Actually need to give credit where credit is due.
We are talking about recruiting here. What is known before their college career even begins.
Think recruiting McDonald's All-Americans are very high on a coach's list (Most years only 24 players can claim this).
If you can't get them, McDonald's All-American Nominees are next in line (~350-500 in this group a year).
Believe being drafted at the end of career gives them some clout as well that they had talent.
We have four All American players in the last 25 years, 3 point guards and one post, and you conclude that supports an argument that point guards have been the relative recruiting weakness?
As stated, someone could argue the opposite of what you're claiming. Our PGs may have over produced based on other team players around them.
The Iowa WBB program has actually done very well recruiting pg’s. Caitlin, Samantha Logic, Kathleen Doyle, Tania Davis, Kamile Whalin.
I only included Scott's recent list + up until now and not back 25 years.
Kamille Whalin (2008-2011)
McDonald's All-American Nominee (2007) <---
Big Ten All-Freshman Team (2008)
Kamille Wahlin - Women's Basketball 2010-11
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Samantha Logic (2012-2015)
McDonald's All-American (2011) <---
Big Ten All-Freshman Team (2012)
Big Ten All-Tournament Team (2014)
Nancy Lieberman Award Watch List Finalist (2014)
2Ă— First-team All-Big Ten (2014, 2015)
Third-team All-American – AP (2015)
All-American – USBWA (2015)
WBCA Coaches' All-American (2015)
First-team All-American by the United States Basketball Writers Association (2015)
WNBA draft 1st round, 10th overall pick - Selected by the Atlanta Dream (2015)
Nancy Lieberman Award Finalist (2015)
John R. Wooden Award Ballot (2015)
2015 Naismith Trophy Midseason 30 List (2015)
Dawn Staley Award Watch List (2015)
Samantha Logic - Women's Basketball 2011-12
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en.wikipedia.org
Tania Davis (2015-2018)
ESPN Top 40 guard (ranked No. 36) <---
ESPN HoopGurlz Top 100 recruit, ranked as the 36th-best prospect nationally and the 12th-best point guard
"[Davis:] I want to win Miss Basketball my senior year, win a state championship and
hopefully play in the McDonald's All-American game," Davis told The Flint Journal earlier this summer. "This is my last year, so I'm just trying to go hard and make the best of it."
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Goodrich’s top-ranked floor general Tania Davis has finally made her college decision.
www.mlive.com
Tania Davis - Women's Basketball 2015-16
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Kathleen Doyle (2017-2020)
McDonald’s All-American nominee (2016) <---
Big Ten All-Freshman Team (2017)
2x First-team All-Big Ten (2019, 2020)
Third-team All-American – AP, USBWA (2020)
WBCA Coaches' All-American (2020)
Big Ten Player of the Year (2020)
WNBA draft 2nd round, 14th overall pick - Selected by the Indiana Fever (2020)
Kathleen Doyle - Women's Basketball 2016-17
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en.wikipedia.org
Next is CC (2020-2023) and we you know her long list of accolades including
McDonald's All-American.
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WNBA draft 1st round, 1st overall pick - Selected by the Indiana Fever (2024)
Aaliyah Guyton (2024-?)
McDonald’s All-American nominee.
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Addie Deal (2025-?)
McDonald's All-American.
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Last time I'll beat this dead horse and clarify my point. Men's it was the key factor, yes. Biggest relative weakness in recruiting I believe still applies to the women's program too. Two all third team all American years in the last 25 not counting the ultimate outlier. The only objective evidence we have backs up it up with recruiting rankings, too.
Think you're skating on thin ice here. Basketball is a team sport. The PG certainly matters a lot. Think we can all agree on that. However, you still need points from others, defense, rebounds and other high IQ intangibles that don't show up in a box score from multiple players that are on the same page to make deep tournament runs.
Yes, CC is an outlier and she covered up a lot of sins for the rest of the team because she has highly exceptional skills and IQ to match it. There's no one close to CC before and after that can carry a team like she did. Let's try to come back to reality here because that's a haystack needle.
When you look at what this current team is doing in comparison and the way we've played against a Top #2, #4 and #8 team, we're not doing too bad without a generational McDonald’s All-American PG. What you see in our recruiting over these years is its been above average to the point of ~Top 30 or better. It's why we get in the tournament every year. I don't see any abnormal patterns with our PG recruiting or anything that says it's a glaring weakness in past years.
I would argue that if we had a Megan G type on this current team, we might have the same record as last year or even better yet, undefeated. There's no uber PG needed. The point is that it's a team effort and production can come from all 5 spots.
Rather have upgraded potential in the 4 other spots, than expect an exceptional PG is always going to commit to IA and they're going to magically supercharge the rest of the team. Now hopefully we get to that point where we can have that top talented PG or 2 on the squad every year, but we're not there yet. 2026 recruiting is a pivotal key to see if we can keep on elevating our starters/bench with more 4 or 5 stars like the last 2 years of Top 10 and Top 15 classes or do we fall back to normal with ~Top 30 recruiting classes again.
Hell the coach's system even plays a vital part. You can have all the great players starting and also on the bench, but if that coach doesn't have innovative plays to match the players strengths, they can make a Final Four looking team look like a play-in team.
The key is there are many pieces to the puzzle here. PG is not something you can point to and say that it's most definitely a weak link over the years. It's more like Scott said in that it's been hard for IA to get top talent at all or most positions at the same time. When we don't have these other positions with top talent, then opponents can pick on our weak links to keep us at above average instead of us having something around the elite level.
Think of it this way. Top talent wants to play with top talent if their goals are NATTY runs. They want to stack the deck in their favor. We need to fill in more pieces at the other spots as well as PG if we want that top talent to keep on coming back. At that point, hopefully we start to see Top 5 classes as well.