Is Israel Becoming a "Pariah State"?

[Jan Itor]

Genocide. Attacks on the ICC. The rise of a theocratic extreme right. Illegal settlements. Killing and banning journalists. ... And now they are attacking nations who support a 2-state solution (which is also the US position the last time I checked, but we won't actually do anything about it).

Ireland, Spain and Norway to recognise Palestinian state​

Irish leader declares ‘unequivocal support’ for two-state solution, as Israel recalls ambassadors from Dublin, Madrid and Oslo

Ireland, Spain and Norway to recognise Palestinian state

Irish PM declares ‘unequivocal support’ for two-state solution, as Israel recalls ambassadors from Dublin, Madrid and Oslo

www.theguardian.com

Israel-Gaza war live: Palestinian state should be realised through negotiations, White House says, as Norway, Ireland and Spain say they will recognise it​

Israel-Gaza war: Palestinian state should be realised through negotiations, White House says, as Norway, Ireland and Spain say they will recognise it – as it happened

Joe Biden does not believe unilateral recognition is the right path; Norwegian PM Jonas Gahr Støre said ‘there cannot be peace in the Middle East if there is no recognition’

www.theguardian.com

You Nazi!

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Dunno.

That conflict seems intractable.

Come on, now. If you are going to ask for answers, offer some of your own. No, it's not your job (or mine) but we can at least try. Let's get some ideas circulating.

 

[BrianNole777]

Come on, now. If you are going to ask for answers, offer some of your own. No, it's not your job (or mine) but we can at least try. Let's get some ideas circulating.

I don't have any. The problem is unsolvable, IMO.

If I were Palestinian, I'd try to immigrate.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

you don't think winning world war 2 would have given him reign over 90%+ of the jewish population on the planet?
His goal was to kill every one of them he could. The comparison of the two is stupid and childlike. They aren't comparable simply due to scale but to the fact one certainly would have happened given the opportunity and hitler was actually systematically exterminating people. Nowhere near what is happening

AGAIN:
What would happen if hamas/palestine laid down their weapons? What would happen if isreal laid down their weapons.
The comparison is absolutely stupid and intellectually dishonest.

LOL...not to the people in Gaza. That you don't recognize how the comparison can be made is an intellectual shortcoming on your part.

I'll also be interested in learning how Hitler would have had "reign over 90% of the Jewish population on the planet" when he couldn't even invade Great Britain. How - exactly - does he manage to subdue the Americas?

 

[BelemNole]

You're all idiots if you think there's a solution, or a "right" side.

Finally we agree. Now you're an 'anti-semite' too.

 

[tumorboy]

you don't think winning world war 2 would have given him reign over 90%+ of the jewish population on the planet?
His goal was to kill every one of them he could. The comparison of the two is stupid and childlike. They aren't comparable simply due to scale but to the fact one certainly would have happened given the opportunity and hitler was actually systematically exterminating people. Nowhere near what is happening

AGAIN:
What would happen if hamas/palestine laid down their weapons? What would happen if isreal laid down their weapons.
The comparison is absolutely stupid and intellectually dishonest.

Hamas doesn’t want to become the modern day Native Americans or Kurds. Having to accept whatever terms Israel gives them now and in the future. While Israel wants to expand its way of life without terror attacks. Crazy situation.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

LOL...not to the people in Gaza. That you don't recognize how the comparison can be made is an intellectual shortcoming on your part.

I'll also be interested in learning how Hitler would have had "reign over 90% of the Jewish population on the planet" when he couldn't even invade Great Britain. How - exactly - does he manage to subdue the Americas?

The comp is silly and trumpian.
I am still waiting on an answer to my question.
Let’s stick with your Nazi comp;
If the allies put their weapons down, would hitler have ended the war and stopped killing Jews?
In this comp Islam and hamas are the nazis and a much more apt comparison.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I don't have any. The problem is unsolvable, IMO.

If I were Palestinian, I'd try to immigrate.

How? Apply for permission from Israel? Who would take you?

 

[BrianNole777]

How? Apply for permission from Israel? Who would take you?

That's another problem with this conflict that's beyond my ability to solve.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

LOL...not to the people in Gaza. That you don't recognize how the comparison can be made is an intellectual shortcoming on your part.

I'll also be interested in learning how Hitler would have had "reign over 90% of the Jewish population on the planet" when he couldn't even invade Great Britain. How - exactly - does he manage to subdue the Americas?

America turned its back on the oppressed then; and is turning its back on the oppressed now.

Hey, at least we are consistent.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

America turned its back on the oppressed then; and is turning its back on the oppressed now.

Hey, at least we are consistent.

@BrianNole777 - You disagree?

 

[BrianNole777]

@BrianNole777 - You disagree?

Yeah.

The Jews were oppressed during the Holocaust (to say the least) so the state of Israel came about in response with American support.

 

[fezzador]

LOL...not to the people in Gaza. That you don't recognize how the comparison can be made is an intellectual shortcoming on your part.

I'll also be interested in learning how Hitler would have had "reign over 90% of the Jewish population on the planet" when he couldn't even invade Great Britain. How - exactly - does he manage to subdue the Americas?

If the Germans and Soviets had been able to at least temporarily put aside their ideological differences, and had Germany decided not to nullify the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact (which again stems from said ideological differences), the Allies would have been in a world of hurt.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

If the Germans and Soviets had been able to at least temporarily put aside their ideological differences, and had Germany decided not to nullify the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact (which again stems from said ideological differences), the Allies would have been in a world of hurt.

And if frogs had wings...

 

[hawkedoff]

What's your solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict?

Same as nazi Germany and the empire of Japan

 

[hawkedoff]

LOL...not to the people in Gaza. That you don't recognize how the comparison can be made is an intellectual shortcoming on your part.

I'll also be interested in learning how Hitler would have had "reign over 90% of the Jewish population on the planet" when he couldn't even invade Great Britain. How - exactly - does he manage to subdue the Americas?

You truly are a fool.

Hitler had plans to do all those things.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

It could be. If the day after plan is a permanent military occupation of Gaza. Said another way, if the Israeli right wing and Jewish supremacists get their way.

Wut?

 

[thewop]

Hitler couldn't "exterminate" the Jews...he could only try to wipe them out in the territory Germany controlled. He could kill them or drive them out through force and fear. Is that what Israel is trying to do to the Palestinians in the areas they control?

No, it's not what Israel is doing by any stretch. Israel wants Hamas gone, period. They have every right to make that happen by any means necessary because of what Hamas has shown itself to be time after time. You know, a majority of gazans support Hamas (AP). Remember, "civilian" means they don't wear a uniform, it doesn't mean "innocent woman or child," and when we're relying on Hamas to give us numbers, it also doesn't mean "not a terrorist."

 

[ThorneStockton]

Wut?

Could you help describe your confusion? Like is the entire concept of group supremacists new to you? Or is it just this particular group that's confounded you?

I find it really hard to believe you aren't familiar with the concept of white supremacists. Or even black supremacists, or Christian supremacists.

If so, take that concept, but substitute Jewish in for whatever group you're most familiar, and that's the idea.

For being a "both sides" guy, I'm surprised you aren't aware that there's supremacist groups on many sides.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Yeah.

The Jews were oppressed during the Holocaust (to say the least) so the state of Israel came about in response with American support.

There's exactly 1 Jewish state on the planet but that's too many for some.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

No, it's not what Israel is doing by any stretch. Israel wants Hamas gone, period. They have every right to make that happen by any means necessary because of what Hamas has shown itself to be time after time. You know, a majority of gazans support Hamas (AP). Remember, "civilian" means they don't wear a uniform, it doesn't mean "innocent woman or child," and when we're relying on Hamas to give us numbers, it also doesn't mean "not a terrorist."

I get it. Seriously. Kill 'em all, let Allah sort 'em out.

You don't have to convince me of what Israel's doing.

 

[ThorneStockton]

No, it's not what Israel is doing by any stretch. Israel wants Hamas gone, period. They have every right to make that happen by any means necessary because of what Hamas has shown itself to be time after time. You know, a majority of gazans support Hamas (AP). Remember, "civilian" means they don't wear a uniform, it doesn't mean "innocent woman or child," and when we're relying on Hamas to give us numbers, it also doesn't mean "not a terrorist."

For the sake of accuracy that poll is of Palestinians not just Gazans.

 

[thewop]

For the sake of accuracy that poll is of Palestinians not just Gazans.

For the sake of accuracy it breaks down Gaza vs. West Bank. Gaza is over 50% pro Hamas, West Bank over 80%.

 

[ThorneStockton]

For the sake of accuracy it breaks down Gaza vs. West Bank. Gaza is over 50% pro Hamas, West Bank over 80%.

Thanks, I didn't realize the article carried on. But since we're still going for accuracy, it seems you misattributed the poll again.

"At the same time, 44% in the West Bank said they supported Hamas, up from just 12% in September. In Gaza, the militants enjoyed 42% support, up slightly from 38% three months ago."

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Yeah.

The Jews were oppressed during the Holocaust (to say the least) so the state of Israel came about in response with American support.

That was after the war - after we infamously turned our backs on them.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Israel wants Hamas gone, period. They have every right to make that happen by any means necessary because of what Hamas has shown itself to be time after time.

It's the "by any means necessary" part that gives pause.

That's because "by any means necessary" so often translates to "by whatever means we feel like using."

 

[thewop]

Thanks, I didn't realize the article carried on. But since we're still going for accuracy, it seems you misattributed the poll again.

"At the same time, 44% in the West Bank said they supported Hamas, up from just 12% in September. In Gaza, the militants enjoyed 42% support, up slightly from 38% three months ago."

Going to have to scroll down more:

"Despite the devastation, 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack, the poll indicated."

We can split hairs all day, but the bottom line is there is SIGNIFICANT support among Gazans for Hamas. So we can't simply pretend it's Has and a bunch of innocent victims. It simply isn't so.

 

[ThorneStockton]

Going to have to scroll down more:

"Despite the devastation, 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack, the poll indicated."

We can split hairs all day, but the bottom line is there is SIGNIFICANT support among Gazans for Hamas. So we can't simply pretend it's Has and a bunch of innocent victims. It simply isn't so.

I don't disagree with your conclusion regarding the Hamas support - and you can call it splitting hairs - but you stated "support" not "correct in launching the October attack", that's two different items in the poll.

And regarding the 57% and 82% numbers who supported that sort of barbarism that occurred on 10/7, I'm not terribly surprised, people are prone to being radicalized and can justify anything. There's people who would justify Israel using any means necessary to complete their objectives too.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Going to have to scroll down more:

"Despite the devastation, 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack, the poll indicated."

We can split hairs all day, but the bottom line is there is SIGNIFICANT support among Gazans for Hamas. So we can't simply pretend it's Has and a bunch of innocent victims. It simply isn't so.

Is it reasonable to compare the shockingly high level of support for Hamas among Palestinians with the shockingly high level of support for Republicans among Americans?

How much of that, in each case, is down to echo chamber addiction and propaganda?

 

[Jan Itor]

Is it reasonable to compare the shockingly high level of support for Hamas among Palestinians with the shockingly high level of support for Republicans among Americans?

How much of that, in each case, is down to echo chamber addiction and propaganda?

You have no credibility at all! Comparing Hamas to Republicans? JFC!

 

[MichaelKeller99]

You hate to see it.

(CNN) — Wikipedia’s editors declared that the Anti-Defamation League cannot be trusted to give reliable information on the Israel-Palestine conflict, and they overwhelmingly said the ADL is an unreliable source on antisemitism. It’s a stunning rebuke to one of the world’s preeminent authorities on anti-Jewish hate and a significant advocate for the rights and causes of American Jews.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Genocide. Attacks on the ICC. The rise of a theocratic extreme right. Illegal settlements. Killing and banning journalists. ... And now they are attacking nations who support a 2-state solution (which is also the US position the last time I checked, but we won't actually do anything about it).

Ireland, Spain and Norway to recognise Palestinian state​

Irish leader declares ‘unequivocal support’ for two-state solution, as Israel recalls ambassadors from Dublin, Madrid and Oslo

Ireland, Spain and Norway to recognise Palestinian state

Irish PM declares ‘unequivocal support’ for two-state solution, as Israel recalls ambassadors from Dublin, Madrid and Oslo

www.theguardian.com

Israel-Gaza war live: Palestinian state should be realised through negotiations, White House says, as Norway, Ireland and Spain say they will recognise it​

Israel-Gaza war: Palestinian state should be realised through negotiations, White House says, as Norway, Ireland and Spain say they will recognise it – as it happened

Joe Biden does not believe unilateral recognition is the right path; Norwegian PM Jonas Gahr Støre said ‘there cannot be peace in the Middle East if there is no recognition’

www.theguardian.com

Israel is a pariah state with the pro Hamas crowd.

It is what it is...

 

[WDSMHAWK]

It's so hard to see why they have become a pariah state. I mean they are going against a terrorist group that uses human shields. Only the most despicable type of military does that sort of thing....

 

[Jan Itor]

It's so hard to see why they have become a pariah state. I mean they are going against a terrorist group that uses human shields. Only the most despicable type of military does that sort of thing....

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Such bullshit. Who in their right mind believes Hamas wouldn’t shoot a Palestinian to kill IDF forces. Twitter? Really?

 

[WDSMHAWK]

Such bullshit. Who in their right mind believes Hamas wouldn’t shoot a Palestinian to kill IDF forces. Twitter? Really?

That's the issue both Israel and Hamas use Palestinian civilians as human shields and neither side has a problem shooting through human shields.

 

[Jan Itor]

That's the issue both Israel and Hamas use Palestinian civilians as human shields and neither side has a problem shooting through human shields.

You comparing the two is idiotic at best.

 

[hawkedoff]

That's the issue both Israel and Hamas use Palestinian civilians as human shields and neither side has a problem shooting through human shields.

No they do not. Get this through your stupid antisemitic head. If Israel wanted to simply end all Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank they could do so by the end if next week.

You are a fool or evil. There isn't a different option. Wake the **** up and stop it

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

You comparing the two is idiotic at best.

How so?

 

[WDSMHAWK]

No they do not. Get this through your stupid antisemitic head. If Israel wanted to simply end all Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank they could do so by the end if next week.

You are a fool or evil. There isn't a different option. Wake the **** up and stop it

One of the good things about social media is that there is that you cannot cover up Netanyahu's war crimes.

 

[hawkedoff]

One of the good things about social media is that there is that you cannot cover up Netanyahu's war crimes.

You are full of shit.