Guyton will be a key player next year as will Mallegni. It doesn’t make sense they would transfer but I know anything is possible.
Iowa WBB 2025 Recruiting Thread
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Is the title to that article you're referencing something like, Beth Goetz needs to fix Iowa basketball's math problem?
If not, can you give out whatever you feel comfortable doing to find that article?
That's the one. The focus is mostly MBB, but gives some good info on the revenue sharing with other programs. I then found this website, which has estimates that either match or are in the ballpark of Chad's.
FWIW, doing some math combining Chad's numbers with the estimates, I would expect Iowa WBB's pot to be quite a bit better than the website average.
Right now my baseline assumption is McCabe, Feuerbach, Stuelke, and Heiden start. The first three already do, and Heiden is almost certainly going to. That leaves the last spot for Guyton or Deal and I think Deal gets it.
I could see a world where Guyton has a great off-season and beats out McCabe at the 2, but I think that's far less than 50%.
Reverse engineering the WBB NIL war chest is my next endeavor to somewhat try to crack it with the limited info from Beth G and Brad H.
Beth Goetz said she won't disclose the %'s or individual payout numbers per sport. However, believe we have some guidepost here to help ballpark guesstimate it.
My Guidepost (4 References):
1) Average Revenue Sharing % per Sport(s)
Football - 78.3%
Mens Basketball - 15.0%
All Other Sports - 6.7%
2) Texas Tech's Kirby Hocutt one of first ADs to detail distribution of the $20.5M rev-share by sport:
FB $15.1M (74%)
MBB $3.6M (17.5%)
WBB $410K (2%)
BSB $390K (1.9%)
Others $920K (4.5%)
90% to FB/MBB will be standard across P4, as reported here last month.
3) How UGA plans to distribute $20.5 million in revenue share to athletes
"Georgia is planning to directly pay players the maximum allowed of about $20.5 million with about $2.5 million of that going to new scholarships working off a model in the preliminary House vs. NCAA antitrust settlement.
Football players would get at least 75 percent of the revenue after scholarships, men’s basketball players 15 percent and women’s basketball players 5 percent."
"Football players are expected to get at least $13.5 million, men’s basketball players about $2.7 million and women’s basketball players about $900,000. Other sport athletes like baseball, track and gymnastics could get a percentage of the remaining pie.
Georgia athletics unveils plan for its $20.5 million in revenue sharing with athletes
How will Georgia athletics divvy up the $20.5 million it plans to distribute to players in revenue sharing? Athletic director Josh Brooks offers details
www.onlineathens.com
4) Now from the article you referenced it stated MBB would need $4.5MM - $5MM to compete in the new NIL world starting next season/July. Now it also stated only 2.5MM would come out of Rev Share pot for MBB and Brad's Swarm needed to provide $2MM to cover minimum for MBB if I'm reading it right. this seems to match Geogia's # for MBB.
SEC gets the $20.5MM Rev Share figure while the BIG gets ~20MM/ea program. So we'll work with $20MM here.
Plus according to the Georgia article above they took out new scholarships out of this settlement # and that was $2.5MM deducted from the total. According to the article, this is the way it's legally structured in the House settlement so far. So we may need to reduce the $20MM down to $17.5MM (have no idea how much IA will be so I'll use the Georgia $2.5MM for it).
However, according the Texas Tech AD #'s above, they used the full $20.5MM to arrive at the NIL allocations per sport. I'm using the Texas Tech #'s full amount for now. Maybe when the House Settlement approval comes out on April 7th we'll get more clarity on whether new scholarships come out of this # also.
Working with those reference numbers as guidepost, here are the numbers I've come up with so far.
B1G Settlement Amount: $20MM
Rev Share Arm:
Rev Share Example IA Split #1:
FB: $15MM (75%)
MBB: $2.5MM (12.5% - this leaves a short fall of 2.5% to reach that 90% for both FB + MBB)
WBB: $400k (2%)
Others: $2.1 MM (10.5% - it's 5.5% higher than Georgia 5% and the MBB 2.5% short fall is also included in this #)
Rev Share Example IA Split #2 (reallocation of funds to match expectations and Georgia's top WBB NIL #):
FB: $15.5MM (77.5% - picks up 2.5% MBB short fall to reach the 90% FB + MBB %)
MBB: $2.5MM (12.5%)
WBB: $1MM (5% - picks up 3% out of the Others pot to match Georgia's WBB of 5% to leave it also with 5%)
Others: $1 MM (5%)
Charity/Base Arm:
Somewhere I got the figure that it was believed ~$15k was allotted for WBB when they were under the all equal pay program at Iowa. Most likely this came out of the Charity/Base NIL program Brad runs. So that amounts to:
$15k * 15 players = $225k (for some reason this seems low prior to Rev Share #s)
Would think Lucy coming on board this season altered the same pay for everyone that they originally started out with. Just going to throw out a # of $75k here. So the Charity/Base war chest goes up to $300k for a nice round # on Brad's side.
WBB Totals:
Rev Share: $1MMk
Charity/Base Arm: $300k
Total: ~$1.3MM WBB War Chest
Now my gut tells me this might be on the low side yet from listening to both Beth and Brad as we're one of the top WBB NIL programs in the nation. I'm thinking all the donations that went to Swarm WBB pot instead of the MBB pot because of Fran. Thinking this could be ~another $200k which would bring the WBB NIL range from ~$1.3MM - $1.5MM.
According to you, "I would expect Iowa WBB's pot to be quite a bit better than the website average" and I agree 100%.
Now you may have picked up better resource #'s elsewhere that can provide more insight than the #'s presented here.
If I may ask, where do you believe we ~sit with this WBB NIL range?
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Kylie Feuerbach's Iowa Hawkeyes return elicits 1-word reaction from 5-star signee Addie Deal
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Kylie Feuerbach's Iowa Hawkeyes return elicits 1-word reaction from 5-star signee Addie Deal
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Addie Deal, the Iowa Hawkeyes signee and the No. 15 overall prospect in the Class of 2025 (as per On3's Industry Rankings), was elated by Kylie Feuerbach's decision to return to the Hawkeyes.
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I think we're similar. Note: this is all estimates based on Chad's article, NIL estimates, and some speculation. None of this is sourced.Reverse engineering the WBB NIL war chest is my next endeavor to somewhat try to crack it with the limited info from Beth G and Brad H.
Beth Goetz said she won't disclose the %'s or individual payout numbers per sport. However, believe we have some guidepost here to help ballpark guesstimate it.
My Guidepost (4 References):
1) Average Revenue Sharing % per Sport(s)
Football - 78.3%
Mens Basketball - 15.0%
All Other Sports - 6.7%
2) Texas Tech's Kirby Hocutt one of first ADs to detail distribution of the $20.5M rev-share by sport:
FB $15.1M (74%)
MBB $3.6M (17.5%)
WBB $410K (2%)
BSB $390K (1.9%)
Others $920K (4.5%)
90% to FB/MBB will be standard across P4, as reported here last month.
3) How UGA plans to distribute $20.5 million in revenue share to athletes
"Georgia is planning to directly pay players the maximum allowed of about $20.5 million with about $2.5 million of that going to new scholarships working off a model in the preliminary House vs. NCAA antitrust settlement.
Football players would get at least 75 percent of the revenue after scholarships, men’s basketball players 15 percent and women’s basketball players 5 percent."
"Football players are expected to get at least $13.5 million, men’s basketball players about $2.7 million and women’s basketball players about $900,000. Other sport athletes like baseball, track and gymnastics could get a percentage of the remaining pie.
Georgia athletics unveils plan for its $20.5 million in revenue sharing with athletes
How will Georgia athletics divvy up the $20.5 million it plans to distribute to players in revenue sharing? Athletic director Josh Brooks offers detailswww.onlineathens.com
4) Now from the article you referenced it stated MBB would need $4.5MM - $5MM to compete in the new NIL world starting next season/July. Now it also stated only 2.5MM would come out of Rev Share pot for MBB and Brad's Swarm needed to provide $2MM to cover minimum for MBB if I'm reading it right. this seems to match Geogia's # for MBB.
SEC gets the $20.5MM Rev Share figure while the BIG gets ~20MM/ea program. So we'll work with $20MM here.
Plus according to the Georgia article above they took out new scholarships out of this settlement # and that was $2.5MM deducted from the total. According to the article, this is the way it's legally structured in the House settlement so far. So we may need to reduce the $20MM down to $17.5MM (have no idea how much IA will be so I'll use the Georgia $2.5MM for it).
However, according the Texas Tech AD #'s above, they used the full $20.5MM to arrive at the NIL allocations per sport. I'm using the Texas Tech #'s full amount for now. Maybe when the House Settlement approval comes out on April 7th we'll get more clarity on whether new scholarships come out of this # also.
Working with those reference numbers as guidepost, here are the numbers I've come up with so far.
B1G Settlement Amount: $20MM
Rev Share Arm:
Rev Share Example IA Split #1:
FB: $15MM (75%)
MBB: $2.5MM (12.5% - this leaves a short fall of 2.5% to reach that 90% for both FB + MBB)
WBB: $400k (2%)
Others: $2.1 MM (10.5% - it's 5.5% higher than Georgia 5% and the MBB 2.5% short fall is also included in this #)
Rev Share Example IA Split #2 (reallocation of funds to match expectations and Georgia's top WBB NIL #):
FB: $15.5MM (77.5% - picks up 2.5% MBB short fall to reach the 90% FB + MBB %)
MBB: $2.5MM (12.5%)
WBB: $1MM (5% - picks up 3% out of the Others pot to match Georgia's WBB of 5% to leave it also with 5%)
Others: $1 MM (5%)
Charity/Base Arm:
Somewhere I got the figure that it was believed ~$15k was allotted for WBB when they were under the all equal pay program at Iowa. Most likely this came out of the Charity/Base NIL program Brad runs. So that amounts to:
$15k * 15 players = $225k (for some reason this seems low prior to Rev Share #s)
Would think Lucy coming on board this season altered the same pay for everyone that they originally started out with. Just going to throw out a # of $75k here. So the Charity/Base war chest goes up to $300k for a nice round # on Brad's side.
WBB Totals:
Rev Share: $1MMk
Charity/Base Arm: $300k
Total: ~$1.3MM WBB War Chest
Now my gut tells me this might be on the low side yet from listening to both Beth and Brad as we're one of the top WBB NIL programs in the nation. I'm thinking all the donations that went to Swarm WBB pot instead of the MBB pot because of Fran. Thinking this could be ~another $200k which would bring the WBB NIL range from ~$1.3MM - $1.5MM.
According to you, "I would expect Iowa WBB's pot to be quite a bit better than the website average" and I agree 100%.
Now you may have picked up better resource #'s elsewhere that can provide more insight than the #'s presented here.
If I may ask, where do you believe we ~sit with this WBB NIL range?
For rev share, I'll use $20.5 million as the budget since that was used in Chad's article. Maybe it ends up slightly less. I'll also not subtract out the scholarships since that wasn't mentioned in Chad's article or in the Texas Tech example.
Football- $15 million: Chad's article said $14-$15 million. With Texas Tech's example and the other estimates given on ncaa-nil.com, I'm going to guess high on that number.
Men's Basketball- $2.5 million: That was the number used in Chad's article. No reason to disbelieve it. That puts MBB behind many other programs, which Chad mentions.
Wrestling- $1 million: Chad's article said high six figures if not a million. Again I'll go high with the guess.
Other Sports- $700,000: This is the biggest unknown. Tech's number was $920,000 for this, but Tech has an added advantage of not needing to fund a wrestling team to Iowa's level.
Baseball- $300,000: Another relative unknown. Tech's number was $390k. The average on nil-ncaa.com was $350k. That said, SEC schools were really raising that average. The Big Ten schools were projected much lower. This number could well be high.
Women's Basketball- $1 million: That's what I have left in the budget after the estimates. I wouldn't be surprised if the real number was anywhere from say $800k- $1.1 or $1.2 million. That puts WBB at a similar funding level to wrestling, which makes sense. Both are selling out Carver. Both very competitive nationally.
Tech's number was $410k, so this is well above that, which makes sense. Tech hasn't made the NCAA Tournament in over a decade. More competitive programs will be higher.
Charity NIL- I believe the $15k number you cited was from Clark's junior season. Clark opted out, but the rest of the team got $15k each. 14 players x 15k = $210,000.
My guess is the $210,000 number probably went up a healthy amount. I believe that was allocated before Iowa made the championship game vs. LSU. I'm sure fan NIL support for the program went up after that.
This is far from an official source, but here is a Reddit thread discussing Iowa's NIL. Several comments mention the $15k number and then mention there was talk of that number doubling for Clark's senior season. Talk isn't confirmation of course, but let's assume for a moment the number did double. $30,000 x 13 players = $390,000.
I'm not sure how to evaluate the charity side for this year and into the future. On the one hand, Clark is gone. On the other, season tickets sold out quickly again, so clearly there is still momentum behind the program. I'll split the difference and say the number stays right around $400,000.
As you mentioned, my guess is Lucy's transfer in altered the everyone receives the same model. I'm not sure if that means that all players split the $400,000 (estimate) differently, or if maybe SWARM was able to raise additional separate funds specifically for bringing Lucy in.
As a gut-check of that $400,000 number, the men's basketball charity side has been estimated at $1.5 million or less. There was a report some players were receiving $300,000 each and Eliot said it wasn't that high, so I'll assume less. If WBB's number is right it would be anywhere from say 26% to 33% of the men's number. If the revenue sharing numbers are right, WBB would be at 40% of MBB. The percentages don't have to be the same, but that they're in the ballpark tells me the estimate is decent.
So combining the numbers, that would put the war chest at $1,400,000. That's up considerably from the $400,000 that would've been available this year with NIL only. Also worth noting that if Iowa is doing better than most programs with the revenue sharing, the revenue sharing would increase Iowa's competitive advantage over those programs in total dollars.
Business NIL: One last thought: we know some Iowa players are receiving separate NIL deals with businesses to do things like advertisements. I have no idea how to estimate the worth of those deals, but for a star recruit like Addie Deal Iowa can likely say with confidence she'll have opportunities above and beyond what Iowa can offer from the charity NIL money and the revenue sharing.
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Neither McCabe or Feurbach can play the point. Guyton will start at the point.
That is where there is some advantage in how Iowa's program supplies such a family-oriented culture. That way if a player has their parent in their head ... they also have that strong-tug back to the program attributable to their kinship with their teammates.
Levin got really emotional. Maybe Feuerbach is like her big sister - or grandma 
Iowa will NOT be looking at a PG in the portal. 100% certain unless there are roster subtractions which in this day in age is very possible. They will be interested in a stretch 3 or 4 in the 6'0-6'2 range. That is what I've heard.
I think PG in the portal would depend on who is in the portal. It would require someone who wanted to come to Iowa that was very skilled for Jan to be interested. Jan has indicated she wants to build from within rather than rely on transfers unless there is a clear need. I think its also the case where it took Lucy a while to really figure out how to play within the framework, I would expect most portal PGs would have a similar learning curve.
Iowa has 3 or 4 that can play the point unlike last year, with only freshmen coming in.
Imagine MSN Messenger from early-mid 2000's and reddit has a baby. That's the closest thing I could think of to describe it. It can be a little tricky and it's not for everyone. In essence, it's a self-curated and centralized topic discussion board aggregator. Not all boards are free, counting this one.
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We still have one '25 commit left playing in state finals yet. Layla gets another double-double.
Her stat line: 21 points, 11 rebounds
4A Girls State: Juneau hangs on, hangs first loss on Bartlett in 20 games; joins Colony, MCCA, Wasilla in semifinals
"Senior Layla Hays, tabbed for NCAA Division I Iowa, provided her usual double-double (21 points, 11 rebounds)."
Her stat line: 21 points, 11 rebounds
4A Girls State: Juneau hangs on, hangs first loss on Bartlett in 20 games; joins Colony, MCCA, Wasilla in semifinals
"Senior Layla Hays, tabbed for NCAA Division I Iowa, provided her usual double-double (21 points, 11 rebounds)."
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Maybe but who is a proven 2 or a proven 3 or a proven 4/5? Kylie and Hannah have proven them selves, but that's it. Hannah and Kylie cannot play both positions at the same time.
I think people are still way to caught up in old school positions.
It’s more like put your best five matchups on the court.
We now have news of why Mallegni most likely wasn't in the celebration of Kylie's coming back announcement.
Layla Hays led her Wasilla team to the state finals tomorrow (Saturday) with 17 points and 20 rebounds. However, she was only 3 of 16 from the free throw line. Needs a lot of work there.
Holy cow close your eyes and you could probably make 1 of 5 FTAs. Impressive boards though.
Some highlights from it...
"Wasilla and Mountain City played lights out, with more lead changes than you could count, in a 59-54 Wasilla win in overtime. Despite a great defensive effort to slow her down, Wasilla’s Layla Hays was able to muster 17 points with 20 rebounds for the game. Savannah Kroon made some key shots when they were needed for Wasilla, finishing with 12.
Mountain City was no pushover, and led by Morgan Maldonado’s 20 points and 11 by Nyatuong Majiok, the Lions consistently answered Wasilla’s scoring efforts with their own. In a rematch of last year’s championship, Wasilla will now play rival Colony for the 4A girls title."
About a month ago, I was trying to find some stats on her and ended up on her sister’s stats (plays for Eastern Washington). She is a 41% FT shooter for her collegiate career, so could be an issue.
With Heiden coming on so strong, I think Hays will have some time to work on it. Guessing she may need time playing against bigger players as well. 20 rebounds is no joke, however. We'll see how it pans out.
IF they they are convinced that Ava and Hannah can co-exist in the starting line-up next year, might want to get a big with one year left in the portal. Not easy to find a "Molly Davis" who is happy to come in as a backup.
I know Layla broke put on the AAU circuit against better talent, but thinking her skills might be a little rough.
(Last week, I was in Los Angeles and eating lunch at the (Original) Farmer's Market. At the tables next to me, based on their clothing was the Alaska-Anchorage women's basketball team. (Google says that they were in the Division II Western regionals). Really wanted to ask if they had seen her play and their thoughts, but didn't want to be the creeper.)
I know Layla broke put on the AAU circuit against better talent, but thinking her skills might be a little rough.
(Last week, I was in Los Angeles and eating lunch at the (Original) Farmer's Market. At the tables next to me, based on their clothing was the Alaska-Anchorage women's basketball team. (Google says that they were in the Division II Western regionals). Really wanted to ask if they had seen her play and their thoughts, but didn't want to be the creeper.)
Hannah wasn't much better as a freshman but she's worked hard at getting better.
That question is almost the opposite of what I stated. My guess is that to start next year the lineup and playing time is going to fluctuate based on the opponent. By the end of the year it could be a different story. Still going to be a very young team at spots and none of us know how their game will develop over the next 9 months.
Layla Hays’ Wasilla team lost in the state finals last night. Hays had 12 points and 13 boards. Was 0-4 FTs. For the tournament, Layla was 8-33 from the charity stripe.
