Is tipping getting out of control? Yes! 100x YES!
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I tip in all these scenarios, but for this discussion, is she make minimum wage or more or is she making the sub-minimum wage earned by servers who traditionally get tips?
Base pay is less than minimum wage, but with her share of tips from the pool it’s typically around $20-21/hr.
Fvcking cheapskates. You know how little these people make? Throw em a few bucks. At least they’re contributing to society vs the garbage ass motherfvckers that game the welfare system or beg for handouts on the corner.
Maybe this should be introduced to the professional world. At the end of an engaging teams or zoom call, everybody can get a pop up option to tip the presenter.
Yep, if they are a server making server wages, and that is frequently still the case with a takeout order which is packed up by servers or bartenders, then I tip. And more than I ever did.
Also with take out, even if the person handling takeout isn't technically making sub minimum wage, it is frequently a server who is accustomed to making $100-150 per night, and then got pulled into the takeouts and paid $8 or whatever. Which still sucks. So they get a tip.
But I'm totally out on tips at places for people not making server wages. I feel zero obligation to help a high school kid go from $14 to $25 an hour to punch buttons. The only exception is on a rare occasion where we have some kind of complicated order and ask for substitutions or something, or asked questions about the menu or whatever.
Also with take out, even if the person handling takeout isn't technically making sub minimum wage, it is frequently a server who is accustomed to making $100-150 per night, and then got pulled into the takeouts and paid $8 or whatever. Which still sucks. So they get a tip.
But I'm totally out on tips at places for people not making server wages. I feel zero obligation to help a high school kid go from $14 to $25 an hour to punch buttons. The only exception is on a rare occasion where we have some kind of complicated order and ask for substitutions or something, or asked questions about the menu or whatever.
It's just in case you feel you should leave more than 20% for big outings. Let's say you have 12 people for a big work outing, everyone is drinking and you're there for over 2 hours with the waitress getting drinks every 10 to 15 minutes for different people. Should be tipping 30% when you do something like that, at least.
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My fight with tipping is that it has just become a way for restaurant owners to have their wage cost subsidized. They shouldn’t be able to pay them $2.75 an hour (or whatever it’s at now) and then outsource the rest of their wages to their customers.
If the service was horrible, why should I be obligated to help pay their wages if the owner won’t cover them?
Tips should be for decent to good service, not out of guilt because everyone knows they make nothing otherwise…
If the service was horrible, why should I be obligated to help pay their wages if the owner won’t cover them?
Tips should be for decent to good service, not out of guilt because everyone knows they make nothing otherwise…
It does seem like more and more places are asking for a tip. I couldn't believe it when the subway card machine started asking me if I wanted to leave a tip for fast food.
Maybe we should start adopting what other countries do. . . make the places pay their employees a full wage, include that wage as the part of the bill and don't expect customers to pay their wages via tips.
Maybe we should start adopting what other countries do. . . make the places pay their employees a full wage, include that wage as the part of the bill and don't expect customers to pay their wages via tips.
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I mean really think about it, compensation is usually one of the top costs for a business…if we can pass some laws to enable all employers to pay less for “tipped” employees…companies can expand margins! Checkout person at Target, hand over a tip! Waste management driver, better put some gratuity on that garbage bill!
... Or the wealthy who earn passive income without creating anything for society, take advantage of public infrastructure and tax breaks, pay historically low wages as a percentage of executive pay
Yeah, but these days, they, Walmart and every grocery store are pushing HARD for people to scan n bag for themselves. And at .10 per plastic bag out here now.
Comment posted as though the majority of people looking at the | 'No Tip' | '15%' | '18%' | '20%' | screen makes as much as or more than the person standing on the other side of it. When the reality is, most people looking at that screen are teachers, sanitation workers, janitors, bus drivers, etc. barely making ends meet themselves and now they're expected to tip for their fast food.
Why? The tip will go up considerably with the bar tab. Every round likely increases the tip by $10-$14 at 20%. Plus it’s a hell of a lot easier getting drinks than writing out 12 food orders. Same people pounding alcohol for 2-3 hours is a lot more tip money than rotating the table 5-6 times.
I feel they deserve more, that's my why. I know how tough those jobs can be and respect them. 20% is a minimum for me in the last 5 to 7 years. 25 to 30 is pretty standard.
One of those where while in line you're pissed and thinking to yourself "this is BS and they can go F themselves if they think they're getting a tip" .. but when the moment comes we still tip.They had those electronic payment devices that prompt you to tip at the Cheez-It Bowl.
I stood in line for a $12 beer and missed half of the third quarter and you want a freaking tip?
I gave 20%.
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A distinction - the hostess (or whoever) makes minimum wage at a minimum unlike a waitress who makes chump change and depends on tips.
I don’t think that’s always true.
My daughter makes less than minimum wage (which is now $13.65 or something here) but more than the servers. But she gets less of a share of the tip pool than the servers.
My side hustle is waiting tables, and I would much rather stick with the current model of compensation. If restaurants paid their servers a “full wage”, it wouldn’t come close to what a good server can make in tips.
Leaving unreasonably large tips gets some people off for some reason. There’s no use in fighting it
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My qualm isn’t with good servers…the fact is that even if the service is horrendous you are now essentially required to tip 20%….because you know the person waiting tables is getting nothing…regardless of how good the service is…
I will say that I used to tip more for exceptional service….now everyone gets the same….because it has nothing to do with service…the expectation is you’re paying their wage.
Fair enough. ^^ But the way the ticket was laid out did NOT make that clear at all, it seemed like a shady attempt to "double dip" on the tip.
Also, FWIW, in the most recent example that I am referring to it was a buffet style food representation, so not a lot of personal service, and the drinks were being served by a bartender. People had to go over and get them themselves, so not high intensity personal service.
I am all about tipping well for those that are actually doing something to earn it.
It's not like a dude picking up a sub or burger or pizza is a oligarch himself. So maybe a customer who had to fight traffic, burn fuel, and walk all the way to the restaurant to pick up the order could also place a reciprocal tip jar on the counter. Then both customer and restaurant would have the option to tip each other whatever amount they think the other deserves. Reciprocal tipping is the future.
Use to be 15%. Now 20%. Now some are suggesting 30%.
I hit the 20% button. That’s my line in the sand.
Somebody waiting on 4 couples an hour at an average place where the bill comes to $50. That’s $40 an hour in tips.
That’s a pretty damn good gig and likely my estimates on tables and bill amount is very low.
If somebody is waiting on tables and not doing at least that I suggest they polish their skills and find a restaurant to upgrade to.
I hit the 20% button. That’s my line in the sand.
Somebody waiting on 4 couples an hour at an average place where the bill comes to $50. That’s $40 an hour in tips.
That’s a pretty damn good gig and likely my estimates on tables and bill amount is very low.
If somebody is waiting on tables and not doing at least that I suggest they polish their skills and find a restaurant to upgrade to.
I will never be disappointed in a 20% tip, and any server that is needs a serious dose of perspective. I’m not a fan of the “suggested tip” being increased, I think it’s presumptuous and might have the opposite effect.
If your budget is so tight you can’t afford to tip 15% on a 10 dollar order, probably shouldn’t be getting fast food in the first place.,
What if the person has budgeted for the average cost of a happy meal. Now that budget is no longer valid.
Additionally, this isn't really about actual cost, it's about the principle of it. These point-of-sale machines are redefining what a tip is. You see that, right? Read my Post #24.
Remember those guys that used to sit in bathrooms and ask for tips? I never understood those fellas. Shitty job.
Lol....that certainly was a bad typo......Well, go ahead and go balls deep then tiny.
Heh. This guy's heart "bleeds" for the working poor.
Unless they are too poor to tip 15% for fast food handed to them over the counter. No fast food for you, Poors! Stay home and eat gruel.
This is where I am at. F tipping. Abolish the whole dang system. Build the cost into the menu and pay the people decent wages.
Frankly, we don't eat out anymore because it is not worth the time or the hassle. The food generally isn't any better than what we can make at home and the service more often then not sucks. So add in the aggravation of a 20% tip on top of the bill for what has turned into dogshit food and dogshit service. Yeah, I'm out.
Seems like you should receive a tip from the store for bagging your own groceries. When is HyVee going to add that feature to the checkout kiosk? 15% off for scanning and bagging my own groceries, 20% if I do an exceptional job.
I think I would flip a lid if I got charged 10 cents per bag used and they made me bag my own groceries.
There is one restaurant here that went to this model and when they transitioned to this model, they put up signs in the restaurant to notify customers. The servers also make sure to make the customer aware.
Their website also has the following information: Our Fair Wage culture means moving forward, our menu prices will include a living wage, paid time off, health insurance, and the opportunity to earn a Cool Moose scholarship for those that have college or trade school aspirations. We no longer expect guests to tip our team members under this model, and if you do decide to tip them 100% of tips will go back to our hourly employees. Thank you for joining us in this innovative way to see our team members succeed economically.
I was there, a cheeseburger and fries were $40!
The place isn't cheap but I wouldn't think a burger and fries with a drink would be more than $25.
I was just thinking about tipping the other day and two things came to mind:
I) At one time, wasn't 11% the accepted tip rate? When did it go up to 15% and now 20%?
II) Why would the rate change? the tips would get bigger over time as prices increased. So tipping has the double inflation of the increasing food prices AND the rate going up from 11% to 15% and now it seems 20% is expected.
I) At one time, wasn't 11% the accepted tip rate? When did it go up to 15% and now 20%?
II) Why would the rate change? the tips would get bigger over time as prices increased. So tipping has the double inflation of the increasing food prices AND the rate going up from 11% to 15% and now it seems 20% is expected.
no it was never 11%. at least not in my lifetime and I'm 47. Was always taught to tip 15.
it's up to 20% now because things change over time. as they should.
