Is relgion based on

[sadiehawkins]

An opinion. Really nothing fact based in religion. Everything is somebody's interpretation of something. That is basically a opinion. Why is what the pope says the word of God and not what Sadiehawkins says? Do ya really need to have rules in religion. Religion is like our justice system. We have rules and laws to live by if ya don t jail. Religion ya have rules and laws to live by ya don t hell bound. Both are man based concepts that are eerily similar. Only difference is nobody knows if ya go to hell but jail yes.

 

[Bonerfarts]

It's a long, long, long, game of telephone.

 

[thewop]

Depends if the ancient texts are fact or opinion I guess.

The more these things are researched though, the more the stories seem plausible, as places, geographic features, etc. are continually discovered that provide support to biblical depictions.

Now you can certainly draw lines between what's provable, faith, and religion, which are all very different.

 

[OhAdam]

My inherent problem with religion is that it serves to form tribes. Even when the message is all warm-and-fuzzy towards all things, it still serves to create a tribe. Once a tribe is created, tribal thinking is also created.

Occasionally I am challenged for my atheism. I always say that secular humanism is a better depiction of my spirituality. One of my defenses for my spirituality is that there is no tribe for this. If anything, it makes my tribe everyone. And, as such, I think it helps me actuate "liberty and justice for all" and similar sentiments.

Tribal thinking is a lot to blame, IMO, for how different lives get valued differently.

 

[BrianNole777]

An opinion. Really nothing fact based in religion. Everything is somebody's interpretation of something. That is basically a opinion. Why is what the pope says the word of God and not what Sadiehawkins says? Do ya really need to have rules in religion. Religion is like our justice system. We have rules and laws to live by if ya don t jail. Religion ya have rules and laws to live by ya don t hell bound. Both are man based concepts that are eerily similar. Only difference is nobody knows if ya go to hell but jail yes.

There's lots of fact based stuff in religion. Modern people think religion is all myth but the founders were real people mostly: Jesus, Mohammad, Buddha, etc.

Lots of stuff is based on opinion: politics is one. And everyone has their own opinion.

 

[hawkirugged17]

 

[sadiehawkins]

Depends if the ancient texts are fact or opinion I guess.

The more these things are researched though, the more the stories seem plausible, as places, geographic features, etc. are continually discovered that provide support to biblical depictions.

Now you can certainly draw lines between what's provable, faith, and religion, which are all very different.

Mohammed going to the mountain that is reasonable and easy to see it as fact. but saying that a bush exploded in flames now that ain t reasonable so I need a little proof now. Not a opinion.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Depends if the ancient texts are fact or opinion I guess.

The more these things are researched though, the more the stories seem plausible, as places, geographic features, etc. are continually discovered that provide support to biblical depictions.

Historical fiction is still fiction.

 

[TJ8869]

The only thing I know for certain about religion is that regardless of what the real truth is, at least 6 billion people are wrong.

 

[BNIBoiler]

Just read the King James version of the Bible for yourself. You don't need any interpretation from anyone. All the facts you need are right there.

 

[Aardvark86]

It's a long, long, long, game of telephone.

Blessed are the cheese makers

Seriously though, while it is indeed a long game, there’s actually a surprising amount of original and first connection source material you can consult

 

[markfromj]

Just read the King James version of the Bible for yourself. You don't need any interpretation from anyone. All the facts you need are right there.

Not one fact there.

 

[markfromj]

Religion exists because there are questions we cannot answer.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

There's lots of fact based stuff in religion. Modern people think religion is all myth but the founders were real people mostly: Jesus, Mohammad, Buddha, etc.

Lots of stuff is based on opinion: politics is one. And everyone has their own opinion.

david koresch was real. so was joeseph smith. Real people are real fallible.

 

[InsaneHawkJJP]

 

[THE_DEVIL]

Relgion is based on need.

 

[BrianNole777]

david koresch was real. so was joeseph smith. Real people are real fallible.

Yeah.

We can compare and contrast them jist like other historical figures.

 

[Jim Grizzly]

Religion is based on the human curse of consciously knowing you'll die like any other animal. It's a terrifying thing to live with and many people need to gaslight themselves.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Yeah.

We can compare and contrast them jist like other historical figures.

But you really can't. The stories of jesus are second hand accounts, many of which conflict. Men chose which stories were ok.

 

[JustSayOV]

Religion is based on the human curse of consciously knowing you'll die like any other animal. It's a terrifying thing to live with and many people need to gaslight themselves.

While I can agree with the premise of this statement....on the other side of that would be WHY are we the only living creature to have this consciousness?

I think that question along with your statement don't have to be mutually exclusive.....one belief can lead to another

 

[BrianNole777]

But you really can't. The stories of jesus are second hand accounts, many of which conflict. Men chose which stories were ok.

OK.

We can study Joseph Smith, Mohammad, David Koresh, etc.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

Government and religion are both fear-based, man-made creations to keep people in line.

One's as useless as the other though billions have convinced themselves otherwise.

 

[InsaneHawkJJP]

While I can agree with the premise of this statement....on the other side of that would be WHY are we the only living creature to have this consciousness?

I think that question along with your statement don't have to be mutually exclusive.....one belief can lead to another

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Religion exists because there are questions we cannot answer.

9 - 3 ÷ 1/3 +1 = GOD

 

[LuciousBDragon]

The stories of jesus are second hand accounts, many of which conflict.

Can you cite said contradictions? And, the parables of Christ are first-hand accounts (written by scribes). There’s a difference.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

OK.

We can study Joseph Smith, Mohammad, David Koresh, etc.

agree, joseph learned well. A conman recognized a great con when he saw one.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Government and religion are both fear-based, man-made creations to keep people in line.

One's as useless as the other though billions have convinced themselves otherwise.

Of course government is fear based and 100% necessary. Imagine a world where october 7th was the norm. The rule by strength and numbers is a horrific way to live, that's the alternative. Yeah you should fear that.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

Of course government is fear based and 100% necessary. Imagine a world where october 7th was the norm. The rule by strength and numbers is a horrific way to live, that's the alternative. Yeah you should fear that.

Ironic.

 

[OhAdam]

9 - 3 ÷ 1/3 +1 = GOD

≠ 69 so eff off, bud

 

[alaskanseminole]

So when I goes to heaven will I

1. know if my significant other will make it and how will I handle it if he don t? How will you deal with it if it happens to u. 2. Or do u forget about your past life? 3. I would suspect there s alot of disappotment in heaven because your whole family ain t Makin it. 4. So what gives do ya...

iowa.forums.rivals.com

...and again

Why do poor people attend church where the

Rich rule? Seems crazy to me. But most church people are sheep incapable of dealing with the truth. What ya call a person talking to his invisible friend? Crazy. What do ya call a group of people talking to a invisible freind? A church.

iowa.forums.rivals.com

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Should churches be allowed to obtain wealth.

Why should churches be allowed to sit on huge amounts of cash and be allowed tax exempt status? To further a political agenda. I have a rich catholic sister who I asked u think jesus js hanging out with u.. show me where he is frolicking with the rich on a beach somewhere

iowa.forums.rivals.com

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If you died today, do you think you'd go to Heaven, Purgatory or Hell?

I think I'd probably do a few thousand years in Purgatory. Based on your actions, where do you think you'd go?

iowa.forums.rivals.com

...and again

How earth was made

So carbon water on asteroid that is 4.5 billion Yrs old.. Does this debunk God created eveything? How will religion start bending their beliefs to incorporate this scientific discovery?

iowa.forums.rivals.com

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What % of the Actual Church Going Public Believe in a Virgin Birth, Burning Bushes, etc.?

50%? 25%? When you are sitting there in a pew, how does one reconcile this?

iowa.forums.rivals.com

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Question on bible

Is there a part of the Bible that talks about after the snake knocked up eve? What happened after that? To get where we are today. god had to allow inbreeding. How did earth become populated?

iowa.forums.rivals.com

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Are you religious?

Just curious about what the board thinks on religion and God. Me, personally, I was raised Lutheran but my parents weren’t too serious about it. Now, I’m kinda like whatever. I honestly go back and forth on whether religion has done more harm than good. The Bible is full of insane, unbelievable...

iowa.forums.rivals.com

 

[BrianNole777]

agree, joseph learned well. A conman recognized a great con when he saw one.

Joseph Smith had 40 wives. Some were 14 years old.

He also was arrested 40 times for crimes like bank fraud.

 

[markfromj]

Government and religion are both fear-based, man-made creations to keep people in line.

One's as useless as the other though billions have convinced themselves otherwise.

Government is not useless.

 

[Hawki97]

Government is not useless.

But it's expensive.

$32T

 

[BNIBoiler]

Can you cite said contradictions? And, the parables of Christ are first-hand accounts (written by scribes). There’s a difference.

He can't because he never read the Bible. There are absolutely no contradictions in the Bible.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

Government is not useless.

You're technically correct.

Government is < useless.

 

[Titanhawk2]

An opinion. Really nothing fact based in religion. Everything is somebody's interpretation of something. That is basically a opinion. Why is what the pope says the word of God and not what Sadiehawkins says? Do ya really need to have rules in religion. Religion is like our justice system. We have rules and laws to live by if ya don t jail. Religion ya have rules and laws to live by ya don t hell bound. Both are man based concepts that are eerily similar. Only difference is nobody knows if ya go to hell but jail yes.

I guess, if you've never really looked into it yourself, that's the lazy assessment

 

[BrianNole777]

You're technically correct.

Government is < useless.

What about military, police and firemen?

That's all government.

Are they "useless?"

 

[NoleATL]

An opinion. Really nothing fact based in religion. Everything is somebody's interpretation of something. That is basically a opinion. Why is what the pope says the word of God and not what Sadiehawkins says? Do ya really need to have rules in religion. Religion is like our justice system. We have rules and laws to live by if ya don t jail. Religion ya have rules and laws to live by ya don t hell bound. Both are man based concepts that are eerily similar. Only difference is nobody knows if ya go to hell but jail yes.

"Faith", not fact.

 

[bdcolt45er]

Can you cite said contradictions? And, the parables of Christ are first-hand accounts (written by scribes). There’s a difference.

Can you point to evidence if scribes recording first hand accounts of Jesus?

My understanding Christianity emerged out of oral tradition which was later codified as a written tradition.

 

[LuciousBDragon]

Can you point to evidence if scribes recording first hand accounts of Jesus?

My understanding Christianity emerged out of oral tradition which was later codified as a written tradition.

Some of the gospels are dated to with 2-4 decades after Christ was resurrected. That is easily within the lifespan for the disciples. John’s account (written circa 90AD) is clearly a first-hand accounting with some very personal affections recorded. The book of Acts clearly shows written prior to 70AD and possibly started before 62AD (death of Paul not recorded nor the destruction of Jerusalem).

Then you have some of the Apostolic Fathers (later 1st and 2nd century AD) who many academics assert met some of the original 12 disciples (and recorded their lives in the early church and their deaths). Clearly second-hand accounts of Christ but 1st person accounts of the disciples who witnessed Jesus.