This isn’t possible in Iowa to my knowledge. They may rotate specialists but there is no way they put all iep students in one building.
I would be shocked if that was the case as well.
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This isn’t possible in Iowa to my knowledge. They may rotate specialists but there is no way they put all iep students in one building.
If they put an income limit on the voucher would that make it better?Indiana has led the way in choice vouchers for over a decade. The original premise was it would allow poor kids from failing schools a choice of a better school. Today most of those vouchers go to middle class and upper middle class families where the kids never attended public school and reside in very good public school districts. Heck, a family of 4 with a household income of nearly $180k can get a voucher.
The Diocese of Fort Wayne-South Bend was able to embark on a huge capital building campaign after vouchers were passed. The majority of those projects were on the religious buildings (churches, fellowship halls, clergy housing) and not their schools.
I haven’t followed the Iowa bill, but the school choice movement is not about improving schools.
I just thought of this.......and this may be where the disconnect is coming from. When I speak of Special Needs, I am talking about those kids that have behavior disabilities. All Schools in our district (including our Catholic Grade School) have programs for kids who need extra learning help, but do not have behavior issues.
Both Behavior and learning issues can now be classified as disorders instead of disabilities.Behavior isn’t a disability. Kids who need extra learning help aren’t all special Ed.
You consistently show you know very little about education and how it works.You are just making that up. They would still need to compete for students.
Or he picks a block that fits his narrative. But Chicago!!!JFC, @Pinehawk and his "if it's happening on my block it's happening everywhere" stance on pretty much every topic ever.
You have students on 504 plans or with IEPs at that school?I just thought of this.......and this may be where the disconnect is coming from. When I speak of Special Needs, I am talking about those kids that have behavior disabilities. All Schools in our district (including our Catholic Grade School) have programs for kids who need extra learning help, but do not have behavior issues.
Are we sure about this? When I taught BD it was classified as a disability. Pretty positive because I had to answer questions from the state when parents were requesting state money for their disabled child.Behavior isn’t a disability. Kids who need extra learning help aren’t all special Ed.
You have students on 504 plans or with IEPs at that school?
Are we sure about this? When I taught BD it was classified as a disability. Pretty positive because I had to answer questions from the state when parents were requesting state money for their disabled child.
So parents were acquiring state funds due to a disorder? Again, it’s been awhile since I taught sped but I’m pretty sure it was considered a disability. I remember not wanting to answer the state’s questions because I said, “Why should our tax dollars go to a mom who created this problem by smoking crack when she was pregnant with James?” And yes, many of these kids had learning issues as well.Purely behavior issues aren’t a disability. Children with emotional or learning disabilities can have behavior issues.
My wife is a primary level special education teacher. She constantly deals with regular Ed classroom teachers who are trying to offload behavior issues to special Ed so they don’t have to deal with it.
I believe most districts do this. They all can accommodate many firms of special needs but severe and profound need children are probably sent to a central location where specialized staff is there to work with them.If your district is sending all of your special needs kids to one building AND offering zero services at the rest of their buildings, they are likely violating Least Restrictive Environment rules and are doing a disservice to you community.
No sir, the only school that has 504 plans or IEP's is our newest district building. This is where the kids get transportation to who need that specialized help. Our Catholic grade school provides volunteers tutors for kids who need some extra help, but are not on 504 plans or IEP's.You have students on 504 plans or with IEPs at that school?
It is Tom. My niece is BD and she is classified as disabled.Are we sure about this? When I taught BD it was classified as a disability. Pretty positive because I had to answer questions from the state when parents were requesting state money for their disabled child.
Not true.....He doesn’t know or understand what he is talking about.
I believe most districts do this. They all can accommodate many firms of special needs but severe and profound need children are probably sent to a central location where specialized staff is there to work with them.
Not much different than special needs folks in any community. Most can be handled satisfactorily in a home or group home setting with family or other special needs folks and staff. The more seveekynand profound handicapped require a soeciak setting abs/or living condition.
It is Tom. My niece is BD and she is classified as disabled.
That makes sense...Thanks.This may be an Indiana vs Iowa difference. We are classifying very few if any kids who only have behavior issues as disabled. And it is not an expressly funded exceptionally in Indiana.
I feel like everyone skipped over the fact that Iowa public schools are ranked almost last in the nation. Something needs to change. The status quo is a failure.
I honestly hope they shelve this here in Iowa. Too many concerns with it at this point.A study of Indiana’s voucher program has proven to not improve academic performance. However, feel free to try it.
As have others in Ohio.A study of Indiana’s voucher program has proven to not improve academic performance. However, feel free to try it.
No way this fits the least restrictive environment part of an iep.There is a difference between sending all your special needs kids to one location and consolidating your highest need kids to deliver the best services possible.
Kids with a speech development delay are classified as special Ed, but if you’re sending them to a centralized location, that’s asinine.
I hope they do.A study of Indiana’s voucher program has proven to not improve academic performance. However, feel free to try it.
Indiana’s public schools are ranked far ahead of Iowa’s. If there is a failure, it is Iowa’s current system.Good money thrown at a failed program.
The voucher system has little to do with those rankings. Vouchers benefit private schools.Indiana’s public schools are ranked far ahead of Iowa’s. If there is a failure, it is Iowa’s current system.
In Cedar Rapids they have Metro which is for students with behavioral “disorders”. In our school district in Minnesota all the kids with learning disabilities such as downs attend a certain school where they have specialists.This isn’t possible in Iowa to my knowledge. They may rotate specialists but there is no way they put all iep students in one building.
Vouchers benefit families ability to choose the school situation that best fits their needs.The voucher system has little to do with those rankings. Vouchers benefit private schools.
There are levels of learning disabilities. Most are spending the majority of their time in a regular classroom with support from specialists. Very few if any spend the majority of time in special education classroom. As @stout1 mentioned, students with learning/behavioral/medical/etc. issues are required to be taught in the least restrictive environment. We no longer have "special ed" students taught behind closed doors down the hall.In Cedar Rapids they have Metro which is for students with behavioral “disorders”. In our school district in Minnesota all the kids with learning disabilities such as downs attend a certain school where they have specialists.
Vouchers benefit families ability to choose the school situation that best fits their needs.
It appears that approach might be lowering the quality of education for everyone.
Iowa used to be known for great schools. New approach, now we’re almost last in public school education.
If that’s the case then I disagree with it if they are a distraction for other students. If a para is having to jump in to keep that child in check then that’s a distraction for the others.There are levels of learning disabilities. Most are spending the majority of their time in a regular classroom with support from specialists. Very few if any spend the majority of time in special education classroom. As @stout1 mentioned, students with learning/behavioral/medical/etc. issues are required to be taught in the least restrictive environment. We no longer have "special ed" students taught behind closed doors down the hall.
This isn’t even remotely close to being true. Stop lying. It’s pathetic. Like I said, you don’t know shit about education in Iowa. You just front. It’s nonsense.I feel like everyone skipped over the fact that Iowa public schools are ranked almost last in the nation. Something needs to change. The status quo is a failure.
In what category? Overall they rank about 15-20ish. Standardized test wise they are top 5ish.I feel like everyone skipped over the fact that Iowa public schools are ranked almost last in the nation. Something needs to change. The status quo is a failure.
He just makes up bullshit. Flip flops around to fit his false narratives.In what category? Overall they rank about 15-20ish. Standardized test wise they are top 5ish.
These may have changed a little here and there as I know that was as of a couple years ago, but I doubt much.
Last? According to whom? And if Iowa is last, it is totally on Iowa’s Republican politics and their funding mechanism. A few years ago, Iowa schools abs Wisconsin schools were ranked #1 and #2 nationally. Pine…I seriously doubt your statement here. Maybe in “your” circles Iowa education is as poor as you say…. But you cannot prove it simply by saying so.It appears that approach might be lowering the quality of education for everyone.
Iowa used to be known for great schools. New approach, now we’re almost last in public school education.
It's a federal law for public schools.If that’s the case then I disagree with it if they are a distraction for other students. If a para is having to jump in to keep that child in check then that’s a distraction for the others.
Exactly.....this is the same in our district.In Cedar Rapids they have Metro which is for students with behavioral “disorders”. In our school district in Minnesota all the kids with learning disabilities such as downs attend a certain school where they have specialists.