Is it fair to say that KF cant lose the ISU game this year and keep his job?

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

and yet ISU has won 3 of the last 4.

And yet I'm inclined to inform you that I don't give a f***. One of the benefits to being a fan of the team that's won 15 in a row in the series and leads the overall head to head record by a solid two decades of football.

Kirk can retire but Iowa State will still be Iowa State and Iowa will still be > Iowa State. And this works well for not giving a f*** because ISU fans will always try to make their own arguments, but I don't give a f***...........

Friends?...

 

[ST8TAILG8R]

Yes...more than fair considering his record against them and our advantages over them in FB

And what are Iowa's advantages exactly? Weaker schedule? Bigger budget for overpaid coaches? Sure, I can certainly agree to that.

 

[ST8TAILG8R]

And yet I'm inclined to inform you that I don't give a f***. One of the benefits to being a fan of the team that's won 15 in a row in the series and leads the overall head to head record by a solid two decades of football.

Kirk can retire but Iowa State will still be Iowa State and Iowa will still be > Iowa State. And this works well for not giving a f*** because ISU fans will always try to make their own arguments, but I don't give a f***...........

Friends?...

Apathy: lack of interest, enthusiasm, or concern.

 

[JRHawk2003]

And what are Iowa's advantages exactly? Weaker schedule? Bigger budget for overpaid coaches? Sure, I can certainly agree to that.

More money, bigger fan base, better history, better facilities, better conference overall with more resources, better TV deals, etc. etc. etc.

 

[ST8TAILG8R]

More money

A true business person is focused on least cost of production, not most money. As a hawk fan do you feel you are getting your money's worth? Do you feel U of I is get tting their ROI on a budget $35+M more than ISU's?

bigger fan base, better history

I have to give credit where credit is due. Hayden Fry's career pounding of ISU brainwashed an entire generation. I could argue the pendulum is swinging back in ISU's favor and has been for years. But, ISU has done NOTHING to help in this regard, winning wise.

better facilities

This is debatable at best. What are your parameters for this?

better conference overall with more resources, better TV deals

Per 2014 Forbes: On a per-school basis, the Big Ten does best with $26.5 million per member school from TV deals, tourney play and bowls. But right on the Big Ten’s tail is the Big 12, which collected $26.2 million per member school from those three sources.

 

[JRHawk2003]

Its not what I feel. The UI has more resources period. You asked what the advantages were.

As for facilities. Kinnick is better than Trice and our new practice facility is light years ahead of what you have.

This map nicely illustrates Iowa's domination of the fanbase in this state.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/03/upshot/ncaa-football-map.html?_r=0

 

[ST8TAILG8R]

Its not what I feel. The UI has more resources period. You asked what the advantages were.

As for facilities. Kinnick is better than Trice and our new practice facility is light years ahead of what you have.

This map nicely illustrates Iowa's domination of the fanbase in this state.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/03/upshot/ncaa-football-map.html?_r=0

I completely disagree. Is there a lack of evidence or is the evidence lacking? I have have been to many games at both Kinnick and JTS. There are pro's and con's to both but one isn't head and shoulders better than the other. The new practice facilities are comparable with the exception of size (does that make it better?) and unnecessary amenities which Rhodes designed that way on purpose. Until you can give measureables that constitutes what makes these facilities better they are your opinion and nothing more. I would encourage you to come up with better sources than the NYT but in case you did not read my post i gave Iowa credit for the fan base discrepancy, for now.

 

[JRHawk2003]

Pure comic gold...you can always count on the clones....

Of course, only they would build a new section of empty seats

 

[tarantula5]

Put Iowa's players in Iowa State jerseys and have them go through the Big 12 and I don't think you would see that much of a difference to what Iowa State will do in the Big 12 this year.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

I completely disagree. Is there a lack of evidence or is the evidence lacking? I have have been to many games at both Kinnick and JTS. There are pro's and con's to both but one isn't head and shoulders better than the other. The new practice facilities are comparable with the exception of size (does that make it better?) and unnecessary amenities which Rhodes designed that way on purpose. Until you can give measureables that constitutes what makes these facilities better they are your opinion and nothing more. I would encourage you to come up with better sources than the NYT but in case you did not read my post i gave Iowa credit for the fan base discrepancy, for now.

Seriously take off the ketchup and mustard glasses. You take out your hill seats and now you are saying JTS and kinnick are equal. Go back read ESPN or other magazine does jack trice ever rack up there as hostile places. To play or top half of the conference in stadiums. Answer is no.

As for facilities helping with recruiting Iowa has 20 recruits. ISU has 2 2 star te and a juco player. You'd think they'd be rolling in the commitments with those equal facilities. Or maybe Rhoads is holding out for all the 4-5* players.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Put Iowa's players in Iowa State jerseys and have them go through the Big 12 and I don't think you would see that much of a difference to what Iowa State will do in the Big 12 this year.

Love this is the ISU Comeback for why they suck every year. The big 12 is so superior or our schedule is so tough. I'm sure Iowa could have managed more than 3 and 2 wins last 2 seasons. As for this season sure they could do better than an O fer in the conference or get to that ISU gold standard of 6 wins.

 

[thejazzcat]

A true business person is focused on least cost of production, not most money. As a hawk fan do you feel you are getting your money's worth? Do you feel U of I is get tting their ROI on a budget $35+M more than ISU's?

You're half right. A "true business person" understands that cost of production is only half of the equation, the other half being revenues. Obviously, a good business man is going to control all factors that drive expenses - costs of goods, salaries, productivity, capacity utilization, etc....but they will also clearly understand all factors that drive top line revenues. The fact is that until recently, the IA athletic department has been managed very well, as regards ROI. And contrary to the gist of your argument, IA's current problem isn't "cost of production", but top line revenue (ticket sales). Or put another way, KF's salary (while being an extremely poor contract) hasn't had a negative impact on the bottom line until top line revenues decreased.

 

[tarantula5]

Love this is the ISU Comeback for why they suck every year. The big 12 is so superior or our schedule is so tough. I'm sure Iowa could have managed more than 3 and 2 wins last 2 seasons. As for this season sure they could do better than an O fer in the conference or get to that ISU gold standard of 6 wins.

Maybe a few more wins, but probably more like 5-6 win seasons. They would be down there with Kansas and Texas Tech as the worst teams in the conference just like Iowa State. The results against average teams like Minnesota and Tennessee last year show Iowa is closer to Iowa State in talent then people want to realize.

 

[GoHawks001]

Love this is the ISU Comeback for why they suck every year. The big 12 is so superior or our schedule is so tough. I'm sure Iowa could have managed more than 3 and 2 wins last 2 seasons. As for this season sure they could do better than an O fer in the conference or get to that ISU gold standard of 6 wins.

+1 this Iowa would have won more than 3 games last year with ISU's schedule
And Iowas new facilities are better than the Cyclones. Saying that its just bigger and has unnecessary amenities is weak at best. Many that have been through the new Iowa football facilities have given high praise at how nice they are and how they are among the best in the big 10.
Iowa State under Ferentz just has our number, plain and simple. They dont have comarable talent (look at ammount of players drafted during this stretch) It's something that really bothers us as fans, but to say ISU has equal stadium, practice facilities, football complex , talent level is just wrong. They simply do more with less.

 

[Lone Clone]

Love this is the ISU Comeback for why they suck every year. The big 12 is so superior or our schedule is so tough. I'm sure Iowa could have managed more than 3 and 2 wins last 2 seasons. As for this season sure they could do better than an O fer in the conference or get to that ISU gold standard of 6 wins.

I don't think this is necessarily a "my conference is better than your conference" argument in this case. That's always debatable, and the performance of Big XII teams in the bowls last year was not impressive.

I think what we're talking about is the difference between the schedules played by Iowa and ISU last year and this year. Yes, the BiG had some outstanding teams. But Iowa didn't play many of them. Similarly, based on pre-season rankings, ISU will be playing a considerably more difficult schedule this year than Iowa.

Fans can't blame everything on that, of course. But the difficulty of the opposition can't be ignored, either.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Put Iowa's players in Iowa State jerseys and have them go through the Big 12 and I don't think you would see that much of a difference to what Iowa State will do in the Big 12 this year.

Yeah but that's only this year's team. Of course we won't do good. We're not gonna have a good team this year.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Apathy: lack of interest, enthusiasm, or concern.

Hey you're familiar with apathy too?!

Btw, you've just wasted your time posting all that nonsense about trying to show what Iowa State does better or is better than Iowa at. But as long as you recognize that you're wasting your time trying to prove something that is false then by all means proceed! Who am I to get the way of a Cyclone's attempt in futility.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

And yet I'm inclined to inform you that I don't give a f***. One of the benefits to being a fan of the team that's won 15 in a row in the series and leads the overall head to head record by a solid two decades of football.

Kirk can retire but Iowa State will still be Iowa State and Iowa will still be > Iowa State. And this works well for not giving a f*** because ISU fans will always try to make their own arguments, but I don't give a f***...........

Friends?...

im not an iswho fan... you should give a f''' iowa is losing to 2-10 teams. it is a very bad, no good sign as to the state of the program.

or the 50 pt drubbing by Minnehaha.

or the national embarassment that was this january's bowl game against a 6-6 team with 5 freshman starters.

you should give a f.

capiche?

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

im not an iswho fan... you should give a f''' iowa is losing to 2-10 teams. it is a very bad, no good sign as to the state of the program.

or the 50 pt drubbing by Minnehaha.

or the national embarassment that was this january's bowl game against a 6-6 team with 5 freshman starters.

you should give a f.

capiche?

Oh so you're just posting like you're not an Iowa fan because you're upset Iowa football is not winning enough games for your liking. Alrighty then.

Of course since that's the case, then I don't have to explain what my post meant. Since you ARE an Iowa fan after all....

Savvy?

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

saying thay Iowa is better than ISU is not saying much. ISU as a program is one of the worst in FBS. they have no tradition, low resources and a crappy fickle fan base. if ISU football shut down as a program tomorrow no one would notice. it just goes without saying Iowa is better than and a bigger time program than ISU.

The fact that they've won 3 of last 4 is hard to comprehend and is concerning.

 

[MadDogC]

And what are Iowa's advantages exactly? Weaker schedule? Bigger budget for overpaid coaches? Sure, I can certainly agree to that.

Sad about this situation is ISU going 3-1 against us in four years--19% of their wins in those seasons.

 

[HoustonHawkeye]

and yet ISU has won 3 of the last 4.

it's time for Kirk to retire, but his love of money trumps all.

So if you are going to use statistics, it is fair to say that ISU has barely beaten Iowa 3 out of the last 5 years. I am sure you would have used a 5 year period if ISU had won that game 5 years ago! So I say let's go back to 1977 when the series was renewed whenever we are talking about records!

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

if you had a $4 million dollar renewable winning lottery ticket would you just hand it in and say no thanks?

Kirk Ferentz is in a tough spot. he loves money but is killing the program and he doesnt even see it. We should recruit more small town walk ons to promote at safety or to return kicks. We should alienate our scholarship players by telling them that only practice matters and will determine PT instead of actual results on the field. It is not surprising the ridiculous attrition this program has suffered it's painfully obvious to the rest of college football they just look at Iowa and laugh.

Maybe Kirk can give ISWho another free game winning FG attempt this year over in Ames. Heck make it two in a row. Whatever we do dont defend the fake punt. We have a strong record there and quickly learn from our mistakes. that little problem only took 3 or 4 seasons to address.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

So if you are going to use statistics, it is fair to say that ISU has barely beaten Iowa 3 out of the last 5 years.

yes that is fair. does 2-3 against one of the worst FBS programs in the country make you feel better about it?

 

[SDHawkDoc]

It won't affect Ferentz status.

Now if there was also a loss to the other isu on the schedule as well, that might turn the heat up a bit.

 

[frydaze]

I look at it like this:

If we lost at Iowa State, even if we had beaten Illinois State the week before, it likely means a rough 2015 season for Ferentz and Iowa. So yes, I think the outcome of this year's game at Iowa State likely has major barring on whether KF is Iowa's coach in 2016.

A loss at ISU and no way can I see this Iowa team winning more than 5 or 6 games in 2015.....if that's the case, then I see a coaching change at the end of the season.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

I don't think this is necessarily a "my conference is better than your conference" argument in this case. That's always debatable, and the performance of Big XII teams in the bowls last year was not impressive.

I think what we're talking about is the difference between the schedules played by Iowa and ISU last year and this year. Yes, the BiG had some outstanding teams. But Iowa didn't play many of them. Similarly, based on pre-season rankings, ISU will be playing a considerably more difficult schedule this year than Iowa.

Fans can't blame everything on that, of course. But the difficulty of the opposition can't be ignored, either.

To me, these points should be obvious to all.

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

Unfortunately no. I think Kirk could lose at ISU this year, win 7 games, go to a bowl game, and still have his job.

 

[Lone Clone]

I look at it like this:

If we lost at Iowa State, even if we had beaten Illinois State the week before, it likely means a rough 2015 season for Ferentz and Iowa. So yes, I think the outcome of this year's game at Iowa State likely has major barring on whether KF is Iowa's coach in 2016.

A loss at ISU and no way can I see this Iowa team winning more than 5 or 6 games in 2015.....if that's the case, then I see a coaching change at the end of the season.

There is a chance ISU won't be all that terrible, actually. That is, there is a chance that the game at Ames will be among the more challenging half of games on the schedule -- on paper, it should be considerably more challenging than it was last year.

I don't think either ISU or Iowa is going to be particularly good this season. Which makes the game between the two of them more important to both.

 

[JRHawk2003]

Well, its less important because its not a conference game. In truth its no more important than Pitt or Ill State this year. I do think the ISU game matters more to some people than Maryland. I get that. Its just not more important. I think its huge this year because it truly will set the course of the season.

 

[lenoxhawk]

This.

The idea that the ISU game is somehow less important than Maryland or Purdue is just ridiculous beyond belief, and frankly shows just how out of touch he is with the average fan.

ISU will never be the most important game on the schedule, but it's always in the top 3-4 games that Iowa plays in any given year.

No it isn't. All conference games are more important than the ISU game unless you are an iowa state fan.

 

[lenoxhawk]

The Iowa fans that see the big picture know that the Iowa/Iowa State series should be ended.

 

[09Hawk]

Put Iowa's players in Iowa State jerseys and have them go through the Big 12 and I don't think you would see that much of a difference to what Iowa State will do in the Big 12 this year.

Are you suggesting the Big12 is better than the BigTen? I will remind you the BigTen champion beat the SEC champ and the Pac-12 champ and won the national championship. The BigTen went 5-5 in bowl games last year. The Big12 co-champ lost to the BigTen #2. The Big12 went 2-5 in bowl games.

 

[89and91]

I don't think this is necessarily a "my conference is better than your conference" argument in this case. That's always debatable, and the performance of Big XII teams in the bowls last year was not impressive.

I think what we're talking about is the difference between the schedules played by Iowa and ISU last year and this year. Yes, the BiG had some outstanding teams. But Iowa didn't play many of them. Similarly, based on pre-season rankings, ISU will be playing a considerably more difficult schedule this year than Iowa.

Fans can't blame everything on that, of course. But the difficulty of the opposition can't be ignored, either.

isu would have had a 2-10 record had they played Iowa's schedule. The KU outcome and Sagarin prove it.

But do tell us how wrong Sagarin is except when isu fans say so.

 

[tarantula5]

Are you suggesting the Big12 is better than the BigTen? I will remind you the BigTen champion beat the SEC champ and the Pac-12 champ and won the national championship. The BigTen went 5-5 in bowl games last year. The Big12 co-champ lost to the BigTen #2. The Big12 went 2-5 in bowl games.

Not necessarily suggesting that, more so suggesting the Big Ten that Iowa played last season and will play this season is not as good as the Big 12 . The Big Ten has 4 more teams and it wouldn't be hard to pick 4 big ten teams that aren't very good right now. Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana would probably be them. Iowa happens to have had all those teams on their schedule last year and this year, while missing Ohio State, Michigan State, Penn St., and Michigan. Every Big 12 team plays each team in the conference. If Iowa played TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas this year I don't think people would expect great results. Kansas State and West Virginia would be toss ups too. Probably would beat Texas Tech, games against Iowa State have shown that wouldn't be for sure though. Would beat Kansas.

 

[89and91]

Not necessarily suggesting that, more so suggesting the Big Ten that Iowa played last season and will play this season is not as good as the Big 12 . The Big Ten has 4 more teams and it wouldn't be hard to pick 4 big ten teams that aren't very good right now. Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana would probably be them. Iowa happens to have had all those teams on their schedule last year and this year, while missing Ohio State, Michigan State, Penn St., and Michigan. Every Big 12 team plays each team in the conference. If Iowa played TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas this year I don't think people would expect great results. Kansas State and West Virginia would be toss ups too. Probably would beat Texas Tech, games against Iowa State have shown that wouldn't be for sure though. Would beat Kansas.

isu in 2014 still goes 2-10 with Iowa's schedule.

 

[cg8284]

We won't fully understand how terrible KFs performances against ISU have been until he is gone and even in Iowa's bad years they still win by 20 points over ISU, while he can't even win 75% of the games against them with more talent over the past 10+ years.

 

[IACentralHawk73]

I think Iowa comes into Ames with a chip on their shoulders and plays lights out, as for ISU I'm not sure if they've improved greatly from a year ago. From my sources the passing game will improve but the running game is shady at best, their defense will be pretty inexperienced front 7 wise.

 

[clickhere 01]

The Iowa fans that see the big picture know that the Iowa/Iowa State series should be ended.

I guess i don't see the big picture. Why should the series be ended?

 

[lenoxhawk]

I guess i don't see the big picture. Why should the series be ended?

It would be better for the University of Iowa in every way.