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Ivan Yarygin 2016

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A slew of Hawkeye wrestlers are competing this year. Excited to see how our guys compete. Here's a listing of US entries:

57kg- Tony Ramos, Dan Dennis
65kg- Brent Metcalf, Logan Stieber
74kg- Andrew Howe
96kg- Kyle Snyder, Jake Varner
125kg- Bobby Telford

Coaches:
Bill Zadick
Terry Brands
John Petersen

Coverage can be found here:United World Wrestling IY
 
SPGroth said:
If I heard it right, we need to place atleast 3rd in this tournament to quality 65KG for the Olympics?
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That is incorrect, the next Olympic qualifier for the US will be the Pan Am qualifier held in early March in Texas.

Ways to qualify a weight for Olympics: https://unitedworldwrestling.org/ar...c-qualification-dates-and-locations-announced


2015
September 7-12: World Championships (Las Vegas, USA) - top 6

2016
March 4-6: Pan-American Olympic Qualification (Dallas, USA) - top 2
March 18-20: Asian Olympic Qualification (Astana, KAZ)
April 1-3: Africa/Oceania Olympic Qualification (Alger, ALG)
April 15-17: European Olympic Qualification (Zrenjanin, SRB)
April 22-24: First “Last-Chance” Qualification Tournament (Ulaanbaatar, MGL)
May 6-8: Second “Last-Chance” Qualification Tournament (Istanbul, TUR)
 
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Sandor45 said:
What's the minimum place they have to take to qualify the weight at Pan Am?
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I believe it's the top two, but I was going to look a little more to refresh my memory. I am pretty sure it is top two, but there is no "true second" place match. Basically you have to make the finals.

Edit: found it - http://usawevents.sportngin.com/panams

Pan-American OG Qualifier
Top Two (2) place winners in each weight class will qualify that country's weight for the Rio 2016 Olympic Games.
Only Pan-American nations that have not already qualified for the Rio 2016 Olympic Games may enter a wrestler at that weight.

Featuring Only the Six (6) Olympic weight classes per style
Friday, March 4th - Women's Freestyle
Saturday, March 5th - Men's Freestyle
Sunday, March 6th - Greco-Roman
 
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During the interview, Ironside mentioned that if Metcalf's weight isn't qualified before trials, that he would have to miss the trial to compete in the Pan Am Games.
 
SPGroth said:
During the interview, Ironside mentioned that if Metcalf's weight isn't qualified before trials, that he would have to miss the trial to compete in the Pan Am Games.
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I am not 100% what Mark was referring to, but the Yarygin will not qualify Brent's weight for Olympics and Pan Ams are in March, a month before USA's Team Trials in Iowa City.

The only reason I can think of that a wrestler may have to skip the Olympic Team Trials is if the we don't qualify at Pan Ams, and need to send a wrestler to the "Last Chance Qualifier" which is in April.
 
So let me get this straight.
If we don't qualify the weight at Pan Ams, than we don't even compete that weight bracket at the Iowa City Olympic trials, right? It'd be pointless since the weight isn't qualified or do we go on with competing at the weight to determine who to send to the "Last Chance" weight qualifier tourneys in Mongolia and Turkey?
It seems strange to have the "Last Chance" Tourney's after the US Olympic trials
 
Sandor45 said:
So let me get this straight.
If we don't qualify the weight at Pan Ams, than we don't even compete that weight bracket at the Iowa City Olympic trials, right? It'd be pointless since the weight isn't qualified or do we go on with competing at the weight to determine who to send to the "Last Chance" weight qualifier tourneys in Mongolia and Turkey?
It seems strange to have the "Last Chance" Tourney's after the US Olympic trials
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Most likely USA will went to send their "A" team to win the Pan Ams to qualify the weight for Rio, but if they do not take top 2 at the Pan Ams, I am fairly certain that all weights will still be contested in Iowa City, regardless if they are qualified already or not.

I think USA wrestling fully expects to send the full squad, and the plan is to have everyone compete on the same weekend. If for some chance 86 kg doesn't get qualified at Pan Ams, it would make less sense to not compete the USA spot in Iowa City, because if a wrestler did qualify at a last chance, now we have to have all the 86 kg wrestlers get together on a different weekend.

Trying to sum up: USA Wrestling is acting like all 6 weights are qualified because it's easier to tell everyone to plan on one weekend and compete rather than try and plan multiple events for the wrestle off.

As for why Last chance qualifiers are held after US Team Trials, that's because USA wants to have their team set by April, and USA Wrestling and the rest of the World's schedules are going to be a little bit different.
 
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Metcalf already won the Pan Am last year, so I'm not too worried about him.
At 57 and 86, I think there are two studs from Cuba that have beaten Ramos and Herbert last year if I'm not mistaken...
At Heavy, Tervel should win easily as well.
 
I would probably say I am most confident about Brent winning. He will most likely have to beat Franklin Maren (Cuba), who he beat at Beat the Streets, the World Cup, and at 2015 Pan Ams. He also would have to go through Franklin Gomez, who he beat 10-8 in the semifinals at Pan Ams. Gomez might be the tougher guy, but I would feel confident Metcalf is making the finals.

Ramos has had his struggles with Yowlys Bonne of Cuba, so if he ends up on the same side as him it will greatly reduce his chances at making the finals, which means we would need a last chance qualifier. If they are on opposite sides Ramos should have no problem. Last year USA sent Angel Escobedo to the Pan Ams and he blanked everyone but Bonne. Remember International wrestling uses the blind draw (no seeding) - I would assume this would be the same.

86 will be tough and I know Herbert has been on the mend. Not sure how Taylor or Dake stack up against the international competition yet.

125 if Tervel is healthy it should be no problem, and Zach Rey probably doesn't have much issue getting top two either.
 
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I think 86 kilos will be the toughest weight to qualify. If our thought process is to send Herbert to Pan Ams and qualify the weight are in trouble. He's like 0-100 against Salas. With the stupid blind draw if he's on his side it's over. We don't have any guys at that weight over at Yarygin either. We need to get Dake/Taylor/Ruth over to some tournaments and try to get this weight qualified.

Let's hope Dennis or Ramos can get us qualified tonight. Ramos has a tough draw but we just need one of them to get it done.
 
HawkTalk3 said:
Most likely USA will went to send their "A" team to win the Pan Ams to qualify the weight for Rio, but if they do not take top 2 at the Pan Ams, I am fairly certain that all weights will still be contested in Iowa City, regardless if they are qualified already or not.

I think USA wrestling fully expects to send the full squad, and the plan is to have everyone compete on the same weekend. If for some chance 86 kg doesn't get qualified at Pan Ams, it would make less sense to not compete the USA spot in Iowa City, because if a wrestler did qualify at a last chance, now we have to have all the 86 kg wrestlers get together on a different weekend.

Trying to sum up: USA Wrestling is acting like all 6 weights are qualified because it's easier to tell everyone to plan on one weekend and compete rather than try and plan multiple events for the wrestle off.

As for why Last chance qualifiers are held after US Team Trials, that's because USA wants to have their team set by April, and USA Wrestling and the rest of the World's schedules are going to be a little bit different.
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Good $hit, Ross. Thanks for summing it up!
 
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I'm confident that all the weights will be qualified for us. Countries aren't allowed to compete at weights they've already qualified at the last chance tournaments which thins the field at both tournaments. With the top 3 placers qualifying at the 1st last chance and the top 2 placers qualifying at the 2nd last chance, any weight we don't qualify really didn't have much of a chance to medal anyway (exception being injury to a likely medalist).
 
Ok, I'm sorry for being so slow on the uptick here, but gotta clear one more thing up for me.
So we can send only one guy to these qualifiers, correct? The Pan Am and the Last Chance qualifiers are not like the Yarigin where countries can send multiple guys at each weight...
For example, let's say we don't qualify 86 at Pan Ams and Dake wins the Olympic Trials. We would only send Dake to Mongolia to try and qualify that weight for the Olympics, right? We couldn't send Taylor, Dake, and Herbert...
 
Sandor45 said:
Ok, I'm sorry for being so slow on the uptick here, but gotta clear one more thing up for me.
So we can send only one guy to these qualifiers, correct? The Pan Am and the Last Chance qualifiers are not like the Yarigin where countries can send multiple guys at each weight...
For example, let's say we don't qualify 86 at Pan Ams and Dake wins the Olympic Trials. We would only send Dake to Mongolia to try and qualify that weight for the Olympics, right? We couldn't send Taylor, Dake, and Herbert...
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That I don't know for sure. I assume only one because nations willing to invest the resources could flood brackets to increase their chances. Imagine some guy having to knock off Ruth, Taylor and Dake to make qualify his weight. Or a traditional power skipping the other qualifyers and using the final qualifying tournament as their team trials at weights they don't have returning medalists.
 
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dumb me..I thought this was a qualifier but it's not..Thanks Ross

they can send whoever they want. Remember, last Olympics we sent Bunch to a qualifier and he qualified the weight. This was around the time of trials so he didn't attend the trials which Coleman Scott won. He then has a special wrestle off with Scott which he lost. Sooo..Bunch qualified the weight but lost the spot to Scott.
 
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PapaBearSLIM said:
That I don't know for sure. I assume only one because nations willing to invest the resources could flood brackets to increase their chances. Imagine some guy having to knock off Ruth, Taylor and Dake to make qualify his weight. Or a traditional power skipping the other qualifyers and using the final qualifying tournament as their team trials at weights they don't have returning medalists.
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I guess I can't say 100% certainty, but I think PBS has the right of it. USA can send whichever wrestler they choose, but I am pretty sure it's just one wrestler/nation at Olympic qualifying events.
 
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HawkTalk3 said:
I guess I can't say 100% certainty, but I think PBS has the right of it. USA can send whichever wrestler they choose, but I am pretty sure it's just one wrestler/nation at Olympic qualifying events.
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That makes sense. These international inter workings are a mystery to me.
Thanks!
 
gablefan73 said:
Classes aren't required for the sec north schools such as osu.
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I admire an Iowa fan with the nerve mock the academics at other Big 10 schools.

Here's where the B1G schools are listed among national universities in the latest U.S. News & World Report rankings:

12. Northwestern
29. Michigan
41. Illinois
41. Wisconsin
47. PSU
52. tOSU
57. Maryland
61. Purdue
69. Minnesota
72. Rutgers
75. Indiana
75. Michigan State
82. Iowa
103. Nebraska

There are four SEC schools ranked above Iowa, too.

In a lesser man tempted to throw stones at other B1G schools, Iowa's reputation as an institution of higher learning might trigger the "people in glass houses" reflex. But gablefan is like the honey badger. He don't care.
 
CholleyVandine said:
I admire an Iowa fan with the nerve mock the academics at other Big 10 schools.

Here's where the B1G schools are listed among national universities in the latest U.S. News & World Report rankings:

12. Northwestern
29. Michigan
41. Illinois
41. Wisconsin
47. PSU
52. tOSU
57. Maryland
61. Purdue
69. Minnesota
72. Rutgers
75. Indiana
75. Michigan State
82. Iowa
103. Nebraska

There are four SEC schools ranked above Iowa, too.

In a lesser man tempted to throw stones at other B1G schools, Iowa's reputation as an institution of higher learning might trigger the "people in glass houses" reflex. But gablefan is like the honey badger. He don't care.
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Thank god you're here. I was beginning to worry a PSU fan wasn't going to post in this thread!
 
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Omahahawk86 said:
dumb me..I thought this was a qualifier but it's not..Thanks Ross

they can send whoever they want. Remember, last Olympics we sent Bunch to a qualifier and he qualified the weight. This was around the time of trials so he didn't attend the trials which Coleman Scott won. He then has a special wrestle off with Scott which he lost. Sooo..Bunch qualified the weight but lost the spot to Scott.
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So you're saying that technically, Dake could win the Olympic Trials but USA wrestling can decide to send Taylor to Mongolia for the Last Chance Tourney to qualify the weight? So, if they do in fact send Taylor to the Last Chance Tourney and he wins and qualifies the weight than would there be a wrestle off between Dake and Taylor to see who goes to Rio?
 
Sandor45 said:
So you're saying that technically, Dake could win the Olympic Trials but USA wrestling can decide to send Taylor to Mongolia for the Last Chance Tourney to qualify the weight? So, if they do in fact send Taylor to the Last Chance Tourney and he wins and qualifies the weight than would there be a wrestle off between Dake and Taylor to see who goes to Rio?
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As far as I know yes. It's what has happened before. Qualifying the weight is priority one.
 
Ramos drops his first match to grigoriev of Russia 3-2 terry challenging for more points on last takedown position and he gets it Ramos wins 4-3
 
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