Jada Gyamfi talent?

[cmhawks99]

We as a nation just elected a president who is a clear and unambiguous racist. If anything, we need a higher number of frank conversations about race in this country because a whole lot of people seem to think being racist isn’t a problem.

Following in @kceasthawk spirit, I’m a bit of a free thinker. I do like a logic train, and therefore try to be linear, but I see that above scenario a little differently than some people, especially mid left and further, leaning people.

It needs to be said I nearly didn’t vote at all. I was so disenchanted by both candidates.

With that said this “unambiguously” racist, misogynistic, “indicted” president. Won the popular vote as a Republican president for one of the very few times ever and first time in 20 years while recording record numbers of votes from minorities, including Black people who he supposedly “alienated”…

All that being said, it appears there is a real significant issue in the Democratic Party if the aforementioned is all true…

You don’t have Americans to blame or the Republicans to blame or Donald Trump to blame you have the Democratic Party, which has lost trust and insight into what matters to people… and by people I don’t mean, white, I mean, black, Hispanic, Asian, female, etc., etc. etc.

Mostly piggybacking with kceasthawk again. Everybody wants to make snap judgments and pigeonhole people without truly knowing intent & then bitch about being labeled and/or trashed if treated in the same fashion.

I also find it interesting that extreme liberal academia in particular have a penchant for assuming or “pretending” that all of their peers and/or ethnicity follow them exuberantly and that is 1,000,000,000% not accurate…

We DO need to have conversations, but the attitude of academia I find trite and condescending.

 

[chaneccooms]

Not to continue down the this inevitable about politics, but why exactly do you think so may more people of ALL colors voted for the winner then many expected? Did may people actually understand that there were more important things to consider then the color of someones skin?

As to your other point about frank conversations, it seems your not interested in having one. I clearly said having conversation about this and other important issues is fine. My issue is how often someone interjects race into some topic that has absolutely nothing to do with race, and yet some people feel the need to throw it in, just to bring it up again. Surely, EVERY topic should not have a racial component.....

😆 You resemble the old saying, “Every accusation is a confession.”

All I’ve been doing in this thread having a frank conversation about race. I literally told a personal story about how low expectations from her teachers were harming the education of a young Black girl in my life. I drew a very clear line from someone questioning the motivation a young Black female and a real world consequence. How is that not a frank discussion?

The real question is this: Why do you feel the need to bitch and moan about people having perfectly legitimate conversations about race? Why does it make you so uncomfortable?

 

[chaneccooms]

We DO need to have conversations, but the attitude of academia I find trite and condescending.

How many people in academia do you interact with on a regular basis?

 

[cmhawks99]

How many people in academia do you interact with on a regular basis?

Well as it turns out, I have a couple kids with masters who are extremely involved in the academic world. One graduated w/Masters from Northwestern.

I have 6 kids and they fall all up & down the political spectrum. I’m also in the financial world and as a result have many clients.

And I do NOT talk politics with them. I don’t trust politicians as a general rule, and I don’t differentiate them by political spectrum. They are ALL agenda driven and have skeletons.

I was extremely struck, maybe even bemused is a better term, that this guy and I wanna be careful here because I don’t want the lunatic left or the hard-core Trumper’s coming after me…

But things are so out of touch and disingenuous in the Democratic party that this guy got elected…

And they fell all along the spectrum of gender, ethnicities and sexual orientation.

You strangely keep underestimating, who I am. Somewhat similar to what I suggested above.

I’m not some fat old, white man, well I am🥸, that hangs out with hard-core Republicans and rednecks.

I have a multitude of clients that would hit all touch points & many of them do lean conservative, that “society” i.e. academia would say shouldn’t vote Republican.

And there in lies the problem…

There actually weren’t enough white male voters alone to get him elected. He carried a remarkable amount of people that the Democratic polling said he wouldn’t.

Again….out of touch

 

[cmhawks99]

😆 You resemble the old saying, “Every accusation is a confession.”

All I’ve been doing in this thread having a frank conversation about race. I literally told a personal story about how low expectations from her teachers were harming the education of a young Black girl in my life. I drew a very clear line from someone questioning the motivation a young Black female and a real world consequence. How is that not a frank discussion?

The real question is this: Why do you feel the need to bitch and moan about people having perfectly legitimate conversations about race? Why does it make you so uncomfortable?

The emboldened is a little unfair, first because I’ve never known this particular poster to be anything other than fairly reasonable, and less caustic than I can be.

But more importantly, the statement is one that I’ve seen bandied about on conservative news accusing Democrats of that very thing

 

[chaneccooms]

Well as it turns out, I have a couple kids with masters who are extremely involved in the academic world. One graduated w/Masters from Northwestern.

I have 6 kids and they fall all up & down the political spectrum. I’m also in the financial world and as a result have many clients.

And I do NOT talk politics with them. I don’t trust politicians as a general rule, and I don’t differentiate them by political spectrum. They are ALL agenda driven and have skeletons.

I was extremely struck, maybe even bemused is a better term, that this guy and I wanna be careful here because I don’t want the lunatic left or the hard-core Trumper’s coming after me…

But things are so out of touch and disingenuous in the Democratic party that this guy got elected…

And they fell all along the spectrum of gender, ethnicities and sexual orientation.

You strangely keep underestimating, who I am. Somewhat similar to what I suggested above.

I’m not some fat old, white man, well I am🥸, that hangs out with hard-core Republicans and rednecks.

I have a multitude of clients that would hit all touch points & many of them do lean conservative, that “society” i.e. academia would say shouldn’t vote Republican.

And there in lies the problem…

There actually weren’t enough white male voters alone to get him elected. He carried a remarkable amount of people that the Democratic polling said he wouldn’t.

Again….out of touch

How was I underestimating you? All I did was ask you a question…which you failed to answer.

 

[chaneccooms]

The emboldened is a little unfair, first because I’ve never known this particular poster to be anything other than fairly reasonable, and less caustic than I can be.

But more importantly, the statement is one that I’ve seen bandied about on conservative news accusing Democrats of that very thing

The accusation was that I was unwilling to have a frank discussion about race, which you and I both know is clearly false. It doesn’t matter what your interactions with them have been like in the past. They literally accused me of doing the thing they were doing, hence the line about an accusation being a confession. This stuff really isn’t that hard to follow.

 

[cmhawks99]

How was I underestimating you? All I did was ask you a question…which you failed to answer.

How is that question to be answered then? You want a number? Enough…

You are assuming I don’t have a frame of reference clearly, right?

 

[cmhawks99]

The accusation was that I was unwilling to have a frank discussion about race, which you and I both know is clearly false. It doesn’t matter what your interactions with them have been like in the past. They literally accused me of doing the thing they were doing, hence the line about an accusation being a confession. This stuff really isn’t that hard to follow.

Maybe, but, and again, your being condescending which is something I know about…🥰

When I’m doing it, as I said before, it’s typically because I’m being petty and I’m doing it on purpose, are you??

 

[kceasthawk]

😆 You resemble the old saying, “Every accusation is a confession.”

All I’ve been doing in this thread having a frank conversation about race. I literally told a personal story about how low expectations from her teachers were harming the education of a young Black girl in my life. I drew a very clear line from someone questioning the motivation a young Black female and a real world consequence. How is that not a frank discussion?

The real question is this: Why do you feel the need to bitch and moan about people having perfectly legitimate conversations about race? Why does it make you so uncomfortable?

Uncomfortable, NO. Sick of it, absolutely. Your original post in this thread was going after someones post when he said a player was "not driven" , and he didn't think she had the "want to". He made NO mention that it had anything to do with her being black. You jump right in with the only reason he said that is because she was black. Absolutely unnecessary. If anyone was showing bias it was you. These comments have been made before about players, (AOG most certainly has had these types of things said about her in past years), and there was no need for such a conversation.

I'm sorry I'm not an "academic" like some of you guys, and I haven't read some of those books you've got your nose stuck in. I'm just a working stiff, but I don't see this distrust ever being resolved when EVERY word a white person says must be dissected and analysed so that no one could possibly find something that they think MAY offend some group of people. Its tiresome, and isn't helping

 

[kceasthawk]

The accusation was that I was unwilling to have a frank discussion about race, which you and I both know is clearly false. It doesn’t matter what your interactions with them have been like in the past. They literally accused me of doing the thing they were doing, hence the line about an accusation being a confession. This stuff really isn’t that hard to follow.

Well of course you left out half of my point. The conversation is fine, the issue was what you were trying to bring into "the conversation" had nothing to do with the post we were discussing. There was no mention of anything to do with race until YOU interjected race into the conversation. It was totally not needed, and thats my issue. You bringing in issues you have seen in your life and interjecting them into a discussion about something that has nothing to do with those instances

 

[twindman]

I think a lot of the problems with minority's problems today started with LBJ's Great Society. It broke up the family life because it became financially beneficial to have kids with no husband in the household This in turn led to (somewhat) ghettos with gangs and therefore made it difficult for kids in these poor schools to advance.
A story from experience - my wife is a speech and language teacher. She interviewed a principal at a grade school. The principal asked her if these kids should be treated differently because they were from a poor area (probably <10% black and 15-20% hispanic). My wife said she thought a bit and told the principal no, they should be encouraged to work up to the standard grade. The principal agreed. NOTE: I am paraphrasing to best of my ability on the conversation.
So, anyway, it is very difficult but no impossible for ghetto kids to succeed in school. So the bias gets formed that black kids are 'dumb'.

 

[FrankBurns00]

sooooooooooo, back to Jada and her ability to help this years team on the floor.

I truly think it is as simple as she has 2 bad knees that have robbed her of the athleticism that got her the scholarship. Then it just becomes a slippery slope, because of her bad knees she is limited in the time she can spend working on her game because the more she works, the worse the knees hurt.

I think the best we can hope for at this point is that she can become that "crafty old vet" off the bench who can give you 5-8 minutes per game. Maybe grab a rebound or two, make a great pass and knock down a 3.

 

[cmhawks99]

sooooooooooo, back to Jada and her ability to help this years team on the floor.

I truly think it is as simple as she has 2 bad knees that have robbed her of the athleticism that got her the scholarship. Then it just becomes a slippery slope, because of her bad knees she is limited in the time she can spend working on her game because the more she works, the worse the knees hurt.

I think the best we can hope for at this point is that she can become that "crafty old vet" off the bench who can give you 5-8 minutes per game. Maybe grab a rebound or two, make a great pass and knock down a 3.

Yes, that was news to me and definitely explains things.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

sooooooooooo, back to Jada and her ability to help this years team on the floor.

I truly think it is as simple as she has 2 bad knees that have robbed her of the athleticism that got her the scholarship. Then it just becomes a slippery slope, because of her bad knees she is limited in the time she can spend working on her game because the more she works, the worse the knees hurt.

I think the best we can hope for at this point is that she can become that "crafty old vet" off the bench who can give you 5-8 minutes per game. Maybe grab a rebound or two, make a great pass and knock down a 3.

Knees suck, because it takes awhile for high-level athletes to "trust" them after surgery, so like you're saying; that puts them behind everyone else and takes so much time for them to catch back up (unless you're talking about the super-elite).
She appears to be what she is right now; an end-of-the-bench role player who is a great teammate and one everyone loves. Nothing wrong with that

 

[cmhawks99]

Knees suck, because it takes awhile for high-level athletes to "trust" them after surgery, so like you're saying; that puts them behind everyone else and takes so much time for them to catch back up (unless you're talking about the super-elite).
She appears to be what she is right now; an end-of-the-bench role player who is a great teammate and one everyone loves. Nothing wrong with that

I think from what I’m understanding, she has chronic knee issues that won’t get better

 

[DewHawk]

sooooooooooo, back to Jada and her ability to help this years team on the floor.

I truly think it is as simple as she has 2 bad knees that have robbed her of the athleticism that got her the scholarship. Then it just becomes a slippery slope, because of her bad knees she is limited in the time she can spend working on her game because the more she works, the worse the knees hurt.

I think the best we can hope for at this point is that she can become that "crafty old vet" off the bench who can give you 5-8 minutes per game. Maybe grab a rebound or two, make a great pass and knock down a 3.

Was not aware of her injuries/knees.

 

[cmhawks99]

Interesting take considering our prior discussions about Jada, race, etc…

@chaneccooms @kceasthawk

https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/wnba/news-caitlin-clark-nudges-ex-iowa-teammate-prioritize-basketball-bf-connor-mccaffery-kate-martin-also-react

I think my general take is, if it’s apropos (I’m sure there is an example I’m missing) for something to be said about 1 person, it’s acceptable for any persons, or it isn’t acceptable at all.

And maybe we shouldn’t make those assessments or “assumptions” period, but then we have to stop “assuming” people are being racist, disingenuous, mean spirited, sneaky, etc., etc. etc.

And ultimately, there in lies the Rub and my problem with the way things shook down to begin with. Everybody loves calling people out and pointing fingers, they just don’t like it when they get pointed back.🤷‍♂️

 

[texas twister]

Like the poster who called Hannah Stuelke “lazy,” I would recommend asking yourself why you’re questioning the effort or desire of a Black player when you don’t have the evidence to back it up.

Only a total moron would seek to insert "race" anywhere and everywhere all the time. You exposed yourself.