I can see the advantage of people wanting to go on the official tour. If someone has not been in NYC before it can be somewhat intimidating. I have been there probably 20 times both business and fun and to me its no big deal. But if you don't know where to stay and how to get where you need to go well I can see why some people choose the tour. I certainly would not criticize them for doing so.
Is anyone really going to Pinstripe Bowl?
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I can see the advantage of people wanting to go on the official tour. If someone has not been in NYC before it can be somewhat intimidating. I have been there probably 20 times both business and fun and to me its no big deal. But if you don't know where to stay and how to get where you need to go well I can see why some people choose the tour. I certainly would not criticize them for doing so.
NYC is a horrible place to visit in the winter. For anyone going, be careful not to get carried away by the rats.
By the way, anychawk, never seen someone get so butthurt about most not liking a city before. Get over it
By the way, anychawk, never seen someone get so butthurt about most not liking a city before. Get over it
Like front row on the 50 yd line. Only issue is that you’re 25-35 yds away from the field.
Cheapest ticket on Stubhub still over $70. I don't understand why they have not dropped in price yet.
Horrible place in the winter? It’s the most iconic place in the United States for Christmas and New Years Eve. Maybe it’s sucks in January or February, but for the holiday season, it is one of the most sought after destinations. Sure there are rats, but Chicago had the highest density of rats in the US when I lived there and we also had tens of thousands of Hawkeyes attend hawkeye games there during my 12 years.
Look, I get that Iowans don’t love NY. It’s not within our comfort zone in many ways, but why the vitriol? Why punish a team and group of seniors who have earned our respect by trying to sour the pot and convey negative sentiment about a bowl selection process that is completely out of their hands?
It may not be Iowans' idea of a warm getaway the way bowls were always intended, but NYC is the biggest tourist destination is the US for a reason. Always had a great time there and everyone should experience it at least once.
The thing about New York is that it's so unique. Not just in the U.S., but globally. Yeah, you could say Hong Kong or Tokyo have similarities, but there's still something about New York. I remember the first time I took a greyhound bus from Chicago to New York when I was just out of college. We were stopped at the bus terminal in Newark which was right downtown and people were screaming at the bus and someone threw a bottle at the bus. No one got off that damn bus and we were there for about an hour or so.
But then we finally took off. I kept thinking, "Well, it's going to be cool to see New York, but I've seen skyscrapers in Chicago so it's not really going to be a big deal." Then we came out of a tunnel and to my left was the nighttime Manhattan skyline. It took my breath away. I'd never seen anything like it. It was just endless and amazing. It didn't seem real at all. Still one of the most powerful experiences I've ever had. Chicago is the only other city in the U.S. that's even remotely like New York City, but it just doesn't compare. New York is ... there's just no comparison in terms of total awe.
For that trip I was visiting my girlfriend for Thanksgiving. She lived on the upper West Side, just a block away from Central Park. Walking out onto the street in the morning on a chilly sunny day? There's nothing like it. And the Macy's Day parade, kitschy as it seems on TV, is so cool in person. The sidewalks are so wide and yet they were completely packed. Everyone was smiling, everyone was happy. It was such a great vibe.
I was shocked by that, too, because my ideas of New York were based on the movies of the 1970s: Taxi Driver, Mean Streets, Serpico, News from Home, Marathon Man, Dog Day Afternoon, and The Blank Generation. Add in Son of Sam, giant rats, broken down tenements, everybody's an asshole, etc., and that was my image of Manhattan. It may have been like that in the 70s, but by the early 90s it really wasn't. More like a mixture of Woody Allen's Annie Hall and Oliver Stone's Wall Street.
But then we finally took off. I kept thinking, "Well, it's going to be cool to see New York, but I've seen skyscrapers in Chicago so it's not really going to be a big deal." Then we came out of a tunnel and to my left was the nighttime Manhattan skyline. It took my breath away. I'd never seen anything like it. It was just endless and amazing. It didn't seem real at all. Still one of the most powerful experiences I've ever had. Chicago is the only other city in the U.S. that's even remotely like New York City, but it just doesn't compare. New York is ... there's just no comparison in terms of total awe.
For that trip I was visiting my girlfriend for Thanksgiving. She lived on the upper West Side, just a block away from Central Park. Walking out onto the street in the morning on a chilly sunny day? There's nothing like it. And the Macy's Day parade, kitschy as it seems on TV, is so cool in person. The sidewalks are so wide and yet they were completely packed. Everyone was smiling, everyone was happy. It was such a great vibe.
I was shocked by that, too, because my ideas of New York were based on the movies of the 1970s: Taxi Driver, Mean Streets, Serpico, News from Home, Marathon Man, Dog Day Afternoon, and The Blank Generation. Add in Son of Sam, giant rats, broken down tenements, everybody's an asshole, etc., and that was my image of Manhattan. It may have been like that in the 70s, but by the early 90s it really wasn't. More like a mixture of Woody Allen's Annie Hall and Oliver Stone's Wall Street.
convey negative sentiment about a bowl selection process that is completely out of their hands?
They actually had quite a bit to do with the selection process.
They actually had quite a bit to do with the selection process.
So do the fans and our willingness to travel. Don’t forget that either the next time we are surpassed by a group of fans who are more loyal. Feel free to point a finger but don’t forget to look at our own impact.
If Iowa gets bumped down a level for a bowl game due to a lack of fan support I will get you a free ride on the Cambus. Bowl people are smarter than that. Honestly the players on the team have far more of an influence on bowl selection than we do as fans.
The team record gets themselves access to the tier of bowls they can play in, so yes they certainly have the greatest influence. Assuming that their aren’t any consecutive play rules in place by the B1G or the bowls, the next greatest influencers are fan support (willingness to travel) and TV viewership. Anyone who disagrees with this doesn’t understand the reason why bowls exist.
We show poorly in this game, and you better believe that the next time that a bowl is choosing between Iowa and Nebraska, Wisconsin, or Michigan State, they will pick the other team. Then we will have no one to blame besides ourselves.
Simple truth is that our fan base is moderately loyal. Probably better than the lower crust of the division and conference, but not loyal enough to give us much favorable sway anymore against the teams that our football team intends to be in competition with.
We show poorly in this game, and you better believe that the next time that a bowl is choosing between Iowa and Nebraska, Wisconsin, or Michigan State, they will pick the other team. Then we will have no one to blame besides ourselves.
Simple truth is that our fan base is moderately loyal. Probably better than the lower crust of the division and conference, but not loyal enough to give us much favorable sway anymore against the teams that our football team intends to be in competition with.
@Eternal Return (didn’t want to quote your post)
Why were people yelling at the bus and throwing things at it?
This was in Newark? I was told by Mr Barta that I could stay in that area to save a few bucks on my bowl trip.
Why were people yelling at the bus and throwing things at it?
This was in Newark? I was told by Mr Barta that I could stay in that area to save a few bucks on my bowl trip.
Historically Iowa is up a level in bowl games from what their record has earned. One poor Pinstripe won't overshadow the fan support that Iowa has a reputation for.
Well, this was the early 1990s and the bus station was located downtown. That was almost 25 years ago so I'm not sure what it's like now. Back then, anyway, it seemed pretty rough, but areas near downtown urban bus stops always seem to be that way. I don't think the whole of Newark is like that, though, but I don't know much about it.
It was probably somewhere around midnight, but I don't remember which day of the week. Had to be a weekday, though, because I was going there for Thanksgiving weekend. I don't want this to get into some black-white racist thing because about half the people on the bus with me were black and I had a lot of nice talks with everyone near me on the bus. It was a Thanksgiving crowd so people were in good moods. But there wasn't a single white person on the street and the people around the bus station were thuggish.
I thought, "Man, am I being a typical white guy? Do I have some hidden racism that's surfacing right now?" I watched the guys outside for a while longer and that's when the bottles started to hit the bus and the people outside were screaming. I thought, "No, no prejudice here. These guys look like they're ready to kill someone." I turned to the black guy who was sitting next to me. He looked scared shitless. He said to me, "There's no way I'm going out there."
Like I said, no one left the bus and everyone on board was pretty much like, hey, bus driver, let's go already! Looking back it was funny as shit, but the people on that bus were scared. Almost 25 years ago, though, so who knows what it's like now.
Only 137 tickets are on stubhub right now. Nobody bought tickets to resell. The face value for that game is too high for even brokers to make a quick buck off of.
Don't expect any $20 tickets on stubhub an hour before the game because there's just not any tickets posted for sale.
A 6-6 Penn State team in 2014 drew 49k. They were just coming off a bowl ban that year, but they also played BC.
Now 191 $85 being the lowest...reeling in the suckers ! There will be plenty of tickets to be found outside the game.
Along with Michigan, PSU has the biggest alumni base in NYC... or at least from a fan support point of view. The PSU fans were always in the bars for week one games on some BTN alternate we couldn’t get anywhere else. Outnumbered the Hawk fans by about 10-1 it seemed.
It also takes less time to drive from Philly to NYC than it does to go Philly to State College...
I get the reasoning and excuses. I just feel that we used to have a strong traveling fan base and we are now middle of the pack. I hope no one is taking this personally. We all represent our school and the Hawkeyes. No one person can fix it.
I just don’t want this “Iowa travels well” falacy to continue to be an argument as we are under consideration in future years. Statements like those are easy to justify. Show up for bowl games. If we don’t, we can put this to rest.
We were having this same conversation last year during the Outback bowl. No one was excited. They’d been there before. We didn’t live up to expectations from the beginning of the year.
We need to face the fact that we are not as good as our peers at traveling. Yes, you can bring up the alumni network and school size of our desireable peer comparisons, but those things weren’t part of the equation when we did travel well.
The only resolutions I think would work:
1) Consistently going to the Playoff. Even if we went back to the Rose in the next ten years but it was not as a result of winning the B1G, we would not send even 3/4 of the fans we sent to the Rose in 2016.
2) We go through a bowl drought. If we go t o years w/o a bowl, people would go to New York, Boise, anywhere to root on the Hawks.
3) Head Coaching Change. Ferentz has established that a bowl game is to be expected, and a conference title or division title will be in the discussion every 5 years (ish). He also misses a bowl about as frequently as he wins a B1G title. If we got a new coach and he took a dilipidated squad back to a serviceable level, we’d be willing to follow that Pied Piper.
I just don’t want this “Iowa travels well” falacy to continue to be an argument as we are under consideration in future years. Statements like those are easy to justify. Show up for bowl games. If we don’t, we can put this to rest.
We were having this same conversation last year during the Outback bowl. No one was excited. They’d been there before. We didn’t live up to expectations from the beginning of the year.
We need to face the fact that we are not as good as our peers at traveling. Yes, you can bring up the alumni network and school size of our desireable peer comparisons, but those things weren’t part of the equation when we did travel well.
The only resolutions I think would work:
1) Consistently going to the Playoff. Even if we went back to the Rose in the next ten years but it was not as a result of winning the B1G, we would not send even 3/4 of the fans we sent to the Rose in 2016.
2) We go through a bowl drought. If we go t o years w/o a bowl, people would go to New York, Boise, anywhere to root on the Hawks.
3) Head Coaching Change. Ferentz has established that a bowl game is to be expected, and a conference title or division title will be in the discussion every 5 years (ish). He also misses a bowl about as frequently as he wins a B1G title. If we got a new coach and he took a dilipidated squad back to a serviceable level, we’d be willing to follow that Pied Piper.
Iowa would have brought 20,000+ to Nashville easily.
Its not about iowa fans not supporting the team. It has everything to do with location, logistics, and time of the game.
2 days after Christmas to sit in a baseball stadium with a terrible view of the field while sitting in 18 degree weather isn't worth dropping $700+ a person.
Its not about iowa fans not supporting the team. It has everything to do with location, logistics, and time of the game.
2 days after Christmas to sit in a baseball stadium with a terrible view of the field while sitting in 18 degree weather isn't worth dropping $700+ a person.
Can you provide some apples to apples comparisons that show that Iowa consistently travels poorly for games?
Iowa is still one of the best traveling schools. One down showing in the pin stripe bowl will not change that.
I was, both, at the 1997 Sun Bowl and the 2015 Taxslayer Bowl (after the 2014 season).
I thought the 1997 Sun Bowl, would be the all-time low point, considering pre-season expectations, and we were just there in 1995.
Then, came the 2015 Taxslayer Bowl felt like a morgue, among Iowa fans, and the University could only sell 4,000+ tickets, and there were, barely, more than that, in attendance.
It never should've gotten to that point, but without the Beathard's strong-arming Kurt, that 2015 Rose Bowl season would've never happened.
With the Pinstripe, it's mostly the bowl location, date, etc. than the team.
Yes, Kurt making Top 13 money, should never be going to the Pinstripe Bowl.
With the Pinstripe, what are we up to now, 1,500?
The program has flat-lined, for the past 10+ years, with a few dead cat bounces, in 2009 and 2015.
OSU, PSU, Michigan, MSU, Wisconsin have all passed it, and we may be fighting it out with Purdue for that 6th bowl slot, year-in and year-out.
I thought the 1997 Sun Bowl, would be the all-time low point, considering pre-season expectations, and we were just there in 1995.
Then, came the 2015 Taxslayer Bowl felt like a morgue, among Iowa fans, and the University could only sell 4,000+ tickets, and there were, barely, more than that, in attendance.
It never should've gotten to that point, but without the Beathard's strong-arming Kurt, that 2015 Rose Bowl season would've never happened.
With the Pinstripe, it's mostly the bowl location, date, etc. than the team.
Yes, Kurt making Top 13 money, should never be going to the Pinstripe Bowl.
With the Pinstripe, what are we up to now, 1,500?
The program has flat-lined, for the past 10+ years, with a few dead cat bounces, in 2009 and 2015.
OSU, PSU, Michigan, MSU, Wisconsin have all passed it, and we may be fighting it out with Purdue for that 6th bowl slot, year-in and year-out.
Who would you see as an apples to apples comparison? Nebraska? ISU?
Here is how I see it...
- There are four schools in the B1G who are consistently considered to be in our upper crust - OSU, Penn State, Wiscy, and Michigan. Almost everyone agrees these schools have large travelling fan bases the likes of which IOWA has difficulty rivaling.
- Nebraska puts 90,000 butts in the seats at home because of nostalgia for the past and it being the only FBS team in the state and beyond (Dakotas). The next Bowl they go to will be like the rest that they have been to, majority red.
- That puts IOWA and Michigan’s State in a similar category. Michigan State is a larger school with a bigger alumni base from a larger state. IOWA fans probably have traditionally been know to travel better, maybe b/c of Mich St basketball taking over by this time orother reasons. Since Dantonio has taken the program to CFP levels, the tide may be shifting.
Now, I can tell you with my own two eyes that I have seen a decline in the Bowl support. Taxslayer was an abysmal joke. We were outnumbered 4 to 1 by Tennessee fans, and that is being generous. Rose Bowl was great (Kudos to the Iowa faithful). Outback was a fraction (1/3 to 1/2) of fans that I have seen at past Outback bowls. I’ll let you know how the Pinstripe support looks in a few hours. There are a few people on my connecting flight from Chicago who are Hawkeyes, but based on the mood of the board I’m guessing we’ll be outnumbered and in a nearly empty stadium.
Just calling it like I see it and it looks pretty avaerage to me. I see a lot of apathy and some bandwagoning when they are good. I prefer those fan bases that travel regardless, but what do I know.
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