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John Fetterman 2025

Maybe that’s a classical example of Liberalism to which I will admit has never been my understanding. Certainly is not where the Democrat party is today. My point being, I think a classic Democratic candidate like Bill Clinton would have won in a landslide against Trump. They way over played their hand on social issues.
The Republican Party made social issues out of stuff that doesn't happen. Schools changing student's gender, transgender mice, immigrants all being rapists and eating pets etc.
 
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The border issue might be valid, but the Harris platform being different than it was in 2020 is not. Trump negotiated and signed a trade agreement with Canada and Mexico his first term that he's throwing out the window now with his on and off tariff policies. Why does he get a pass?
I don’t disagree there. I think Trump has an end game in mind for the tariffs. I’ll be shocked if they are in place longer than 6 months. I’m not clear on that end game and I’m not certain we need to be at this point. I negotiate for a living, I never ask for a number at first. I always point to where they are high (materials, labor, overhead, etc) and ask them to do better in those areas. They’ll provide the next best offer, then the next stage of negotiation starts. If you ask for what you explicitly want out of the gate, you’re likely going to compromise short of that.
 
The Republican Party made social issues out of stuff that doesn't happen. Schools changing student's gender, transgender mice, immigrants all being rapists and eating pets etc.
Some of that is certainly over stated, but the non-starter for me is allowing any sort of puberty blockers or hormone therapy for kids. It’s not a one off case here or there that some of you say it is, and it’s been on the rise.

 
The border issue might be valid, but the Harris platform being different than it was in 2020 is not. Trump negotiated and signed a trade agreement with Canada and Mexico his first term that he's throwing out the window now with his on and off tariff policies. Why does he get a pass?

She ran to the right on the border during the campaign.

 
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Some of that is certainly over stated, but the non-starter for me is allowing any sort of puberty blockers or hormone therapy for kids. It’s not a one off case here or there that some of you say it is, and it’s been on the rise.

I don't agree with your position on puberty blockers, but can you show me where that was an issue Harris supported?
 
Maybe that’s a classical example of Liberalism to which I will admit has never been my understanding. Certainly is not where the Democrat party is today. My point being, I think a classic Democratic candidate like Bill Clinton would have won in a landslide against Trump. They way over played their hand on social issues.
It's really THE definition, not the bastardized one that it's been made to be.

I don't think they made a big deal about social issues at all, but I guess I don't really concern myself with them other than ensuring that everyone has equal rights and to work together to prevent discrimination. I'd rather that ALL of our citizens have more rights, not fewer. Conservative media is what caused many to believe that "dems overplayed their hand on social issues" IMO.

I think Trump won because people are upset and unhappy with the current system and their circumstances. Things for the masses slowly get worse and worse year after year, and they don't understand why. They've become so malleable and willing attach to anyone that will listen to them. Trump acknowledges that anger and uses his palingenetic "Make America Great Again" slogan to falsely demonize immigrants and LGBTQ+ folks as the sources of those frustrations.

They don't realize the obvious - that immigrants aren't their landlord, they're not the owners of mega corporations, they don't sit on the board of Blackrock buying up houses to drive rents up. These are the real people behind the issues our country is facing. Trump does a great job focusing that anger on a scapegoat. He makes it seem like he really cares about the working class and his supporters when nothing could be further from the truth.

On the other hand, the democrats do a terrible job acknowledging that frustration, offering very minimal solutions and looking to maintain the status quo. That's why they lost, and if they don't adjust to populist ideology, they'll continue to.
 
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I don't agree with your position on puberty blockers, but can you show me where that was an issue Harris supported?
I already stated I don’t know what her stated position on trans youth was. She likely steered clear of it knowing that’s another 80/20 they’re on wrong side of.
 
She ran to the right on the border during the campaign.

She tried but once your track record is formed to the contrary it’s really hard to convince people otherwise. Especially without having to go through a primary.
 
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Yep...when you don't toe the line, the Dems will turn on you quickly....took a little longer with Biden (because he couldn't win) not because he gave up the cause...

Expect alot of negative stories on Fetterman shortly...
peeing ralph wiggum GIF
 
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It's weird, Fetterman was reviled by Righties because he didn't wear a suit while at work, but then he seemingly went into a dark place due to mental health reasons, or his stroke, or whatever, and he's cool because the former social justice warrior wants more killing.
 
It's weird, Fetterman was reviled by Righties because he didn't wear a suit while at work, but then he seemingly went into a dark place due to mental health reasons, or his stroke, or whatever, and he's cool because the former social justice warrior wants more killing.
Is it alright with you that I still don’t like him and most likely never will?
 
It's weird, Fetterman was reviled by Righties because he didn't wear a suit while at work, but then he seemingly went into a dark place due to mental health reasons, or his stroke, or whatever, and he's cool because the former social justice warrior wants more killing.
On the other hand, you liked him better when he was campaigning and couldn't put 2 sentences together.
 
Is it alright with you that I still don’t like him and most likely never will?
Go for it. I think it's odd that the people who fretted over him having a stroke, are now fine with what possibly are the after effects, or failure to stay on his meds, or something else, radically changing his thought process just because he's pro bombing civilians.
 
Go for it. I think it's odd that the people who fretted over him having a stroke, are now fine with what possibly are the after effects, or failure to stay on his meds, or something else, radically changing his thought process just because he's pro bombing civilians.
That certainly would be a peculiar reason to change your opinion on Fetterman from negative to positive.

Have people actually changed their position on Fetterman from negative to positive on account of his position on bombing Palestinian civilians? I mean, until you bumped this thread today, no one had even posted in it since March 7. Fetterman made his comments about the Gaza War last week, right? What am I missing here?
 
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If Fetterman had run against a viable candidate, he would have never been elected. That he was, an seems to be representing his constituents is admirable.
 
The Republican Party made social issues out of stuff that doesn't happen. Schools changing student's gender, transgender mice, immigrants all being rapists and eating pets etc.
My 7th grader was taught in health class that gender is a social construct and they spent about 2 days on all the different genders, how the heart and the brain may not agree with the genitals, etc.

That's not the republican party making up shit that doesn't happen.

The Dems have doubled down on crazy and as more people realize it they're moving slowly away from today's democratic party, which is a far cry from the Clinton Democrats.
 
My 7th grader was taught in health class that gender is a social construct and they spent about 2 days on all the different genders, how the heart and the brain may not agree with the genitals, etc.
When and at what school? I don't believe any school in Iowa teaches about transgender in health class.
 
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Members of the PA teachers union have described a meeting last week in which Fetterman had emotional outbursts and kept repeating himself.
Yet, they voted him in when he was near comatose....but they thought they could control him....too fvcking bad..
 
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My 7th grader was taught in health class that gender is a social construct and they spent about 2 days on all the different genders, how the heart and the brain may not agree with the genitals, etc.

That's not the republican party making up shit that doesn't happen.

The Dems have doubled down on crazy and as more people realize it they're moving slowly away from today's democratic party, which is a far cry from the Clinton Democrats.

Uh Huh Yes GIF
 
Yep....now he's representing their interests and Dems don't like it....tough shit

He's underwater with Dem voters in Pennsylvania so apparently he's doing a terrible job at representing their interests.

He's getting the boot in the next primary, maybe the big brain damaged oaf can run as a Republican.
 


The Big Ogre is becoming more Republican by the day
If he becomes “reception” is that necessarily a bad thing? As long as he doesn’t become “maga”…. I’m not all that enthralled by some of the ideas being forwarded by Dems and I have been a solid Dem all my life…. But there are some of them that need to be reigned in, in my humble opinion.
 
He's underwater with Dem voters in Pennsylvania so apparently he's doing a terrible job at representing their interests.

He's getting the boot in the next primary, maybe the big brain damaged oaf can run as a Republican.
If he's above 18% approval, he's way ahead of the rest of the Dem party...
 
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