Did somebody actually say this? Good Lord, I hope not, and if so, do you remember who it was. All I can possibly back with is, every fan base has some incredibly stupid individuals.
ISU's best lineman out with Broken Leg
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If I was a cyclone fan, I'd honestly be concerned that they might not win a single game. An injury plagued sucky football team under a new coach. I know the bottom half of the Big 12 is rather chitty, but there's no way they win more than 3 games.
He can't even stick at LT at Iowa State and he would have been Iowa's starting LT? granted coaching has a lot to do with it but still.
Sorry, I shouldn't have engaged with you. I'd have a better chance teaching algebra to a coffee mug.
It will give a retort that's on your level. NOOOOOOOOOO, YOOOOOOOUUUUUUUU!!!!
Now, give your six inch thick, Cardinal and gold glasses glasses come back. You have permission to just copy and paste from my second paragraph.
"Most of the time" means at least 5 of the 8 seasons when ISU has beat Iowa. I dare you to try and find 5 seasons when ISU had the better team.
2000
2001
2005
2007 Iowa was better but both teams sucked
2011
2012
So there's 5 where ISU was better, 2007 Iowa had a better record but both teams sucked. 2002 Iowa was the better team but that was the Seneca game. 2014 Iowa was better
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I'm wondering if it really matters. Iowa State doesn't really have a football program. They field a team but in the grand scheme of things they have never really had any success aside from a few random flashes. ISU football has only had 6 winning regular seasons in the last 35 years. And have not had a single regular season winning record in the last 10 years. You have to agree that ISU football has to be one of the worst teams in college football over the course of the last quarter century. 6 winning regular seasons!!!!!! Not a single one in the last 10. Wow that is BAD
And to think Ferentz is 8-9 vs that team and in 6 of those 9 losses Iowa State was the better team. I guess ISU must have had 2 or 3 Super Bowl performances over a 17 year period though
I'll give you 2012 even though Iowa shouldn't have lost. 2011 is very much debate able. 2005, you are high. 2000 and 2001 were rebuilding years for Iowa and glory years for ISU so I'll give you those.
They both went 7-5 in 2005 and Iowa State beat Iowa. Iowa State was the better team no doubt
How is that? The undebatable ISU wins were 2000, 2001, and 2012. You do realize what was going on in 2000, and somewhat into 2001 with Iowa football don't you?
How about the flip side? Were there any Iowa teams that beat ISU while being the worse team?
6 of the 9 wins against Ferentz Iowa State was the better team. That pretty much ends that Super Bowl myth
First off, I feel terrible for Campos and his teammates, those who were his brothers in the trenches. That's a tough loss. Secondly, it's obviously tough because he was their lone returning guy with experience.
However, I'd appreciate input from any Cyclone fans who are "in the know" ... what philosophy are the Cyclones likely to have on O? Schematically, how are they going to look? Are they going to continue to try to copy the rest of the Big 12, or are they willing to use schemes that match better the personnel they can consistently recruit?
If they continue to be more of a spread team - then part of the whole premise of most implementations of the spread is to compensate for various issues/deficiencies on the OL by getting the ball out quickly into space. If this is the case - then injuries on the OL may not make that huge of an impact (apart from the necessary impact on run blocking).
If the Cyclones are going to embrace more of a "traditional" O ... then things could be a little more sketchy for them because such an O relies more upon solid OL play.
However, for the Cyclones, this year was going to be a building job anyhow. Their D was probably going to be a high point this year - so having the OL so patchwork definitely has to be annoying for the Clones. However, all the same, a healthy Campos would only be the difference in few games in terms of wins or losses. In the bigger picture, in the long term, this will at least help the Cyclones to develop more depth at OT.
However, I'd appreciate input from any Cyclone fans who are "in the know" ... what philosophy are the Cyclones likely to have on O? Schematically, how are they going to look? Are they going to continue to try to copy the rest of the Big 12, or are they willing to use schemes that match better the personnel they can consistently recruit?
If they continue to be more of a spread team - then part of the whole premise of most implementations of the spread is to compensate for various issues/deficiencies on the OL by getting the ball out quickly into space. If this is the case - then injuries on the OL may not make that huge of an impact (apart from the necessary impact on run blocking).
If the Cyclones are going to embrace more of a "traditional" O ... then things could be a little more sketchy for them because such an O relies more upon solid OL play.
However, for the Cyclones, this year was going to be a building job anyhow. Their D was probably going to be a high point this year - so having the OL so patchwork definitely has to be annoying for the Clones. However, all the same, a healthy Campos would only be the difference in few games in terms of wins or losses. In the bigger picture, in the long term, this will at least help the Cyclones to develop more depth at OT.
I think Iowa fans were happy and preferred the likes of sedrick shaw and Tavian Banks while Troy was at ISU on poor teams getting 40+ carries in losses to get his yards. But go ahead take one persons comment on here to make it sound like this whole board thinks that way. Sure could find a lot of crazy dumb crap clown fans say about Iowa players on cyclone fanatic.
On the flip side there ... that doesn't say much about Iowa in some of those years.
You might be right. ISU lost a lot of close games that year. At the time it was a big upset.
Feel bad for him. Put in all of that work in the offseason and have your season taken away in August during camp. Tough for the kid
Yeah, in 2000, 2007, and 2012 Iowa was essentially garbage.
The Hawks were decent in '05, but the OL featured 2 new starting OTs (McMahon graduated and Lee Gray was injured). That was a poor match-up because that year had to be one of ISU's better defensive lines - perhaps one of their very best in recent history. Combine that poor mismatch with Tate's injury in that game (due to his own stupidity) ... and you get a game that got out of hand for the Hawks. In defense of the Clones, even with Tate healthy - the Hawks weren't moving the ball with consistency. In defense of the Hawks - without Tate, the Hawks had trouble even passing the midfield line.
Because sometimes the talent gap is so large, all your cares just get run out of the stadium.
Agreed. I think both teams care equally about the rivalry and almost all of the time the better team wins
Then it's a good thing "top trio" were neither my words nor the premise of my statement
Or else our defense and running game are title-level awesome. You know, either way.
What do you base the "people might be able to run on our defense" line on? The performance of our offense? The same offense you just said has a long way to go? You should take a break and go outside for awhile.
The legend of Troy Davis grows. Never mind the guy gained all those yards against the 3rd & 4th string defenses of OK, Nebraska, etc... because his team was getting trucked 49-3 at halftime of those games.
Agreed that Lazard would be a starter. Warren is debatable simply because he is young and would be behind Daniels (Sr.) and Wadley (Jr.), and unless there is a glaring weakness Ferentz traditionally favors the upperclassmen for starting roles. Plus, I don't know that of those three RBs anyone stands out as clearly better than the rest.
One thing is for sure, though, Iowa State has very good skill position players.
Davis averaged 5.6 ypc, Shaw averaged 4.9. Banks only ran for 2773 in his 4 year career. Davis ran for 4195 in two years
If Warren wasn't starting for Iowa this year Ferentz deserves to be fired. Warren had almost as many yards in his freshman season than both those guys have in their career combined. Iowa has more talent than ISU no doubt but Lazard and Warren are studs and would be studs at Iowa.
And, as remains largely the case even today, the Big Ten featured proficiency in all three phases of the game.
How many games did isu win while Davis was amassing all those stats?
Not many and he was still a two-time all American and two time Heisman finalist. Really impressive
Honestly, I would disagree somewhat with that. I remember watching Troy Davis and he was a special talent. Plus, it's not like he was running behind a collection of Outland Trophy winners.
