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JFC. GOP already talking about impeaching Hillary

No one is calling for "no government". Government is necessary, but our government is WAY out of control.
You must truly be new around here, I thought you were just a new screen name for an old poster. Several around here call for no government or no government capable of protecting civil rights.

I'm sure we would agree there are some things we would like to see the government stop. What is on your list?
 
Then trust that the empirical data shows that government has done more harm to humanity than religion ever could have thought to. Religion is simply a avenue to which they drive you to their cause. Or the lack of religion as well.
I have no faith when it comes to a system. I am exquisitely empty of that faith.
How many human accomplishments can you name that weren't predicated on government?
 
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You must truly be new around here, I thought you were just a new screen name for an old poster. Several around here call for no government or no government capable of protecting civil rights.

I'm sure we would agree there are some things we would like to see the government stop. What is on your list?

Government's role is quite simple and limited. Provide for the common defense. Establish liberty and enforce justice. Settle disputes. Build roads. That sort of thing.

Instead, we have this smothering bureaucratic complex full of agency empires fighting for ever more power.
 
You must truly be new around here, I thought you were just a new screen name for an old poster.

I had nearly 100,000 posts on Warchant prior to my boycotting of them after they shut our political board down. I only drifted over here extremely occasionally when following a link or something.
 
What makes you think there isn't already a group of thugs in charge? The only thing different between them and the mobsters of old, is that they are far more powerful and have total and complete control. They order 'hits', force you to pay them lest you suffer, and use fear to keep you in check. Most troubling of all is that they use the 'law' to get away with what they would put you in prison for.
Elections.
 
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Government's role is quite simple and limited. Provide for the common defense. Establish liberty and enforce justice. Settle disputes. Build roads. That sort of thing.

Instead, we have this smothering bureaucratic complex full of agency empires fighting for ever more power.
Such as?
 
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I had nearly 100,000 posts on Warchant prior to my boycotting of them after they shut our political board down. I only drifted over here extremely occasionally when following a link or something.
There is a strong contigant of anachro capitalist libertarians here who do essentially argue for no government. I grant that those thoughts are outside of the mainstream in general political thought, but around here the views are well represented by a number of prolific posters.
 
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Drone registration by Christmas?
Ok, look at that one issue. I think you could make a strong case that regulating flying machines is an issue that falls under national defence. Probably also resolving disputes, and justice via public safety and privacy arguments. This seems like the sort of thing you would want controlled to some degree.
 
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Ok, look at that one issue. I think you could make a strong case that regulating flying machines is an issue that falls under national defence. Probably also resolving disputes, and justice via public safety and privacy arguments. This seems like the sort of thing you would want controlled to some degree.

Drones aren't some new thing. They've had plenty of time to formulate reasonable regulations. In a knee-jerk reaction to forecasts that drone purchases will increase some 60-something percent this year, the government is recklessly jumping into the pool to disrupt the market for what is essentially the same thing as model airplanes that have been flying for decades without the FAA getting all up into it.
 
Drones aren't some new thing. They've had plenty of time to formulate reasonable regulations. In a knee-jerk reaction to forecasts that drone purchases will increase some 60-something percent this year, the government is recklessly jumping into the pool to disrupt the market for what is essentially the same thing as model airplanes that have been flying for decades without the FAA getting all up into it.
This seems a poor argument. Your saying you are mad that government regulates things when they become significant enough to present a problem. That's a feature, not a flaw.
 
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This seems a poor argument. Your saying you are mad that government regulates things when they become significant enough to present a problem. That's a feature, not a flaw.

You don't create deliberative and reasonable regulations in a mad dash to beat Christmas.

And what's "registration" going to do? That simply gives the government a list of all the drone users. How does that prevent drone accidents?
 
You don't create deliberative and reasonable regulations in a mad dash to beat Christmas.

And what's "registration" going to do? That simply gives the government a list of all the drone users. How does that prevent drone accidents?
I can't speak to the specifics of the program intelligently. But we were talking conceptually about government power. Conceptually regulating drones would seem to fit your definition of things the government should concern themselves about, don't you agree?
 
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Conceptually, I will agree to this. However, there's a big difference between a drone that weighs dozens of pounds and could bring down a jet plane if it gets ingested into the engine vs. a child's toy that weighs a few pounds and poses no more threat than a football flying through the air.
 
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I'd also posit that drone regulation should be the province of the states. We don't have federal driver licenses and vehicle registrations, do we?
 
Conceptually, I will agree to this. However, there's a big difference between a drone that weighs dozens of pounds and could bring down a jet plane if it gets ingested into the engine vs. a child's toy that weighs a few pounds and poses no more threat than a football flying through the air.
Have you seen some of the drones they are working on that are the size of a small bird or even a dragon fly? I could envision some real issues if anyone can fly one of those in your personal air space.
 
Have you seen some of the drones they are working on that are the size of a small bird or even a dragon fly? I could envision some real issues if anyone can fly one of those in your personal air space.

To me, drone peeping should be a state matter.
 
I'd also posit that drone regulation should be the province of the states. We don't have federal driver licenses and vehicle registrations, do we?
Who deals with other air vehicles? Are pilots licensed by states or the FAA? Generally speaking I'm not a big fan of 50 laws when one will do.
 
Who deals with other air vehicles? Are pilots licensed by states or the FAA? Generally speaking I'm not a big fan of 50 laws when one will do.

Planes routinely cross state lines. I doubt drone operators are flying long distances. At least, not the kinds of drones people will be buying at BestBuy for Christmas.

And no, I don't agree with one-size-fits-all regulation. The security and safety considerations concerning drones are totally different in Manhattan vs. Death Valley, California.
 
Planes routinely cross state lines. I doubt drone operators are flying long distances. At least, not the kinds of drones people will be buying at BestBuy for Christmas.

And no, I don't agree with one-size-fits-all regulation. The security and safety considerations concerning drones are totally different in Manhattan vs. Death Valley, California.
Fair point, but then why a state law and not a municipal? If California can come up with a law that covers Los Angels and Death Valley, then the same sort of law could cover New York City and Ottumwa, Iowa. One law doesn't need to have only one set of rules. Laws can have flexibility and multiple circumstance built in.
 
Fair point, but then why a state law and not a municipal? If California can come up with a law that covers Los Angels and Death Valley, then the same sort of law could cover New York City and Ottumwa, Iowa. One law doesn't need to have only one set of rules. Laws can have flexibility and multiple circumstance built in.

Because of this: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

There's nothing about drone regulation delegated to the United States by the Constitution.
 
Because of this: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

There's nothing about drone regulation delegated to the United States by the Constitution.
I don't know about that. We already agreed it's the sort of thing the government should do. Air planes are federal despite not being mentioned specifically. National defence is a prime concern with drones and that's a federal responsibility. Over all I'd say drone policy is a poor example of federal government overreach.
 
I don't know about that. We already agreed it's the sort of thing the government should do. Air planes are federal despite not being mentioned specifically. National defence is a prime concern with drones and that's a federal responsibility. Over all I'd say drone policy is a poor example of federal government overreach.

Again, planes fly long distances and could allow people to escape justice across state lines. They're also uniformly big enough to cause harm when they crash. Little toy drones can do none of those things.
 
Again, planes fly long distances and could allow people to escape justice across state lines. They're also uniformly big enough to cause harm when they crash. Little toy drones can do none of those things.
I see that point too. But it seems a technicality more than a clear violation of federalism to me. And you still have the national defence argument placing it in the federal realm.
 
You must truly be new around here, I thought you were just a new screen name for an old poster. Several around here call for no government or no government capable of protecting civil rights.

I'm sure we would agree there are some things we would like to see the government stop. What is on your list?

Government protects civil rights?

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Where do you turn to fix that? I see you running, I think you're hiding.

Running from what? Your ignorant posts? I mean, we can have our due process stripped away now, but hey...at least you guys are working on forcing people to make wedding cakes for gay people.

Natural, the bottom line is that you're extremely self-centered. You only care about the liberties that you deem appropriate, everyone else be damned.
 
Running from what? Your ignorant posts? I mean, we can have our due process stripped away now, but hey...at least you guys are working on forcing people to make wedding cakes for gay people.

Natural, the bottom line is that you're extremely self-centered. You only care about the liberties that you deem appropriate, everyone else be damned.
Which is a good argument to stop running and participate in our representative government.
 
And go where? The people that own the United States own most of the other countries too.

And the ones they don't own are the ones we are at war with right now. Do you think it's a coincidence that the Muslims don't believe in usury and that's exactly where we're warring right now?
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