgers PBP

Of course I’m not the only one who knows the rules. Several others posted it as well. I was watching the meet with a college ref of 10+ years and he agreed whole heartedly with the call. Refs most definitely are not taught to only look at feet on the edge, especially in a scoring situation. The official called by the book and exactly as they are taught. Sorry that you’re a completely clueless imbecile. Not my fault.
Ok so you and the ref you were sitting with were wrong agree to disagree and if im clueless you are the biggest ignorant pompous ass there was or ever will be. Go Hawks
 
My comment was on another level?

You don't see any outcome of the Iowa team I mentioned winning a title this year? Of course OSU and PSU would still be the favorites. I don't get the insistence that there is no chance Iowa could win this year.

Yes. Your initial comment was that Iowa was a championship team then your next post said there isn’t a high possibility of Iowa winning the NCAA title.
 
Ok I'm old lol can someone explain to me how after all the talk in Bull's match they put the score 2-2?
1st period ending 2-1 Ruthers , Bull escape so 2-2 , then he gets takedown so 4-2 and then Lewis tries to escape they out of bounds then throw the brick...Bull got screwed out of 2 points IMO should maybe not even gone overtime. If Ruthers had a point coming it should have been 4-3 not 2-2 have to watch replay.
They waved off the takedown.
 
Ok so you and the ref you were sitting with were wrong agree to disagree and if im clueless you are the biggest ignorant pompous ass there was or ever will be. Go Hawks

I stated people should learn the rules. Are you saying people should not learn the rules and just continue spouting off about what they do not know? Then you flipped out on me over it and you keep telling me I’m wrong. How can I be wrong when the rules are clearly stated? Why should we “agree to disagree”? This isn’t a matter of opinion. Wrong is wrong.

https://www.ncaapublications.com/p-...s-and-interpretations-2-year-publication.aspx

“For the purpose of awarding takedown points at the edge of the wrestling area, points shall be awarded when control is established while any part of either wrestler remains in bounds. (See Illustration Nos. 43 through 49.) If the opponent’s body and the body of the wrestler attempting a takedown are outside the wrestling area, breaking the boundary of an imaginary cylinder surrounding and extending above the wrestling area and the opponent is out of bounds, a takedown shall not be awarded.”

 
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Sounds like the Hawks beat the Scarlet Knights, Mr. McCormick, the timers, and the Jersey fans. Good thing they were rasslin' in a high school gym or they would have had more people to beat. We (the realists among us anyway) got called whiners this week. What's that make the Rutgers coaches then? Do have to give them credit though, they've learned how to throw the brick when they need a lung timeout.
I respect you, TNT, and I don't consider you a whiner at all, but there's a big difference between a realist and a whiner. I think we all understand that if we're being honest. And there's been a lot of whining on the board lately. Over the top negativity to the point that it's just counterproductive. I'm all for realism, but beating a dead horse of negativity to the point that it turns to glue serves no purpose except to turn people off. And while it may not make or break recruiting, I have no doubt that recruits and their parents do read the board, and it certainly can't be helpful.
 
Yes. Your initial comment was that Iowa was a championship team then your next post said there isn’t a high possibility of Iowa winning the NCAA title.

Sorry I should have specified championship "CALIBER" team. Didn't think people would interpret that comment as Iowa 100% wins NCAAs this year.
 
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I actually liked Telford announcing better than Ironside. Ironside is a passionate Hawkeye, so you gotta appreciate his perspective and devotion to hawkeye wrestling, but he is over the top a bit for my taste with his announcing and comes across too negative. He's still in that mentality that every hawkeye wrestler should be NCAA championship caliber and be able to win every match. Its ridiculous to have those expectations for everyone in the line-up. For example, Stickley is basically a walk-on true freshman and he's obviously overmatched but he's working hard and doing his best. Telford praised the hard work of Stickley. You can't expect a walk-on true freshman to beat #2 Suriano. I was pleased that he avoided getting pinned.
I respect Mark and all that he's done for the program, but I wouldn't have any problem at all with some new blood at the mic doing color commentary.
 
Kyle Snyder injured Stoll - it was a meaningless match/meet. What are you thinking? Iowa could have used more than zero points - at 285 at NCAAs? Do I have to draw pictures for everyone here?

You don’t have to draw a picture of anything. A link to a story about, or video of this Stoll/Snyder match would be enough. Let us know.
 
Kyle Snyder injured Stoll - it was a meaningless match/meet. What are you thinking? Iowa could have used more than zero points - at 285 at NCAAs? Do I have to draw pictures for everyone here?

I hate to break it to you but Stoll has never wrestled Snyder. Don’t draw anymore pictures.
 
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Crazy how we're seemingly solid in the middle weights + Stoll on the back end but so poor in the light weights. Of course Lee will solve 125 next year but 133 and 141 are up in the air.
Murin will have something to say about 141. And I suppose we can hope for some development from Carter and Vince. Don't have any answers for 33 at the moment, I'm afraid.
 
I stated people should learn the rules. Are you saying people should not learn the rules and just continue spouting off about what they do not know? Then you flipped out on me over it and you keep telling me I’m wrong. How can I be wrong when the rules are clearly stated? Why should we “agree to disagree”? This isn’t a matter of opinion. Wrong is wrong.

https://www.ncaapublications.com/p-...s-and-interpretations-2-year-publication.aspx

“For the purpose of awarding takedown points at the edge of the wrestling area, points shall be awarded when control is established while any part of either wrestler remains in bounds. (See Illustration Nos. 43 through 49.) If the opponent’s body and the body of the wrestler attempting a takedown are outside the wrestling area, breaking the boundary of an imaginary cylinder surrounding and extending above the wrestling area and the opponent is out of bounds, a takedown shall not be awarded.”
I stated people should learn the rules. Are you saying people should not learn the rules and just continue spouting off about what they do not know? Then you flipped out on me over it and you keep telling me I’m wrong. How can I be wrong when the rules are clearly stated? Why should we “agree to disagree”? This isn’t a matter of opinion. Wrong is wrong.

https://www.ncaapublications.com/p-...s-and-interpretations-2-year-publication.aspx

“For the purpose of awarding takedown points at the edge of the wrestling area, points shall be awarded when control is established while any part of either wrestler remains in bounds. (See Illustration Nos. 43 through 49.) If the opponent’s body and the body of the wrestler attempting a takedown are outside the wrestling area, breaking the boundary of an imaginary cylinder surrounding and extending above the wrestling area and the opponent is out of bounds, a takedown shall not be awarded.”
yes I stated the rule earlier but it does not dispute that in most cases that would have been called out simplely put. But you can win this one if you must
 
Murin will have something to say about 141. And I suppose we can hope for some development from Carter and Vince. Don't have any answers for 33 at the moment, I'm afraid.

I think both can but there has to be a decision made it their mentality. The light bulb has to turn on...some guys make that leap from good to really good but right now, it's going to come down to who wants to shoot and score.
 
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You don’t have to draw a picture of anything. A link to a story about, or video of this Stoll/Snyder match would be enough. Let us know.
I was not correct about the opponent - I understand it was Gwiz. Cheers you win the internet!
 
yes I stated the rule earlier but it does not dispute that in most cases that would have been called out simplely put. But you can win this one if you must

Sure...and had they called them out, Tom probably would have lost a challenge. Since it was a challenge, all of it has to be considered and like football, has to be irreversible proof. The feet definitely went out...but did his all of his body? But I want to talk about how the kid outright dove for out of bounds.
 
Murin will have something to say about 141. And I suppose we can hope for some development from Carter and Vince. Don't have any answers for 33 at the moment, I'm afraid.

Yea, would love to see Max at some open tournaments with quality competition . I guess as Hawk fans we've been spoiled when it comes to the light weights. Though 141 has has been a tad of an issue for a while.
 
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Kyle Snyder injured Stoll - it was a meaningless match/meet. What are you thinking? Iowa could have used more than zero points - at 285 at NCAAs? Do I have to draw pictures for everyone here?

I see some people have already pointed it out, but I want to back them up; It was Gwiz that injured Stoll initially, and the match was not over. If Stoll had pulled that match out, we would have won the dual (although he might have needed bonus, I don't remember for sure). He was healthy to that point, so there was no reason to sit him that meet, he was not nursing a knee. Last year he reinjured it against Ok. St. (Marsden?) in pretty much the same situation. He has never wrestled Snyder.

Edit - as I was typing you admitted your error. Don't mean to pile on.
 
I was not correct about the opponent - I understand it was Gwiz. Cheers you win the internet!

Ok. I don’t know how a chance to get better, make a statement and improve a seed at nationals is pointless but that’s a matter of opinion I suppose.
 
Sure...and had they called them out, Tom probably would have lost a challenge. Since it was a challenge, all of it has to be considered and like football, has to be irreversible proof. The feet definitely went out...but did his all of his body? But I want to talk about how the kid outright dove for out of bounds.
Yep and as you and I stated def Fleeing I guess the refs dont always call by the rules.
 
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I see some people have already pointed it out, but I want to back them up; It was Gwiz that injured Stoll initially, and the match was not over. If Stoll had pulled that match out, we would have won the dual (although he might have needed bonus, I don't remember for sure). He was healthy to that point, so there was no reason to sit him that meet, he was not nursing a knee. Last year he reinjured it against Ok. St. (Marsden?) in pretty much the same situation. He has never wrestled Snyder.

Edit - as I was typing you admitted your error. Don't mean to pile on.
no worries - you are what you are
 
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