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ISU's best lineman out with Broken Leg

CyCity said:
Not many and he was still a two-time all American and two time Heisman finalist. Really impressive
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Most would disagree. It is not hard to be noticed when you are the crux of an offense. Other teams were able to be more successful by complimenting the run game with other means of offense and still be able to defend the ball and field decent special teams.

Give me those that not only find occasional individual recognition, but also are successful as a team. That is the idea, after all.
 
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CyCity said:
Yeah ISU football was really bad then. Davis was really good though and almost won a Hesiman on a terrible team which is unheard of
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"Then" you say?

There are obvious reasons that the AP ranks isu as 83rd best over an eighty-year span of time. isu has been bad for a long, long time.

BTW - some guy named Paul Hornung won the Heisman and was on a team that was not good.
 
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5Fan5 said:
"Then" you say?

There are obvious reasons that the AP ranks isu as 83rd best over an eighty-year span of time. isu has been bad for a long, long time.

BTW - some guy named Paul Hornung won the Heisman and was on a team that was not good.
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Let's not forget your head coach has a losing record against this terrible team. I forgot about Hornung but I think he is the only player to win the Heisman on a team with a losing record.
 
CyCity said:
Davis averaged 5.6 ypc, Shaw averaged 4.9. Banks only ran for 2773 in his 4 year career. Davis ran for 4195 in two years
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Reason why banks and shaw got drafted and Davis didn't. Plus their teams actually had a passing game and actually won games.
 
iahawkeyes17 said:
Reason why banks and shaw got drafted and Davis didn't. Plus their teams actually had a passing game and actually won games.
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Davis and Shaw were both drafted in the third round, Banks was drafted in the fourth round. None of them had great professional careers but Davis had the best of the three
 
CyCity said:
Let's not forget your head coach has a losing record against this terrible team. I forgot about Hornung but I think he is the only player to win the Heisman on a team with a losing record.
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So what? What has that gained isu in the larger scope of college football (other than temporary possession of a contrived trophy, of course)? Are you saying that without the Iowa game there is a good chance that isu does not even deserve its 83rd ranking?

Iowa has done well under the direction of Coach Ferentz. The isu game is simply a rivalry of convenience pitting two teams from a smaller Midwestern state. One team obviously emphasizes the game more than the other or results from the remainder of seasons would be different.

isu has that 83rd ranking to be so very proud about.
 
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5Fan5 said:
So what? What has that gained isu in the larger scope of college football (other than temporary possession of a contrived trophy, of course)? Are you saying that without the Iowa game there is a good chance that isu does not even deserve its 83rd ranking?

Iowa has done well under the direction of Coach Ferentz. The isu game is simply a rivalry of convenience pitting two teams from a smaller Midwestern state. One team obviously emphasizes the game more than the other or results from the remainder of seasons would be different.

isu has that 83rd ranking to be so very proud about.
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They would kill to have had 2 coaches for a 36 year period that has produced these results.
 
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So what? What has that gained isu in the larger scope of college football (other than temporary possession of a contrived trophy, of course)? Are you saying that without the Iowa game there is a good chance that isu does not even deserve its 83rd ranking?

Iowa has done well under the direction of Coach Ferentz. The isu game is simply a rivalry of convenience pitting two teams from a smaller Midwestern state. One team obviously emphasizes the game more than the other or results from the remainder of seasons would be different.

isu has that 83rd ranking to be so very proud about.
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Ferentz has been there for 17 years. 14 or 15 of those years the better team won the game. The difference is Iowa's ceiling has been higher than ISU's and ISU's floor has been lower. ISU can win the game and go 6-6 where Iowa can win the game and go 12-0. ISU can also lose the game and go 2-10 and Iowa doesn't
 
CyCity said:
Ferentz has been there for 17 years. 14 or 15 of those years the better team won the game. The difference is Iowa's ceiling has been higher than ISU's and ISU's floor has been lower. ISU can win the game and go 6-6 where Iowa can win the game and go 12-0. ISU can also lose the game and go 2-10 and Iowa doesn't
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Now you are off to never, never land once again. There is little other than your unsubstantiated opinion that isu was 'better' each of those years.

(As has already been mentioned, perhaps you should review your buddy, Sagarin's opinion on that very matter. He strongly disagrees with your assessment.)

What prevents isu from winning more than six games? The very same thing(s) that ended up providing isu its 83rd best ranking in the eyes the Associated Press.

Congrats on beating Iowa approximately 50% of the time recently. Those last three wins each by the margin of a field goal were really special for you, I bet!
 
CyCity said:
Ferentz has been there for 17 years. 14 or 15 of those years the better team won the game. The difference is Iowa's ceiling has been higher than ISU's and ISU's floor has been lower. ISU can win the game and go 6-6 where Iowa can win the game and go 12-0. ISU can also lose the game and go 2-10 and Iowa doesn't
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Hence, the ISU Super Bowl. End of story. You just blew up your own argument.
 
5Fan5 said:
Now you are off to never, never land once again. There is little other than your unsubstantiated opinion that isu was 'better' each of those years.

(As has already been mentioned, perhaps you should review your buddy, Sagarin's opinion on that very matter. He strongly disagrees with your assessment.)

What prevents isu from winning more than six games? The very same thing(s) that ended up providing isu its 83rd best ranking in the eyes the Associated Press.

Congrats on beating Iowa approximately 50% of the time recently. Those last three wins each by the margin of a field goal were really special for you, I bet!
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Coaching, depth, lack of talent, etc.
 
CyCity said:
The best team has won 14 or 15 of the 17 meetings under Ferentz which pretty much derails the Super Bowl myth.
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No, they have not. Your ideas/opinions are not shared by many others at all.

(See Sagarin for details !)

isu 83rd
 
5Fan5 said:
No, they have not. Your ideas/opinions are not shared by many others at all.

(See Sagarin for details !)

isu 83rd
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Which years did the better team not win? I already said 2002 and 2014. 2007 both teams were terrible and UNI had the best Sagarin rating in the state
 
CyCity said:
Which years did the better team not win? I already said 2002 and 2014. 2007 both teams were terrible and UNI had the best Sagarin rating in the state
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And you were wrong about 2002. Iowa State had the better team until mid-season that year.
 
CyCity said:
2000
2001
2005
2007 Iowa was better but both teams sucked
2011
2012

So there's 5 where ISU was better, 2007 Iowa had a better record but both teams sucked. 2002 Iowa was the better team but that was the Seneca game. 2014 Iowa was better
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Add 2002 to that list. ISU was better the first half of the season.
 
CyCity said:
Which years did the better team not win? I already said 2002 and 2014. 2007 both teams were terrible and UNI had the best Sagarin rating in the state
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I have told you on at least three posts where you are very likely to find the info you are looking for here. Disagree? Take it up with Jeff Sagarin or just admit that he can be off on these matters also. Does not really matter that much. I am good either way.

Hey, nice try to introduce UNI into the debate. The issue you have is between Iowa and isu. UNI is not even under consideration.

But, now that you mention it, UNI has won a time or two in the time frame that you are stuck in currently. Does not isu focus upon UNI as much as it does other opponents?
 
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5Fan5 said:
I have told you on at least three posts where you are very likely to find the info you are looking for here. Disagree? Take it up with Jeff Sagarin or just admit that he can be off on these matters also. Does not really matter that much. I am good either way.

Hey, nice try to introduce UNI into the debate. The issue you have is between Iowa and isu. UNI is not even under consideration.

But, now that you mention it, UNI has won a time or two in the time frame that you are stuck in currently. Does not isu focus upon UNI as much as it does other opponents?
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I think ISU focuses on every team the same. If they focused so much on Iowa like you said they probably would have more than a couple upsets over a 17 year period
 
SWIowahawks said:
How is that? The undebatable ISU wins were 2000, 2001, and 2012. You do realize what was going on in 2000, and somewhat into 2001 with Iowa football don't you?

How about the flip side? Were there any Iowa teams that beat ISU while being the worse team?
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'77 and '89 are the only two that could be argued, I think.
 
SWIowahawks said:
You play in a mediocre conference. You play many mediocre teams.
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ISU had the #3 SOS in the country, Iowa wasn't in the top 50 but I'm not going to change your mind that the Big 12 is better even though everything out there says it is so I won't even true
 
CyCity said:
1977 ISU was clearly better. 1989 was Iowa's Super Bowl as well.
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There is no way for you to even clam to know that... you are already of record of not having 'been around in 1977' and thus disclaiming any basis in knowledge of that time.

You really need to do better keeping your 'story' straight.
 
5Fan5 said:
There is no way for you to even clam to know that... you are already of record of not having 'been around in 1977' and thus disclaiming any basis in knowledge of that time.

You really need to do better keeping your 'story' straight.
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I wasn't born yet but I know how to use the internet. It was definitely Iowa's Super Bowl that year, not sure how you could say it wasn't
 
CyCity said:
ISU had the #3 SOS in the country, Iowa wasn't in the top 50 but I'm not going to change your mind that the Big 12 is better even though everything out there says it is so I won't even true
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The AP data for an eighty-year time span clearly disagrees. The big xii just does not measure up to not only the Big Ten, but with several of the other major conferences existing.

Something about an 'anchor' of old #83 weighing the conference down.
 
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I have a friend that lives in New York and is originally from Australia. He loves college football and has been to about 10 of the Iowa vs ISU games. I think he started coming to them in 2005 in Ames and was at every one of them through the 2014 game in Iowa City. He bought a "BEAT IOWA" shirt for the first game in Ames and really enjoyed that upset 23-3. But then when the game is in Iowa City, he wears Hawkeye clothes.

I think he's about as neutral of an observer as one can be. He believes ISU puts more emphasis on the game than Iowa. He believes in the Super Bowl argument. I asked him about this today. I'm not saying this is proof of anything, as it is just one man's opinion. But he said "Mate, it's obvious! They want it more than you do!"
 
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CyCity said:
I wasn't born yet but I know how to use the internet. It was definitely Iowa's Super Bowl that year, not sure how you could say it wasn't
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It's easy.... the 1977 game was not Iowa's Super Bowl.

Recall that it was isu that went to the specially adorned jerseys that season, not Iowa. Can you fathom isu putting "Beat Iowa" on their uniforms now?

(Look it up... its on the interwebz that does the majority of your thinking.)
 
Lone Clone said:
Add 2002 to that list. ISU was better the first half of the season.
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LOL seriously, do you listen to yourself? Only a Clown fan would try bragging about having a better "first half of the season."

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5Fan5 said:
It's easy.... the 1977 game was not Iowa's Super Bowl.

Recall that it was isu that went to the specially adorned jerseys that season, not Iowa. Can you fathom isu putting "Beat Iowa" on their uniforms now?

(Look it up... its on the interwebz that does the majority of your thinking.)
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That was clearly Iowa's Super Bowl and a major upset.
 
Pepperman said:
Seriously? Is this like "winning the second half" of the game?
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No, it's nothing like that at all, as anybody with half a brain understands.

This exchange is about whether the better team won when the teams played. It is not whether one team or the other had the better season. In '02, ISU would have won the week before and the week after, but not at the end of the year.
 
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