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Jan 6, 2025, 4 years after the Trump led insurrection on the Capitol

Really? What could the democrats do to change abby and northern's minds? They already vote against their best interests. Viable candidate? I don't think people even know what that is. History is going to look fondly at Biden and all I read here is how godawful he is. I don't trust Americans to have the first clue what's viable, or in their best interests.
If knuckle heads like Abby and Northern are your only target, then I don't know what to tell you. Just know that not all of Trump voters are MAGAs.
 
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If knuckle heads like Abby and Northern are your only target, then I don't know what to tell you. Just know that not all of Trump voters are MAGAs.
If one voted for a rapist and felon, amongst a dozen other things, over Kamala Harris, then there really isn't anything the Democrats can tell them, or explain to them, or show them that's going to make much of a difference. I mean, we aren't talking about voting for basically any Republican. We are talking about the most godawful human in our political history. This is all on the cowardice of the Republican Party. The leaders who were too chickenshit to take on the conman and the voters who fell for him.

All the rest of us can do is point out the facts that Republicans will increase the debt, not lower prices on anything, grift from the American taxpayers. It's up to those voters to pay attention and figure it out. Anyone who voted Trump over Kamala is a dumbass.
 
What is so hard to comprehend about that fact? People on here assume that every American is on HBOT constantly absorbing every single political tidbit. My dad pretty much sleeps all day, occasionally turns on FoxNews and has ZERO social media. He's 76 and not in the best of health. All he knows is you don't vote Democrat, so he voted for Trump. There are others who simply chose what they believe to be lesser evil and don't think the accusations (or convictions) against Trump are real. It amuses me that folks think every person who voted for Trump is a 4-toothed, mouth breathing imbecile.

I read on a friend's FB time-line a well educated, local businessman's justification for Trump. He lined up policy for policy and chose what he thought would be better for the country (and his family) and said he didn't factor in the person of either candidate. He doesn't drive a jacked up Ford with testicles hanging off the hitch and he doesn't wear a read MAGA hat. Some folks would rather have a rapist than leftist policies. It is what it is.
 
What is so hard to comprehend about that fact? People on here assume that every American is on HBOT constantly absorbing every single political tidbit. My dad pretty much sleeps all day, occasionally turns on FoxNews and has ZERO social media. He's 76 and not in the best of health. All he knows is you don't vote Democrat, so he voted for Trump. There are others who simply chose what they believe to be lesser evil and don't think the accusations (or convictions) against Trump are real. It amuses me that folks think every person who voted for Trump is a 4-toothed, mouth breathing imbecile.

I read on a friend's FB time-line a well educated, local businessman's justification for Trump. He lined up policy for policy and chose what he thought would be better for the country (and his family) and said he didn't factor in the person of either candidate. He doesn't drive a jacked up Ford with testicles hanging off the hitch and he doesn't wear a read MAGA hat. Some folks would rather have a rapist than leftist policies. It is what it is.

Oh, you have a very specific vision of a MAGA person. I guess I wasn't considering your post was about fashion.
 
Oh, you have a very specific vision of a MAGA person. I guess I wasn't considering your post was about fashion.
Yes, it is true both of these people voted for Trump.

MAGA:
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Not Harris:
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Yes, it is true both of these people voted for Trump.

MAGA:
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Not Harris:
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Yes, I understand your fashion angle. I don't agree that it matters, but I understand what you're saying.

I'm old school in that I think if you voted for someone, you're in their camp. The purity tests and granular level labeling of factions is tiring and unproductive.
 
You must not have been around for John Kerry.

What are you talking about?

And no, I'm not trolling. I do not understand the idea that a Trump voter and "MAGA" are not the exact same thing, especially in 2024.

To clarify, I can see how someone that is ashamed of voting for Trump or ashamed that people they love voted for Trump would feel good differentiating themselves or loved obes from the more embarrassing and vocal Trump supporters. But does that make the distinction reality?
 
What are you talking about?

And no, I'm not trolling. I do not understand the idea that a Trump voter and "MAGA" are not the exact same thing, especially in 2024.

To clarify, I can see how someone that is ashamed of voting for Trump or ashamed that people they love voted for Trump would feel good differentiating themselves or loved obes from the more embarrassing and vocal Trump supporters. But does that make the distinction reality?
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What are you talking about?

And no, I'm not trolling. I do not understand the idea that a Trump voter and "MAGA" are not the exact same thing, especially in 2024.

To clarify, I can see how someone that is ashamed of voting for Trump or ashamed that people they love voted for Trump would feel good differentiating themselves or loved obes from the more embarrassing and vocal Trump supporters. But does that make the distinction reality?
It's easy to lump all Trump voters under the "MAGA" label, especially given how vocal and visible the hardcore supporters are. But IMO not everyone who votes for Trump is a die-hard MAGA fan.

Like I said before, take John Kerry, for example, back in the 2004 election. A lot of people didn't necessarily love Kerry, but they voted for him because they wanted to see Bush out of office. It was more about opposing Bush than being a Kerry enthusiast.

Similarly, in 2024, there are people who might vote for Trump for various reasons – maybe they agree with some of his policies, or they just see him as the lesser of two evils. These voters might not identify with the more extreme and vocal MAGA supporters. They could be more moderate or simply not as engaged in the fervor that MAGA represents.

So yes, while some might differentiate themselves from the more embarrassing or vocal Trump supporters to feel better about their vote, it doesn't mean that distinction isn't real. People have nuanced reasons for their choices, and it's worth recognizing that not all Trump voters fit the same mold. That's all I was trying to say. ...Fashion has nothing to do with it. Those images represent different types of people/voters. Democrats won't get the person in image A, but they could draw in voter B.
 
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It's easy to lump all Trump voters under the "MAGA" label, especially given how vocal and visible the hardcore supporters are. But IMO not everyone who votes for Trump is a die-hard MAGA fan.

Like I said before, take John Kerry, for example, back in the 2004 election. A lot of people didn't necessarily love Kerry, but they voted for him because they wanted to see Bush out of office. It was more about opposing Bush than being a Kerry enthusiast.

Similarly, in 2024, there are people who might vote for Trump for various reasons – maybe they agree with some of his policies, or they just see him as the lesser of two evils. These voters might not identify with the more extreme and vocal MAGA supporters. They could be more moderate or simply not as engaged in the fervor that MAGA represents.

So yes, while some might differentiate themselves from the more embarrassing or vocal Trump supporters to feel better about their vote, it doesn't mean that distinction isn't real. People have nuanced reasons for their choices, and it's worth recognizing that not all Trump voters fit the same mold. That's all I was trying to say. ...Fashion has nothing to do with it. Those images represent different types of people/voters.

I completely understand there being a myriad of paths towards the same place, that goes without saying for literally all things in human life.

My point is, unless you're in the campaign biz, who cares? The votes were counted and the ones with wacky hats and gaudy shirts counted the same as everyone else's.
 
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