This is for gambling that occurred on or after May 2nd. It doesn’t apply to the situation of either Iowa or ISU
DI approves changes to reinstatement guidelines for sports wagering violations - NCAA.org
The Division I Legislative Committee on Tuesday ratified a Division I Committee on Student Athlete Reinstatement decision to amend guidelines for reinstating thewww.ncaa.org
Don't think the timing of this is a coincidence.
This is very good news for both Iowa and ISU.
Iowa wrestling and gambling
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I initially thought the same; however, I think this is a grey area at the moment.
The language is "For all wagering-related violations reported on or after May 2, the following guidelines will apply:"
Consequently there may be a very big calendar difference between 'reported' as opposed to 'occurred'.
As a result both programs might have dodged a bullet so to speak. We will all have to await the official announcement.
It says reported on or after May 2, not occurred on or after May 2. I think it applies to both Iowa and Iowa St.
I am interested to see how this all pans out. If Iowa wrestlers bet on Iowa sports like basketball (which would not surprise me), they could get stiffer penalties than just some small time betting in general. If an ISU guy bet on himself, I would be shocked if the punishment is not pretty severe for that as that is a pretty big conflict of interest. Did he bet on himself winning or losing, as losing would be even worse? It is all pretty foolish on the athletes part as they knew they couldn't do it and should have at the very least not bet on traceable apps or websites, or better yet just not bet on anything until they are out of college.
I'm pretty sure that you can't bet on individual college athletes in the state of Iowa. Its possible he could have made a bet outside of Iowa on himself, but not on one of the apps or at a casino in Iowa.
Is it the same source that told you what Ben Kueter said about the Ferraris? Asking for a friend...........
Sorry, I couldn't resist!
It's not too hard for college athletes to get around the NCAA gambling rules.
Just have one of your non athlete friends or someone you trust place all the bets.
So simple.... but apparently none of them thought of going that route.
Just have one of your non athlete friends or someone you trust place all the bets.
So simple.... but apparently none of them thought of going that route.
Don't live in Iowa anymore, but there were some off-shore books offering lines on individual matches as well as dual meet score lines
I guess thats possible. Don't know much about the offshore betting or how that works. I just know that you couldn't bet on individual college players on any Iowa sports app. Or else I would have bet the farm on the under for passing yards on Petras every game.
If you think college age kids don't think things through regarding gambling, just wait until the IRS get ahold of the NIL crowd.
I agree. And have been wondering about college kids with wads of money and all potential repercussions.
LOL. no actually. But fair question/reaction.Is it the same source that told you what Ben Kueter said about the Ferraris? Asking for a friend...........
Sorry, I couldn't resist!
And hey. I didn't even name them. Someone else did later. I'm just not sure how we avoid a retroactive punishment. I hope i'm wrong though.
My guess is that they aren't any brighter than you or I at that age. I thought I had money when I got my check from woking at the Coralville HyVee Bakery! $3.25 an hour - good times.
No. Our manager at my store a few years back had coached football at SD School of Mines before moving to Sioux City, and even though he wasn't actively coaching, he still wouldn't even risk playing free fantasy football for fear that it would jeopardize anything should he return to coaching NCAA (Division 2 in that particular case).
U. of Washington Fires Football Coach for Gambling
The University of Washington fired its head football coach, Rick Neuheisel, on Thursday after he admitted betting more than $6,000 in a pool on the National Collegiate Athletic Association’s men’s basketball tournament over the past two years. Mr. Neuheisel has been a controversial figure at…
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Gambling in sports is a hot topic right now.
www.espn.com
NFL suspends 4 players for gambling violations
The NFL suspended four players -- three for at least the 2023 season -- for violations of the league's gambling policy.
This is so dumb. I hate the ncaa. Overlook blatant violations in football and basketball but let’s nail some wrestlers asses to a wall. The sooner they disband the better.
This is why I am surprised they made a common sense decision when they could have made an example out of non revenue sports plus Iowa and ISU.
Im ready for the season to start so we get this garbage behind us and keep moving forward. Betting on sports is legal, they all are of legal age, it was not their own sport! what a crock of shizzle. let's go Hawks!
Ummmm you’re not paying attention if you think football players aren’t involved.
But revenue sport athletes are invoked. Several football players at both Iowa and ISU.
They were not all of legal age.
Do you guys actually bother to follow the stories or nah?
hi Spooner my buddy , did not know Iowa was 1 of only 4 states the age is 21 for sports betting. The rest of my statement stands, carry on and hugs to the family!
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What I’m saying is the ncaa was seemingly bending over backward about this but lets other shit slide right through.
Again, you're not paying attention if that's what you think is happening. With the legalization of gambling in many states the entire sports world, not just the NCAA, has elevated their awareness as to what their athletes are doing.
EVERY sporting body (NFL, NBA, MLB, NCAA) has rules against gambling and for good reason. I think the pro leagues and the NCAA want to set a precedent early on in this new world of legalized sports gambling that is not allowed by their athletes. Not handling this early can lead to a slippery slope that no sports leagues want to deal with.
We can cry all we want to about the mean old NCAA but these young men, and women(?), know the rules and chose to ignore them or chose to attempt to circumvent them (having family members gamble or using false identities). These are serious crimes and need to be addressed.
To the "they were not betting on their team/sport so what does it matter". Have you ever paid attention to the history of gambling in this country? There is a reason that sports leagues are so adamant that their athletes not be involved in gambling.
Thanks for taking the time to lay that out.
NCAA has lost a lot of power. I was thinking they may try to make an example out of ISU and Iowa, because if they tried to hit an Ohio St/Texas etc they would just tell the NCAA to get bent and start the breakaway. Which I do think is eventually coming.
Chis Vannini. College Sports Gambling Scandals: A brief history from the Brooklyn Five to Brad Bohannon. Athletic, May 2023.
College sports gambling scandals: A brief history from the Brooklyn Five to Brad Bohannon
By Chris VanniniMay 9, 2023
Sports betting has come to the forefront of the conversation surrounding college athletics. Suspicious wagers on an Alabama baseball game that have led to the dismissal of head coach Brad Bohannon, followed up by Monday’s announcement that Iowa and Iowa State are looking into allegations of online gambling involving at least 41 combined players across multiple sports, highlight how big this issue has become.1945: The Brooklyn Five
What happened: Five Brooklyn College men’s basketball players accepted $1,000 to intentionally lose a game against Akron. Police, tracking a robbery suspect, discovered the scheme during an unrelated raid on an apartment where the five players were present before the game against Akron was played.
1947-51: Men’s basketball point shaving
What happened: Thirty-three players across seven schools were found to be involved in point shaving over 86 games from 1947 to 1950. Seven players were on the 1949-50 City College of New York men’s basketball team, which won the 1950 NCAA Tournament and NIT (the only double in history). In 1951, Manhattan College center Junius Kellogg was approached by a former Manhattan player and offered $1,000 to fix a game by losing by five or six points. He refused and told his coach and then the police. He later wore a wire to gather evidence on other gamblers, which led the investigation to organized crime.
1957-61: Men’s basketball point shaving
What happened: Molinas, who had escaped the 1951 scandal, became the No. 3 pick in the 1953 NBA Draft, but he was suspended during his rookie season for gambling on games. He stayed involved in the gambling world and helped lead another scheme that touched dozens of players across 22 schools from 1957 to 1961. Florida football player Jon McBeth was approached with a bribe and told his coach. Word made its way to the police again.
1978-79: Boston College men’s basketball
What happened: Several Boston College players were recruited by organized crime to shave points during nine games in the 1978-79 season. Players were paid hundreds of dollars for their participation and given the chance by fixers to earn more by betting on the games. Only four of the nine affected games produced a winning bet, and the scheme fizzled out.
1985: Tulane men’s basketball
What happened: Three Tulane students recruited five players to shave points in two games against Southern Miss and Memphis State. A week after the season, rumors of the fixing spread. A local attorney investigated and told district attorney Harry Connick (father of singer Harry Connick Jr.), who jumped on the case.
1994: Arizona State men’s basketball
What happened: Players Stevin Smith and Isaac Burton were paid by bookmaker Benny Silman to make sure ASU didn’t cover the spread in four games at the end of the 1993-94 season. Smith reportedly owed Silman football gambling debts. Smith received $20,000 ($10,000 in cash and $10,000 in debt wiped away) for shaving points in one game and also bet on his own games.
1994-95 Northwestern
What happened: Northwestern suspended two athletes in late 1994 for betting on games they weren’t involved in, including its then-all-time leading rusher Dennis Lundy on the football team and Kenneth Lee on the men’s basketball team. After returning from suspension, Lee continued gambling and point-shaved three games with teammate Dewey Williams, looking to make sure Northwestern lost games by more than the point spread. Lee received $4,000 and was set to receive another $8,000 for the scheme, but money was lost in the third game when Northwestern covered the spread.
1995: Maryland football and basketball
What happened: A handful of players across both teams bet on college football and basketball games, including record-breaking quarterback Scott Milanovich, who reportedly placed six bets totaling $200. None of those bets were on Maryland games.
1996: Boston College football
What happened: Upwards of 25 to 30 players bet on various sports games through a student bookie who was on the golf team, and two players bet on Boston College to lose an October game against Syracuse, though neither player had a role in the loss. Rumors of gambling had spread among the team, leading to an investigation.
2003: Washington football coach Rick Neuheisel fired for bracket pool
What happened: Neuheisel participated in a neighborhood pool for the 2003 NCAA men’s basketball tournament and initially denied the accusations to NCAA investigators. He had received an internal UW memo that claimed off-campus tournament pools were allowed. An NCAA investigation looked into a potential show-cause penalty for Neuheisel.
2004-06: Toledo football and men’s basketball
What happened: Two Detroit-area businessmen paid Toledo football and men’s basketball players from December 2004 to December 2006 to influence the final score of games. Investigators learned of the scheme in a wiretapped conversation.
2011: University of San Diego basketball
What happened: Former USD assistant coach Thaddeus Brown convinced point guard Brandon Johnson to shave points for up to $10,000 per game during the 2009-10 season, the FBI claimed, adding that at least four games were affected. Johnson was a former star player with NBA dreams whose career had been derailed by injuries. An unrelated drug-trafficking and illegal casino investigation uncovered an individual’s connection with Brown and Johnson, ultimately revealing the basketball scheme.
2012: Auburn men’s basketball
What happened: Point guard Kyievarez Ward was accused of attempting to fix an Auburn game against Arkansas in January 2012. He came off the bench but fell to the floor with an apparent leg injury after 19 seconds. Arkansas won the game. He was suspended before the next Arkansas game in February.
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Good job, Tom. Nobody likes to admit they have a problem.
Maybe. Or it’s my complete lack of desire to argue my point with someone who doesn’t comprehend. Maybe you fall into this category, I don’t know.
IDGAF about the specificity of this one example. I’m talking on the whole. Crowing about athletes “knowing the rules” while simultaneously ignoring the fact the NCAA has time and again looked the other way on violations of THEIR rules, depending on who commits them, is a poor take. This gambling issue isn’t the problem, it’s a symptom. The NCAA has zero credibility.
Let’s Rank who would hurt the most to get suspended
1- Woods
2- Cass
3 - Abe
4- Alaya
5 - Brands
6- teske
7- Abe
1- Woods
2- Cass
3 - Abe
4- Alaya
5 - Brands
6- teske
7- Abe
I believe a few of us have been here and done this before; deja vu 3.0
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...-karras-connie-hawkins-throwback/70203544007/
Abe comes in at 3rd? Or is it 7th?
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