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This week the Cyclones come to Iowa City for a big
test for the young Hawkeyes. If the Hawks do not
play defense, then the game will be over at halftime.
However, if the Hawkeyes who played Notre Dame
tough in the first half can get serious about defending
the Cyclones, then we will have a good game.
 
LuteHawk said:
This week the Cyclones come to Iowa City for a big
test for the young Hawkeyes. If the Hawks do not
play defense, then the game will be over at halftime.
However, if the Hawkeyes who played Notre Dame
tough in the first half can get serious about defending
the Cyclones, then we will have a good game.
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Just play D and start to trust teammates. No expectations about outcome.
 
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It's going to be a career night for 2, possibly 3 Cyclones. They will put a ton of pressure on our guards and live in Jok's jersey. Could be another UVA type performance. Athletically this will be like Princeton vs. Kentucky.
 
I expect a loss to lil bro, but I expect it to be in the mold of the Notre Dame loss rather than the Virginia loss.
They have never been scary defensively but will obviously do what they can to take Jok out of the game. We'll see if anyone else can step up enough to keep it close.
 
wyohawk said:
I expect a loss to lil bro, but I expect it to be in the mold of the Notre Dame loss rather than the Virginia loss.
They have never been scary defensively but will obviously do what they can to take Jok out of the game. We'll see if anyone else can step up enough to keep it close.
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ISU has played extremely well on defense this season. On the other hand, they are damned near last in the nation on three-point shooting. Despite all the same faces, this team is much different from last year's.
 
Imho this will be a ugly game for iowa. Clones take out some frustration on their big brother.
 
Iowa State has quicker, more athletic and experienced players vs. our young, inexperienced team. Definitely our biggest loss between now and BIG play. Barring a miracle, how could it be otherwise?
 
There's no pressure on Iowa. It is the inverse of football - just expect a loss but know you can annoy the hell out of your ISU friends if the Hawks somehow win. If there were only 12 basketball games I'd even call this our super bowl.
 
Lone Clone said:
ISU has played extremely well on defense this season. On the other hand, they are damned near last in the nation on three-point shooting. Despite all the same faces, this team is much different from last year's.
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Mostly same faces.... Niang's graduation has clearly impacted the Cyclones offense. They are presently struggling to fit the returning and new pieces together without Georges. The good news is the defense has been very good to excellent for the most part. Thursday's game will be interesting. I had figured that Cook and Young being out balanced out the post play. Pemsl's recent play is now a big X-factor. ISU is going to have trouble with him. Holden will foul out in less that 15 minutes of court time. Bowie isn't big enough to counter Pemsl either. I think ISU's guard court will be the difference, but this could well be a dogfight.
 
Ollie4ISU said:
Mostly same faces.... Niang's graduation has clearly impacted the Cyclones offense. They are presently struggling to fit the returning and new pieces together without Georges. The good news is the defense has been very good to excellent for the most part. Thursday's game will be interesting. I had figured that Cook and Young being out balanced out the post play. Pemsl's recent play is now a big X-factor. ISU is going to have trouble with him. Holden will foul out in less that 15 minutes of court time. Bowie isn't big enough to counter Pemsl either. I think ISU's guard court will be the difference, but this could well be a dogfight.
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In other words you think Iowa State is bad too? Iowa could win, because they have to play the game and somebody has to win. That said, they haven't shown that is likely against, well, anybody. And Iowa has choked away enough games against Iowa State recently when we had what we thought was a relatively "good" team, which is clearly not the case at the moment.

Historically bad Defense isn't going to cure itself overnight. I think it's safe to say its going to be a problem all year and maybe longer (we'll probably hold somebody under 90 one of these days - but they'll have to miss a lot of layups for that to happen.........). Not like we're old and graduating a bunch of poor defensive players (Jok is poor defensively, but that's a pimple on an elephants ass at this point).

I think most people would be stunned if Iowa State doesn't cruise in the 2nd half of this one. But I'll watch and hope the young Hawks can pull one out.
 
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wyohawk said:
I expect a loss to lil bro, but I expect it to be in the mold of the Notre Dame loss rather than the Virginia loss.
They have never been scary defensively but will obviously do what they can to take Jok out of the game. We'll see if anyone else can step up enough to keep it close.
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It will suck to lose to little bro for the 7th time in 8 years!
 
As a Hawkeye fan, I want the Iowa/Iowa St. game to
be competitive and not a blow out on our home court.
Coach Fran should pull players off the court if they are
not giving it 100%. Hustle, positioning, communication,
are all part of a good defense. Sometimes it is more
mental than physical.
 
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In other words you think Iowa State is bad too? Iowa could win, because they have to play the game and somebody has to win. That said, they haven't shown that is likely against, well, anybody. And Iowa has choked away enough games against Iowa State recently when we had what we thought was a relatively "good" team, which is clearly not the case at them moment.

Historically bad Defense isn't going to cure itself overnight. I think it's safe to say its going to be a problem all year and maybe longer (we'll probably hold somebody under 90 one of these days - but they'll have to miss a lot of layups for that to happen.........). Not like we're old and graduating a bunch of poor defensive players (Jok is poor defensively, but that's a pimple on an elephants ass at this point).

I think most people would be stunned if Iowa State doesn't cruise in the 2nd half of this one. But I'll watch and hope the young Hawks can pull one out.
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I don't think ISU is "bad", I think a rivalry game at Iowa could be close game. I think ISU should win the game handily, but there are holes in ISU's game right now that could be exploited by Iowa. I don't necessarily expect it to happen, but Pemsl can be a huge thorn is ISU's side. Bohannon could play lights out and add to Pemsl. Jok will likely get his. If Iowa State doesn't focus, it could easily be a "dogfight". Iowa State has virtually no post depth. Pemsl has shown early flashes in a spot where ISU has no counter.
 
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Kinky F said:
It will suck to lose to little bro for the 7th time in 8 years!
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A good run, to be sure, and enough to at least make a visible dent in the all-time record, which Iowa still leads 43-26.

But I'm more interested in Iowa's bowl matchup at this point.
 
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Barometer? It's one game against a superior opponent, of which they've already had several.
They may make a better showing, as they did for a good portion of the nd game. Or, they may get blown out.
Expect a loss. More poor rebounding and absence of defense. Be pleasantly surprised if those improve.
 
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Pepperman said:
There's no pressure on Iowa. It is the inverse of football - just expect a loss but know you can annoy the hell out of your ISU friends if the Hawks somehow win. If there were only 12 basketball games I'd even call this our super bowl.
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It's your Final Four.
 
Ollie4ISU said:
Mostly same faces.... Niang's graduation has clearly impacted the Cyclones offense. They are presently struggling to fit the returning and new pieces together without Georges. The good news is the defense has been very good to excellent for the most part. Thursday's game will be interesting. I had figured that Cook and Young being out balanced out the post play. Pemsl's recent play is now a big X-factor. ISU is going to have trouble with him. Holden will foul out in less that 15 minutes of court time. Bowie isn't big enough to counter Pemsl either. I think ISU's guard court will be the difference, but this could well be a dogfight.
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Yeah, I was thinking of the guards vis-a-vis three-pointers. Obviously, Niang's absence in itself makes this team radically different.
 
Ollie4ISU said:
Mostly same faces.... Niang's graduation has clearly impacted the Cyclones offense. They are presently struggling to fit the returning and new pieces together without Georges. The good news is the defense has been very good to excellent for the most part. Thursday's game will be interesting. I had figured that Cook and Young being out balanced out the post play. Pemsl's recent play is now a big X-factor. ISU is going to have trouble with him. Holden will foul out in less that 15 minutes of court time. Bowie isn't big enough to counter Pemsl either. I think ISU's guard court will be the difference, but this could well be a dogfight.
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The other side of that coin is that Pemsl will have a hard time with Burton. As will most Iowa post players. Burton has a really impressive post game for a 6'4 guy. Pemsl could get in early foul trouble if he has to guard him.
 
Iowa is going to lose, but this ISU team is a big step down from the last few years. If I was an ISU fan I don't know how confident I would be in what I've seen from Prohm so far.
 
33hawkfan said:
Iowa is going to lose, but this ISU team is a big step down from the last few years. If I was an ISU fan I don't know how confident I would be in what I've seen from Prohm so far.
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If so, you would be one of those ISU fans who don't remember UAB, among other things. Fred wasn't faultless.
 
Lone Clone said:
If so, you would be one of those ISU fans who don't remember UAB, among other things. Fred wasn't faultless.
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Upsets happen, ISU was what a three or four seed that year? Think they will be that high of a seed this year? How about next year with an entirely new starting lineup?
 
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If so, you would be one of those ISU fans who don't remember UAB, among other things. Fred wasn't faultless.
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I think the end of game scenarios for ISU this year, remind me of ours that last couple years, with Gessell dribbling around and taking a bad shot.
 
33hawkfan said:
Upsets happen, ISU was what a three or four seed that year? Think they will be that high of a seed this year? How about next year with an entirely new starting lineup?
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No, they will struggle worse next year losing 5 Senior starters. Gonna be interesting without Morris.
 
33hawkfan said:
Iowa is going to lose, but this ISU team is a big step down from the last few years. If I was an ISU fan I don't know how confident I would be in what I've seen from Prohm so far.
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I've heard this line from Hawks a few time recently, and I don't get it. Prohm may or may not work out, but he's only in his 2nd year coming off a Sweet 16 last year, and he's dealing with the fallout of the previous coach not recruiting any quality four year guys for the last couple of years. He's got a heck of recruiting class coming in next year though (4* PG, for starters), so the future looks bright. How confident are you in your coach?
 
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I love how so many Clone act like all seven of those victories were blow outs, when in reality, the last two in Ames were basically hand wrapped gifts.
 
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flynnhicks03 said:
I've heard this line from Hawks a few time recently, and I don't get it. Prohm may or may not work out, but he's only in his 2nd year coming off a Sweet 16 last year, and he's dealing with the fallout of the previous coach not recruiting any quality four year guys for the last couple of years. He's got a heck of recruiting class coming in next year though (4* PG, for starters), so the future looks bright. How confident are you in your coach?
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It's pretty simple. I don't think he's a very good game coach at all. ISU has a lot better pieces than Iowa and your offense is pretty much one pick and roll and then one on one play from what I've seen this year. Taking over a team returning multiple All-Conference players and leading them to a 10-8 conference record and 23-12 record last year wasn't some super accomplishment to me. You played the RPI game right last year though so got a higher seed and lucked out with the tournament draw. Don't see any way ISU is higher than a 7 seed this year unless you go something like 13-5 or better in the B12.
 
Cydkar said:
Recruits certainly are. I'm guessing the barnburner in '86 doesn't really matter to them.
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As far as highschool recruits go, as bad as our '14 and '15 recruiting classes are concerned, I'd take them over ISU's at this point. Isu's only guy remaining from those is Simeon Carter who doesn't even contribute. ISU and Iowa finished neck and neck last year in the recruiting rankings, per 247, at 38th and 39th. ISU pulled in the (125, 231, and 145(not playing yet, but almost has his name down, so he should be eligible second semester) ranked guys), Iowa pulled in (72, 232, 299, 304, and 355). Looks right now, that Iowa may have pulled in the better class based off a small sample size so far, with Pemsl and Bohannen playing better than anyone thought and certainly exceeding those rankings.

ISU is a little ahead of Iowa this year(53, 115, and 232) Iowa (109, 158, and 200), but Iowa already has the #35th ranked guy locked up for 2018 and likely the #113 the year after, while ISU doesn't have anything yet. I'm not sure what recruits you are referring though. Wiggington looks like a stud though.
 
flynnhicks03 said:
I've heard this line from Hawks a few time recently, and I don't get it. Prohm may or may not work out, but he's only in his 2nd year coming off a Sweet 16 last year, and he's dealing with the fallout of the previous coach not recruiting any quality four year guys for the last couple of years. He's got a heck of recruiting class coming in next year though (4* PG, for starters), so the future looks bright. How confident are you in your coach?
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He got to the sweet 16 in a year where many/most ISU fans predicted final fours/elite eights, and lost control of Mckay for a good portion of the year. He was handed a goldmine last year. Great job I guess.
 
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He got to the sweet 16 in a year where many/most ISU fans predicted final fours/elite eights, and lost control of Mckay for a good portion of the year. He was handed a goldmine last year. Great job I guess.
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Also couldn't/wouldn't play Hallice Cooke, who is a legit P5 bench guy, instead choosing to play Jordan Ashton who teams just ignored offensively.
 
relishingwinning18 said:
As far as highschool recruits go, as bad as our '14 and '15 recruiting classes are concerned, I'd take them over ISU's at this point. Isu's only guy remaining from those is Simeon Carter who doesn't even contribute. ISU and Iowa finished neck and neck last year in the recruiting rankings, per 247, at 38th and 39th. ISU pulled in the (125, 231, and 145(not playing yet, but almost has his name down, so he should be eligible second semester) ranked guys), Iowa pulled in (72, 232, 299, 304, and 355). Looks right now, that Iowa may have pulled in the better class based off a small sample size so far, with Pemsl and Bohannen playing better than anyone thought and certainly exceeding those rankings.

ISU is a little ahead of Iowa this year(53, 115, and 232) Iowa (109, 158, and 200), but Iowa already has the #35th ranked guy locked up for 2018 and likely the #113 the year after, while ISU doesn't have anything yet. I'm not sure what recruits you are referring though. Wiggington looks like a stud though.
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I don't think you can say Iowa's guys are contributing more this year therefore it is a better class. The reason they are contributing more is because Iowa has a worse team. If Young and Long were starting on a bad team you don't know how much they would be doing.
 
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I don't think you can say Iowa's guys are contributing more this year therefore it is a better class. The reason they are contributing more is because Iowa has a worse team. If Young and Long were starting on a bad team you don't know how much they would be doing.
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It's like you chose not to read this..."Looks right now, that Iowa may have pulled in the better class based off a small sample size so far, with Pemsl and Bohannen playing better than anyone thought and certainly exceeding those rankings."
Cook was the best recruit in either class, and what Pemsl and Bohannen have showed make this very easy to say Iowa's class, is better than 3 guys, none of whom are contributing at the present moment. Pemsl and Bohannen are more than "contributing" right now, lol.

Who knows if Lard will even play, the guy is struggling at grades at Juco. How is he going to even maintain at ISU? Young might be ok, didn't jump off the page when he was playing, and he's going to get his chance on a pretty weak frontcourt team. Long, who knows. I bet ISU fans would trade Young/Long for Pemsl right about now though. They might not admit it on here, but I bet they would.

Let's be honest, none of us know where any of these guys will be in 3 years, all we have to go on, is what they've shown on the court. Iowa's currently looks better, that's it.
 
33hawkfan said:
Iowa is going to lose, but this ISU team is a big step down from the last few years. If I was an ISU fan I don't know how confident I would be in what I've seen from Prohm so far.
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And what should us Iowa fans feel about Fran so far?
 
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