Now that's just dumb, and I'm a big tipper. They already charge me $300 bucks for doing my taxes, then I'm suppose to pay them another $100. F that.
Is tipping getting out of control? Yes! 100x YES!
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I feel like maybe your sarcasm meter is broken.
I left a 20 in my room at the JW Marriott in New Orleans after reading this thread so I can see OP’s head explode.
One area that I feel like I can clear up is this...anyone that will stand out in the Las Vegas heat in full costume, ie. Chewbacca, Elvis, Incredible Hulk, etc, freaking DESERVES the best tip that any of us can muster as we make our way past these dedicated souls.
It would be brutal to stand out there all day long getting fried in the heat even if you WEREN'T in costume, let alone in full garb so as to entertain the passersby. I gave Chewy $20 the last time I saw him...and I should have dug deeper. He had to be sweating off 15 pounds a day out there! Just trying to help here.
Nothing wrong with that at all. Heck, I gave our mail carrier $100 last Christmas. I think thank you tips for great service are fantastic. Sorry you've missed the point.
You gave a US Postal worker who earns a nice salary and has great retirement and health benefits a tip?
Do you tip the lady at the DMV?
Actually, tipping government workers is illegal. The $100 you tipped should have been refused.
3.101 Standards of Conduct
For postal workers the gift limit is $20
I sure did. Put a $100 in a Christmas Card.
Then in january, she went on long-term disability leave and our neighborhood took up a collection of food and monetary donations and presented it to her two weeks ago. It was pretty awesome. She's a great human.
It's at the point where service workers look so unhappy in some places that I don't even want to deal with them. I get that the economics don't work out in NYC, Boston, or D.C. to be a server, that's not my fault
One area that I feel like I can clear up is this...anyone that will stand out in the Las Vegas heat in full costume, ie. Chewbacca, Elvis, Incredible Hulk, etc, freaking DESERVES the best tip that any of us can muster as we make our way past these dedicated souls.
It would be brutal to stand out there all day long getting fried in the heat even if you WEREN'T in costume, let alone in full garb so as to entertain the passersby. I gave Chewy $20 the last time I saw him...and I should have dug deeper. He had to be sweating off 15 pounds a day out there! Just trying to help here.
OK wait. The Chewy guy was extremely aggressive last time I was in Vegas.
I ran into one of those guys in the Grand Canyon dressed as something like a Minion. I kid you not. It was like 115 degrees too. I was impressed.
I happened to be walking down a side street there one time and I was just behind the Hulk. He appeared to heading home for the day and he was SOAKING wet from sweat, he could not have been wetter if he had just gotten out of a pool. He looked totally whipped from a day in the sun...it was then that I realized the ultimate sacrifice that these actors make...every day...just for our entertainment. Mad respect Hulk, mad respect!!
The disability thing is a nice gesture. Just understand your $100 Christmas gift puts the USPS worker in an awkward position and could technically cause them to be reprimanded or cost them their job.
They made and served your wife coffee. If that's not worth .65 cents to you thats fine, to me it is. If I go to a nice restaurant and the bill is $120, I tip for the waitress taking my order, dropping my food off, and checking on our drinks a couple times. That isnt worth $25 for that hour, but I'm obligated to leave 20% for that.
This thread made me have this thought about tipping. Why is a waitress worth 20%. They make $3 an hour and probably average 2-3 tables an hour. If every table averages $35 (very conservatively) that's an additional $16-20 an hour. So waitresses are making $19-23 an hour and that's fine, but .50- 1.00 to someone making $13 to take your order, make your food/beverage, then hand it to you isnt?
I'd venture most places are already including wages in their menu prices. For owners to pay them more, then the menu prices are going to go up, not sure what that solves.
IMHO, most good servers would prefer making $3.00/hr plus tips vs. getting minimum wage only.
Traveling last weak in Florida we dined in a couple restaurants that applied 18% auto tip on parties 5+ (we had 7).
That seems pretty small of a group to me.
That seems pretty small of a group to me.
In all seriousness, thank you for bringing that to my attention. I honestly did not know. We were just trying to show appreciation for someone who is clearly becoming an integral part of our small community.
Unintended consequences. Thank Congress for the law.
Yeah this makes sense. Also isn't there already a minimum wage that the employer has to pay if tips don't reach a certain amount?
I'm not that liberal these days but why can't they be paid minimum wage? I understand the whole cost increase result, but my God, with the lack of help these days they work pretty darn hard. It's criminal to be paid $3 an hour in today's world. Your bill goes up a couple or few bucks and you aren't compelled to tip but you certainly can if you desire to reward good service.
Sounds like you define service simply as an act of doing something (paid wage), whereas I define it as the art or quality of the service. If you get out to your car and you're missing napkins, ketchup packets and they dropped the wrong sandwich in the bag, will you return to the counter and request your tip back?
As to your example, you're not obligated to leave 20%....those percentages are supposed to be based on the quality of the service. If you had bad service, maybe only leave 10% and if it's amazing, maybe 20-25%.
A waitress isn't always worth 20%. Have you not experienced a 5% waitress vs a 20+% waitress? I know I have. As far as I'm concerned, the cost of the employ squirting the coffee into the cup, the cashier running the cereal box across the scanner, or the shoe salesman bringing me the correct shoe size from the back has been built into the cost of the item and the employee is compensated via wages.
I'll sum it up like this. If I'm hired to stock shelves at Lowes, I'm not thinking I'm going to get paid extra if I wander around the store looking for people to assist with heavy items, or finding the right sized bolt. Conversely, if I'm hired to wait tables, I know that how well I serve the establishment's customers is 100% tied to how much I make.
In then end, though, we'll have to respectfully agree to disagree.
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That $.50-$1.00 "tip" is a subsidization for the business owner. Pay your employees.
So is a waitresses tip. Maybe restaurants should pay their employees more, but we all know that's not happening. I wish every restaurant, fast food place, coffee shop, etc would just raise their prices by 20%, pay the employees more, and do away with tipping. But again, that's not happening.
I've tipped everyone generously since covid. I can afford it and they're in crappy service jobs. All you screaming about changing how business are run are ridiculous. No one is going to change - why should I take that out on the poor schlep who is scooping my ice cream?
Wife and I were out for food last week and I tipped someone 50%. I won't miss it, and it probably made their day.
Wife and I were out for food last week and I tipped someone 50%. I won't miss it, and it probably made their day.
Not all heros used to wear capes, some still do, but some used to too.I happened to be walking down a side street there one time and I was just behind the Hulk. He appeared to heading home for the day and he was SOAKING wet from sweat, he could not have been wetter if he had just gotten out of a pool. He looked totally whipped from a day in the sun...it was then that I realized the ultimate sacrifice that these actors make...every day...just for our entertainment. Mad respect Hulk, mad respect!!
Our top bartender makes about $42-$48/HR. Not all service jobs are created equal
I doubt the manager's salary is anywhere near that, so I'd venture it's with tips.
I took a huge pay cut when I went from bartender to manager in my younger years.
This Article Lays it Out Well
"To that point, 22% of respondents said when they’re presented with various suggested tip amounts, they feel pressured to tip more than they normally would, according to Creditcards.com.
“They use those options as an indication of what the normative range is and feel compelled to tip within that range. So the more you ask, the more you get,” said Mike Lynn, a professor of consumer behavior and marketing at Cornell University’s School of Hotel Administration."
"To that point, 22% of respondents said when they’re presented with various suggested tip amounts, they feel pressured to tip more than they normally would, according to Creditcards.com.
“They use those options as an indication of what the normative range is and feel compelled to tip within that range. So the more you ask, the more you get,” said Mike Lynn, a professor of consumer behavior and marketing at Cornell University’s School of Hotel Administration."
I’m in Paris at the moment, it’s so nice after a meal, cab ride, cafe stop, etc., to not have to deal with gratuity. It’s a simple transaction and the server knows they are being paid accordingly.
I was explaining to my 12 y/o son that for many of these people , it’s their full time job and they make a livable wage.
I was explaining to my 12 y/o son that for many of these people , it’s their full time job and they make a livable wage.
I was asked to leave a tip at an automated car wash. Fvck no! Yes tipping in the US is out of control. This stupidity American made.
I went out to eat today and the server was a miserable grump. Nothing particularly wrong with the service but she was one of those joyless servers who made you feel like you were asking her for favors. I wanted to knock the tip way down but my wife insisted on 20%. I don’t get it.
I notice that their is a transition taking place in the fast food industry. As we gradually replace their workforce of "Entry-level" workers with people who actually have monetary obligations such as rent and car payments, there is pressure to somehow increase the incomes in the industry.
So far, the minimum wage has been driven higher by economic forces (not so much through legislative efforts), but it clearly still lags what is required for the industry to remain a viable employment option for anyone older than ... say 14 or 15 who is not living at their parents' home.
This drive to tip fast food workers is born of the above and will continue to grow, at least until those stores are back to being open with a full staff for 24 hour stretches.
I am for this happening sooner rather than later, so I always throw a buck and a bit of change into the tip jar.
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We are back into an inflationary economy. Lots of market forces are being stressed as the politicians continue to attempt to fool those at the bottom of the food chain. The existence of this thread shows that they are not quite that stupid and are unwilling to wait around to be helped.
Right now, the choice is to either lower the minimum age for work or joining a mass drive to tip fast food workers ... if we really want to get out in front of these forces, that is.
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All of our newly minted citizenship aspiring workers have obligations as well, so supporting a population of illegal immigrants may not be as cheap as everyone assumes. Whomever came up with opening the borders as a way to keep the price of hamburgers cheap is stupid as well ... certainly more stupid than those who flogged the idea.
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All of this nonsense tracks back to all of that printed money that is out there floating around. Our economy is no longer in balance when it comes to pricing for merchandise, services, and food. A lot more dislocation is still ahead.
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Do your part: So far it is only a dollar or so to tip someone for making you a hamburger. "Standing your ground" on this issue is a quaint 1970"s idea.
So far, the minimum wage has been driven higher by economic forces (not so much through legislative efforts), but it clearly still lags what is required for the industry to remain a viable employment option for anyone older than ... say 14 or 15 who is not living at their parents' home.
This drive to tip fast food workers is born of the above and will continue to grow, at least until those stores are back to being open with a full staff for 24 hour stretches.
I am for this happening sooner rather than later, so I always throw a buck and a bit of change into the tip jar.
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We are back into an inflationary economy. Lots of market forces are being stressed as the politicians continue to attempt to fool those at the bottom of the food chain. The existence of this thread shows that they are not quite that stupid and are unwilling to wait around to be helped.
Right now, the choice is to either lower the minimum age for work or joining a mass drive to tip fast food workers ... if we really want to get out in front of these forces, that is.
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Related:
All of our newly minted citizenship aspiring workers have obligations as well, so supporting a population of illegal immigrants may not be as cheap as everyone assumes. Whomever came up with opening the borders as a way to keep the price of hamburgers cheap is stupid as well ... certainly more stupid than those who flogged the idea.
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All of this nonsense tracks back to all of that printed money that is out there floating around. Our economy is no longer in balance when it comes to pricing for merchandise, services, and food. A lot more dislocation is still ahead.
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Do your part: So far it is only a dollar or so to tip someone for making you a hamburger. "Standing your ground" on this issue is a quaint 1970"s idea.
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