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Is Chuck Long the 3rd best B1G Quarterback of ALL TIME?

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Ranking the Big Ten's top 5 all-time QBs
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    Josh MoyerESPN Staff Writer
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For the past few weeks, we've published series looking back at the spring -- so we thought we'd really take a look back this week.

Because this year marks the Big Ten's 120th anniversary, we cracked open the history books and took a look back at some of the conference's best players. So, as part of this week's series, we're ranking the top 5 all-time B1G players at each position. Every day, we'll give you an offensive position and a defensive position.

We're not basing this on NFL careers or numbers; a lot of it has to do with how each player's college career was viewed in his respective time period. We're also technically doing some cheating here because we're picking players that come from teams currently in the Big Ten. In other words, expect to see a few Nebraska and Penn State players -- even if they didn't technically compete in the conference.

So, without further ado, let's kick off this week's series. Up first: Quarterbacks.

1. Tommie Frazier, Nebraska, started from 1992-1995: He's certainly not the most accurate passer on this list, but you'd be hard-pressed to find a signal-caller who could help you win more games. Frazier won back-to-back national championships in 1994 and 1995, and he was Nebraska's bowl MVP for three straight seasons. On top of that, the College Football Hall of Famer also made both the Walter Camp and Sports Illustrated all-century teams, the only "B1G" quarterback to do so. His numbers weren't incredible, but some of the plays he made were. Just take a look at this run, for example.

2. Drew Brees, Purdue, 1998-2000: He left the Boilermakers as the Big Ten's career leader in pass attempts, completions, passing yards, total offense and passing TDs. He also left with two NCAA records and 19 school records. He's easily the B1G's best QB of the BCS era. He never won more than nine games, but he twice finished within the top 5 of the Heisman voting -- fourth in 1999 and third in 2000 -- and he was the starting signal-caller on The Big Lead's all-time Big Ten team. Said then-Michigan coach Lloyd Carr, back in 2000: "There's nothing he can't do."

3. Chuck Long, Iowa, 1982-1985: If you're looking for the most accurate passer on this list, look no further. Long was nearly automatic. He started four seasons, and he completed at least 61 percent of his passes every year. He even placed within the top-5 nationally in both completion percentage and passing TDs in both 1984 and 1985, and he was in the Heisman race both seasons -- finishing second in 1985, behind Bo Jackson, and seventh in 1984. He was just the second player in the nation to throw for more than 10,000 yards in his career (bowl games included). He also fared well in the win/loss department -- his career record was 35-13-1 -- but not as well as some other quarterbacks on this list.

4. Bob Griese, Purdue, 1964-1966: The former Miami Dolphin certainly made a name for himself back in college. He twice finished within the top 10 of the Heisman voting -- eighth as a junior and second as a senior -- and ended his college career on a high note by edging out USC in the Rose Bowl 14-13. It was the first time Purdue made the Rose Bowl and, to date, it's the only Rose Bowl the Boilermakers have won. Griese just seemed light-years ahead of his Big Ten competition. In both 1965 and 1966, he led the conference in the following categories: passing TDs, completion percentage, passing yards, completions, yards per attempt, pass efficiency and total yards. He even punted and kicked field goals during that time, too.

5. Troy Smith, Ohio State, 2004-2006: He's the most recent Big Ten player to win the Heisman, and he's the only true Big Ten quarterback to ever win the award. (Nebraska's Eric Crouch won it in 2001 outside of the Big Ten, which we didn't penalize him for, but he barely beat out Florida's Rex Grossman. Smith won in a landslide.) Smith was truly a versatile quarterback. In 2006, when he guided the Buckeyes to the national title game, he threw a conference-best 30 touchdown passes while completing a conference-best 65.3 percent of his passes. The year before? His passer rating was the fourth best in the nation, and he rushed for 611 yards and 11 touchdowns. Our own Adam Rittenberg named him the "B1G player of the decade."

Honorable mentions: Otto Graham, Northwestern; Art Schlichter, Ohio State; Eric Crouch, Nebraska; Benny Friedman, Michigan; Rick Leach, Michigan; Mark Herrmann, Purdue; Rex Kern, Ohio State
 
What the hell is Frazier doing on that list? He didn't even play in the B1G. Is this an effort by the B1G to show they're inclusive?

And it has been awhile since a B1G QB was drafted in the first-- but during that time they've had 2 of the top 20 QB's of all time.
 
What the hell is Frazier doing on that list? He didn't even play in the B1G. Is this an effort by the B1G to show they're inclusive?

And it has been awhile since a B1G QB was drafted in the first-- but during that time they've had 2 of the top 20 QB's of all time.
It has nothing to do with the B1G and everything to do with incompetence at ESPN. Their product is fading and it is fading fast.
 
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Tommy Frazier is the best of that list, no doubt. But he never played in the Big 10. He never even played in the Big 12, that's the Big 8's claim. It's only off season talk so it doesn't really matter, but you have to play in the conference to get credit in the conference. Same reason the big ten cannot claim Nebraska's national championships.
 
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He's the second best B10 quarterback according to that list.

Brady and Wilson do not belong near this list. The list is for Big Ten QBs, not NFL QBs.

I'm not convinced Brees is decidedly above Long.
 
The list is BS, as is most everything coming out of the self-proclaimed worldwide leader.

If this is an ALL-TIME list, then what about Iowa's RANDY DUNCAN (Heisman runnerup) and KENNY PLOEN? They were tremendous QBs who led Iowa to Rose Bowl wins and top 5 rankings in Evy's days. And Evy said Ploen was not only a great dual-threat at QB, he also was the Hawkeyes' best defensive back in the days of single platoon football.

I'd say research may not be Josh Moyer's strength, so no wonder he works for the E.

And I seem to recall a kid named Brad Banks who played for Iowa and was the Heisman runnerup as a senior, just like Chuck Long.

Duncan, Ploen, and Banks not even "Honorable Mention"?! That's completely moronic. If you're not familiar with Duncan and Ploen's Hawkeye careers, look them up.

Tommie Frazier...give me a break. What a crock. No wonder the E is upside down. The sooner the Big Ten cuts ties with them, the better.

BTW: Get ready to put CJ Beathard at the top of that list.
 
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Tommy Frazier is the best of that list, no doubt. But he never played in the Big 10. He never even played in the Big 12, that's the Big 8's claim. It's only off season talk so it doesn't really matter, but you have to play in the conference to get credit in the conference. Same reason the big ten cannot claim Nebraska's national championships.
Agreed, the list should include only the players that actually competed in the B1G.
 
I agree with those who state that if a player never played a B1G conference game, they should never be on this list.

It's great to see Iowa players making the first 2 "all time" lists; like many of you, I just think the Iowa players should be ranked higher because some Penn State and Nebby players should be ineligible since they never played in a B1G conference game.
 
It could be argued he's not even the best QB for Nebraska all-time.. I'm just sayin' so to say he's the best BIG 10 QB of all time when they weren't even in the BIG is just dumb. It's pretty amazing for Nebraska to have the greatest QB in conference history and have 0 conference titles.. He wouldn't have even been the best QB in the Big 12/8/whatever it was when he played..
 
It could be argued he's not even the best QB for Nebraska all-time.. I'm just sayin' so to say he's the best BIG 10 QB of all time when they weren't even in the BIG is just dumb. It's pretty amazing for Nebraska to have the greatest QB in conference history and have 0 conference titles.. He wouldn't have even been the best QB in the Big 12/8/whatever it was when he played..

I can agree that our players probably shouldn't be listed in these B1G lists (It's nice dominating the first two lists though :)), but your comment about him not being the best QB in the history of the Big 8/12 is pretty short-sighted.

I'm fairly certain that there isn't another QB in the Big 8/12 (and definitely not the B1G) with better credentials. Frazier played in 3 national title games (winning 2) and was MVP in all 3 of them; 2nd in the Heisman; QB on what is widely considered the best college football team in the history of the game; 1st Team All American.

Steve Davis of Oklahoma would be in the conversation, but I'm pretty sure he only won 1 MVP, and didn't finish in the Top 10 in Heisman voting.
 
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Looks like they are mostly going by stats. No way Frazier should be included on that list and yes, Brees should ahead of Chuck. That said, I do believe Chuck is easily top ten just not quite as high as they have him.
 
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