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It's over magats

You're problem is you deal strictly in emotions. For you, if you want something then you believe it's going to happen. You assume everyone is like that. But some of us understand what we wish to be bears no relationship to what is. It's like predicting Iowa will lose to Ohio State, and being called-out as a bad Iowa fan. "Wanting" Iowa to win doesn't mean I am forced to claim that they will win.

The538 reviews all polls, weights them based on accuracy, and spits out a sober, emotionless answer. And the answer is that things are not looking good right now. Harris is behind in PA. GA is gone. NC is slipping away. She's holding on by the slimmest of margins in WI and MI. For whatever reason, half our country is beyond reason.

Unfortunately, you are beyond reason from the other side. It's okay to look at things soberly. To assess the situation rationally rather than wishfully. Unless the polls, for the first time, have overcounted Trump's supporters, this is no better than a coin toss. If the polls have undercounted him to the same extent they did in 2020 it could be ugly. Covering your ears and striking out at anyone who doesn't share your wishful thinking does nobody any good, and doesn't reflect well on you.
This post will age like milk.
 
I don’t think they’re in play. I think it’s so close it could go either way but Trump seems to be picking up the momentum. Much more on offense.

Answering questions from the garbage truck was genius!
Explain how it's genius? What voter that was not already voting for him is sitting in a garbage truck answering questions picking up for him? Who of his supporters that may have sat it out is deciding "hey I wasn't going to vote but seeing trump in a garbage truck? I'm totally going now!" Is this really what conservatives think?
 
You're problem is you deal strictly in emotions. For you, if you want something then you believe it's going to happen. You assume everyone is like that. But some of us understand what we wish to be bears no relationship to what is. It's like predicting Iowa will lose to Ohio State, and being called-out as a bad Iowa fan. "Wanting" Iowa to win doesn't mean I am forced to claim that they will win.

The538 reviews all polls, weights them based on accuracy, and spits out a sober, emotionless answer. And the answer is that things are not looking good right now. Harris is behind in PA. GA is gone. NC is slipping away. She's holding on by the slimmest of margins in WI and MI. For whatever reason, half our country is beyond reason.

Unfortunately, you are beyond reason from the other side. It's okay to look at things soberly. To assess the situation rationally rather than wishfully. Unless the polls, for the first time, have overcounted Trump's supporters, this is no better than a coin toss. If the polls have undercounted him to the same extent they did in 2020 it could be ugly. Covering your ears and striking out at anyone who doesn't share your wishful thinking does nobody any good, and doesn't reflect well on you.
I totally understand where you are coming from but you are WAAAY to married to a flawed data point.
 
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Weighting polls becomes less effective when garbage polls flood the zone and when even good polls over estimate the GOP. 2022 happened. The polls were +4 GOP on average, with the shit GOP polls much worse than that. That was because of Dobbs. Now we are to pretend the man responsible for Dobbs will avoid the wrath.

Not to mention, in 2022 some of those garbage polls missed races by double digits or close to it. They shouldn't be counted at all.
 
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To be clear:

“Pisses of women”
(Pleases misogynists)

“Pisses off blacks”
(Excites bigots)

“Pisses off Latinos”
(Inspires his base)

Yeah, he knows what he’s doing. No politician has had such a cult like following. Because he knows what he’s doing.
How does this bring in new voters though? He's the one who has to pick up new and turn out what he already has. Kamala just has to turn out what she has and personally I think she's the one picking up new.

And he has no clue what he's doing. Only reason he won in 16 was because some didn't know who he was and dems ran an awful candidate who had an awful campaign and he still barely won. He has no idea what to do besides do the things you listed off.
 
I totally understand where you are coming from but you are WAAAY to married to a flawed data point.
No, I’m looking at the whole of the data, and the history of actual results versus the polls; particularly when Trump is involved. It would be one thing if Nate Silver and the538 were coming up with different pictures. But they are nearly identical.

IMO, people who think they know better than these number guys are the same as the one ps who think they know more about global warming than the climatologists. Sure, the polls could end up being off by a couple of points. But to dismiss them in favor of gut feelings isn’t rational.

And to be clear, I am not saying it’s over. I’m not saying the polls are going to be right. I am saying that anybody looking at the polls honestly has to be concerned. I’m saying people guaranteeing Harris will win are being silly.
 
We've got people thinking that Biden's garbage comment will somehow flip the entire election. That's how badly MAGAts are in need of copium right now.
 
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No, I’m looking at the whole of the data, and the history of actual results versus the polls; particularly when Trump is involved. It would be one thing if Nate Silver and the538 were coming up with different pictures. But they are nearly identical.

IMO, people who think they know better than these number guys are the same as the one ps who think they know more about global warming than the climatologists. Sure, the polls could end up being off by a couple of points. But to dismiss them in favor of gut feelings isn’t rational.
I've told you before I'm not using my gut reaction. But it's pretty obvious you are in love with these polls so I'll drop it. I know you hope I'm right though and that's good enough for me.
 
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No, I’m looking at the whole of the data, and the history of actual results versus the polls; particularly when Trump is involved. It would be one thing if Nate Silver and the538 were coming up with different pictures. But they are nearly identical.

IMO, people who think they know better than these number guys are the same as the one ps who think they know more about global warming than the climatologists. Sure, the polls could end up being off by a couple of points. But to dismiss them in favor of gut feelings isn’t rational.
These same gurus thought that Hillary would win and that a red tsunami would wipe out the Dems in '22.
 
I've told you before I'm not using my gut reaction. But it's pretty obvious you are in love with these polls so I'll drop it. I know you hope I'm right though and that's good enough for me.
That’s fine. But understand I’m not in love with the polls. I’m saying the polls are a better indicator than one person’s opinion based on instinct.
 
These same gurus thought that Hillary would win and that a red tsunami would wipe out the Dems in '22.

Nate Silver placed the odds of Hillary winning at 70%, which at the time I caution was not a slam dunk. And the National polls were within 2% of the actual results.

I’m not familiar with any polls that were wrong in 2022. I didn’t even see many polls, just talking heads. I don’t listen to talking heads.
 
That’s fine. But understand I’m not in love with the polls. I’m saying the polls are a better indicator than one person’s opinion based on instinct.
Again not using instinct. I have none when it comes to politics lol... There are other data points out there now besides polls.
 
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Not sure what's going on in Nevada?
Nevada and Alaska are the 2 states where there are more men than Women. In Nevada 104 men to every 100 women.

Pennsylvania is 102 women to every 100 men. So a 6% swing just based on demographics.
 
To be clear:

“Pisses of women”
(Pleases misogynists)

“Pisses off blacks”
(Excites bigots)

“Pisses off Latinos”
(Inspires his base)

Yeah, he knows what he’s doing. No politician has had such a cult like following. Because he knows what he’s doing.
You are correct, as he definitely knows how to lose an election.
 
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