Jok deserves 1st team

[wbrhawkeye]

Ok it's time to talk about Jok joining Uthoff on the first team BIG. His numbers during BIG play is very deserving.

Uthoff
Valentine
Ferrell
Trimble (only because MD is in 2nd)
Jok

Thoughts?

 

[Herkuleez]

Never gonna happen, but feel free to start your write in campaign now.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

the Big Ten champion usually gets a long look at two players on the first team if they are both deserving.

if he keeps putting up 20-30 points a game he deserves 1st team for sure.

 

[unoHawkeye]

I think Jok makes second team. Hammonds probably goes first team over him.

Gesell statistically has probably made a case for third team

 

[wbrhawkeye]

Forgot about Hammond but I think he takes Trible's spot. I still think Jok has a great chance if he averages 17-20 the rest of the year.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Forgot about Hammond but I think he takes Trible's spot. I still think Jok has a great chance if he averages 17-20 the rest of the year.

Maybe, I just think the Melo Trimble hype train is too much.

Jok should be almost guaranteed to make it next year if he plays like he has this year, with Hammonds, Uthoff, Yogi, and Valentine all gone

 

[freemanbrenner]

First team
Valentine
Uthoff
Ferrell
Hammons
Jok

 

[IllQChawk]

First team
Valentine
Uthoff
Ferrell
Hammons
Jok

Jok because he's a JR will not make 1st team All Big Ten, now Uthoff is a lock for 1st team unless he fails to finish the season....

 

[freemanbrenner]

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Jok because he's a JR will not make 1st team All Big Ten, now Uthoff is a lock for 1st team unless he fails to finish the season....

if he keeps playing well he will. Averaging 15.8 points and averaging over 17 in conference play. Shooting 44.8 percent from the field over 40 percent from three on an 11-2 team. To this point, there haven't been 5 better players in conference.

 

[Curt Furence]

Maybe, I just think the Melo Trimble hype train is too much.

Jok should be almost guaranteed to make it next year if he plays like he has this year, with Hammonds, Uthoff, Yogi, and Valentine all gone

I agree. And the Melo hype is better than the Melo play right now. 1-14 and 2-12 in his last 2 B1G games and he's had some other duds in there too. 2-7 against Iowa and 3-15 against Penn State.
He is shooting 28% from 3 in conference.

 

[Mohawkeye]

If there were 6 players on the first team I think he makes it. Definitely outplaying Melo. I wonder if Trimble has hurt his draft status coming back this year.

 

[Premium Scent]

What about the guy for Illinois?

 

[TSWHawk]

I think it will be...

Valentine (POY)
Uthoff (DPOY)
Hammons
Ferrel
Hayes

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Valentine and Uthoff should be the only locks for first team all B1G right now, but reputations determine more than performance sometimes. The other most likely candidates are Yogi, Melo, Hammons, and Hayes. Team performance might determine which of those guys gets bumped to second team. Offensively, Pete deserves serious consideration, but I will be very surprised if he isn't second team.

Just about any Iowa player, except Pete, could be named to the all-defensive team. I think Sapp will get it, and Woody has a good shot.

How teams finish will determine whether Iowa's players will get even more recognition.

 

[hoffmkr]

The last spot on first team will come down to:
Jok
Hayes
Trimble

The team that wins the most games will have the final player.
Wisconsin has 3 ranked teams out of 6. If they win 5, Hayes will probably win it, if they lose 3, second team.

Maryland has a fairly soft schedule but Trimble's numbers are very mediocre for 1st team. (Suliamon's almost got better numbers). If Maryland ties for 1st in conference, they won't get shut out though.

Jok has consistently led a 2nd half scoring charge for Iowa. If they are stand alone in 1st place, he'll be first team with his pts and steals per game.

 

[hawkeyemike23]

I think he gets 2nd team, but will be preseason 1st team come next year.

 

[MGOHAWK2]

Melo is overrated

 

[OnceAhawk]

Individual Statistics (Conference games only)
SCORING GP FG 3FG FT POINTS AVG./G
1. Denzel Valentine, Michigan State 10 76 40 15 207 20.7
2. Jarrod Uthoff, Iowa 13 85 24 58 252 19.4
3. Corey Sanders, Rutgers 12 85 19 32 221 18.4
4. Andrew White III, Nebraska 13 84 37 31 236 18.2
5. Malcolm Hill, Illinois 12 62 9 84 217 18.1
Nigel Hayes, Wisconsin 12 63 15 76 217 18.1
7. Peter Jok, Iowa 13 78 35 42 233 17.9
8. Kevin Yogi Ferrell, Indiana 13 72 33 51 228 17.5
9. Brandon Taylor, Penn State 12 80 15 27 202 16.8
10. A.J. Hammons, Purdue 13 81 1 39 202 15.5
11. Kendrick Nunn, Illinois 11 57 30 21 165 15.0
12. Shavon Shields, Nebraska 11 62 8 32 164 14.9
13. Nate Mason, Minnesota 13 70 18 34 192 14.8
14. Tre Demps, Northwestern 13 70 27 21 188 14.5
15. Melo Trimble, Maryland 13 57 22 50 186 14.3
Diamond Stone, Maryland 13 64 0 58 186 14.3
17. Zak Irvin, Michigan 13 64 27 25 180 13.8
Bryn Forbes, Michigan State 13 61 39 18 179 13.8
19. Derrick Walton Jr., Michigan 13 49 29 46 173 13.3
20. Matt Costello, Michigan State 13 69 2 30 170 13.1
21. Robert Carter, Maryland 13 64 13 23 164 12.6
22. Bryant McIntosh, Northwestern 13 62 16 22 162 12.5
23. Bronson Koenig, Wisconsin 12 47 28 27 149 12.4
24. Mike Williams, Rutgers 12 51 19 26 147 12.3
25. Shep Garner, Penn State 12 45 17 34 141 11.8
26. Thomas Bryant, Indiana 13 62 1 27 152 11.7
27. Jae'Sean Tate, Ohio State 13 64 5 18 151 11.6
Ethan Happ, Wisconsin 12 54 0 31 139 11.6
29. Rasheed Sulaimon, Maryland 13 50 23 26 149 11.5
30. Vince Edwards, Purdue 13 51 15 31 148 11.4

REBOUNDING GP OFF. DEF. TOTAL AVG./G
1. Matt Costello, Michigan State 13 48 84 132 10.2
2. Adam Woodbury, Iowa 13 39 82 121 9.3
3. A.J. Hammons, Purdue 13 32 71 103 7.9
4. Caleb Swanigan, Purdue 12 19 75 94 7.8
5. Ethan Happ, Wisconsin 12 27 65 92 7.7
6. Malcolm Hill, Illinois 12 15 74 89 7.4
7. Jarrod Uthoff, Iowa 13 20 73 93 7.2
8. Denzel Valentine, Michigan State 10 12 59 71 7.1
Robert Carter, Maryland 13 21 71 92 7.1
10. Keita Bates-Diop, Ohio State 13 21 69 90 6.9
11. Andrew White III, Nebraska 13 17 70 87 6.7
Jordan Murphy, Minnesota 13 27 60 87 6.7
13. Derrick Walton Jr., Michigan 13 10 75 85 6.5
14. Diamond Stone, Maryland 13 31 50 81 6.2
15. Thomas Bryant, Indiana 13 33 46 79 6.1
16. D.J. Foreman, Rutgers 12 18 54 72 6.0
Brandon Taylor, Penn State 12 19 53 72 6.0
18. Jake Layman, Maryland 13 14 63 77 5.9
19. Vince Edwards, Purdue 13 29 47 76 5.8
20. Trevor Thompson, Ohio State 13 30 44 74 5.7
Deyonta Davis, Michigan State 13 19 55 74 5.7
22. Troy Williams, Indiana 13 19 54 73 5.6

FIELD GOAL PCT GP FG FGA PCT.
1. Thomas Bryant, Indiana 13 62 91 .681
2. Dererk Pardon, Northwestern 13 40 61 .656
3. Deyonta Davis, Michigan State 13 40 67 .597
4. Matt Costello, Michigan State 13 69 119 .580
5. Adam Woodbury, Iowa 13 40 70 .571
Diamond Stone, Maryland 13 64 112 .571
7. Maverick Morgan, Illinois 12 47 83 .566
8. A.J. Hammons, Purdue 13 81 145 .559
9. Mark Donnal, Michigan 13 48 87 .552
10. Robert Carter, Maryland 13 64 118 .542
11. Isaac Haas, Purdue 13 40 74 .541
12. M-A Abdur-Rahkman, Michigan 13 42 80 .525
13. Ethan Happ, Wisconsin 12 54 103 .524
14. Jae'Sean Tate, Ohio State 13 64 123 .520
15. Andrew White III, Nebraska 13 84 163 .515

3-POINT FG PCT. GP FG FGA PCT.
1. Kam Williams, Ohio State 13 26 48 54.2
2. Dom Uhl, Iowa 13 14 26 53.8
3. Denzel Valentine, Michigan State 10 40 80 50.0
4. Aubrey Dawkins, Michigan 13 21 43 48.8
5. Collin Hartman, Indiana 13 16 33 48.5
6. Bryn Forbes, Michigan State 13 39 83 47.0
7. Peter Jok, Iowa 13 35 76 46.1
8. Scottie Lindsey, Northwestern 12 16 35 45.7
9. Rasheed Sulaimon, Maryland 13 23 51 45.1
10. Zak Showalter, Wisconsin 12 13 29 44.8
P.J. Thompson, Purdue 13 13 29 44.8
12. Kevin Yogi Ferrell, Indiana 13 33 74 44.6
13. Andrew White III, Nebraska 13 37 85 43.5
14. Robert Carter, Maryland 13 13 30 43.3
15. Zak Irvin, Michigan 13 27 63 42.9

FREE THROW PCT. GP FT FTA PCT.
1. Vince Edwards, Purdue 13 31 35 88.6
2. Melo Trimble, Maryland 13 50 57 87.7
3. Joey King, Minnesota 13 28 32 87.5
4. Omari Grier, Rutgers 12 30 35 85.7
5. Andrew White III, Nebraska 13 31 37 83.8
6. Derrick Walton Jr., Michigan 13 46 55 83.6
7. Jarrod Uthoff, Iowa 13 58 70 82.9
8. Malcolm Hill, Illinois 12 84 103 81.6
9. Peter Jok, Iowa 13 42 52 80.8
10. Kevin Yogi Ferrell, Indiana 13 51 64 79.7
11. Brandon Taylor, Penn State 12 27 34 79.4
12. Tai Webster, Nebraska 13 30 38 78.9
13. Mike Williams, Rutgers 12 26 33 78.8
14. Diamond Stone, Maryland 13 58 75 77.3
Nate Mason, Minnesota 13 34 44 77.3
Shep Garner, Penn State 12 34 44 77.3

ASSISTS GP NO. AVG.
1. Denzel Valentine, Michigan State 10 72 7.2
2. Bryant McIntosh, Northwestern 13 85 6.5
3. Mike Gesell, Iowa 13 73 5.6
4. Kevin Yogi Ferrell, Indiana 13 70 5.4
5. Melo Trimble, Maryland 13 65 5.0
6. Corey Sanders, Rutgers 12 57 4.8
7. Nate Mason, Minnesota 13 60 4.6
JaQuan Lyle, Ohio State 13 60 4.6
9. Derrick Walton Jr., Michigan 13 46 3.5
Zak Irvin, Michigan 13 46 3.5
Shep Garner, Penn State 12 42 3.5
Robert Johnson, Indiana 13 45 3.5
13. Anthony Clemmons, Iowa 13 44 3.4
14. Rasheed Sulaimon, Maryland 13 39 3.0
Jaylon Tate, Illinois 12 36 3.0
Malcolm Hill, Illinois 12 36 3.0
17. Tre Demps, Northwestern 13 38 2.9
Shavon Shields, Nebraska 11 32 2.9

STEALS GP NO. AVG.
1. Ethan Happ, Wisconsin 12 27 2.3
2. Corey Sanders, Rutgers 12 21 1.8
3. Peter Jok, Iowa 13 22 1.7
4. Derrick Walton Jr., Michigan 13 20 1.5
Kevin Yogi Ferrell, Indiana 13 19 1.5
6. Glynn Watson Jr., Nebraska 13 18 1.4
7. Anthony Clemmons, Iowa 13 17 1.3
Nigel Hayes, Wisconsin 12 15 1.3
9. OG Anunoby, Indiana 13 16 1.2
Tai Webster, Nebraska 13 16 1.2
Melo Trimble, Maryland 13 15 1.2
Matt Costello, Michigan State 13 15 1.2
13. Kendrick Nunn, Illinois 11 12 1.1
Benny Parker, Nebraska 13 14 1.1
Jae'Sean Tate, Ohio State 13 14 1.1
Max Bielfeldt, Indiana 13 14 1.1

 

[OnceAhawk]

Some more stats (Conference games only):

3-POINT FG MADE GP NO. AVG.
1. Denzel Valentine, Michigan State 10 40 4.0
2. Bryn Forbes, Michigan State 13 39 3.0
3. Andrew White III, Nebraska 13 37 2.8
Jalen Coleman-Lands, Illinois 12 33 2.8
5. Kendrick Nunn, Illinois 11 30 2.7
Peter Jok, Iowa 13 35 2.7
7. Kevin Yogi Ferrell, Indiana 13 33 2.5
8. Bronson Koenig, Wisconsin 12 28 2.3
Duncan Robinson, Michigan 13 30 2.3
10. Derrick Walton Jr., Michigan 13 29 2.2
11. Tre Demps, Northwestern 13 27 2.1
Zak Irvin, Michigan 13 27 2.1
13. Kam Williams, Ohio State 13 26 2.0
14. Jarrod Uthoff, Iowa 13 24 1.8
Rasheed Sulaimon, Maryland 13 23 1.8
Joey King, Minnesota 13 23 1.8
Nick Zeisloft, Indiana 13 23 1.8
Aaron Falzon, Northwestern 13 23 1.8

BLOCKED SHOTS GP NO. AVG.
1. Jarrod Uthoff, Iowa 13 39 3.0
2. A.J. Hammons, Purdue 13 32 2.5
3. Diamond Stone, Maryland 13 28 2.2
4. Deyonta Davis, Michigan State 13 26 2.0
5. Matt Costello, Michigan State 13 19 1.5
6. Jake Layman, Maryland 13 18 1.4
Robert Carter, Maryland 13 18 1.4
Keita Bates-Diop, Ohio State 13 18 1.4
Trevor Thompson, Ohio State 13 18 1.4
10. Daniel Giddens, Ohio State 13 17 1.3
11. Jordan Dickerson, Penn State 12 14 1.2
12. Mark Donnal, Michigan 13 13 1.0
Michael Jacobson, Nebraska 13 13 1.0
14. Thomas Bryant, Indiana 13 12 .9
15. Jordan Murphy, Minnesota 13 11 .8
Greg Lewis, Rutgers 12 10 .8
OG Anunoby, Indiana 13 10 .8
Bakary Konate, Minnesota 13 10 .8

ASSIST/TURNOVER RATIO GP ASSISTS AVG. T-OVERS AVG. RATIO
1. Jaylon Tate, Illinois 12 36 3.0 10 0.8 3.6
2. Mike Gesell, Iowa 13 73 5.6 24 1.8 3.0
3. Denzel Valentine, Michigan State 10 72 7.2 25 2.5 2.9
Nate Mason, Minnesota 13 60 4.6 21 1.6 2.9
5. Bryant McIntosh, Northwestern 13 85 6.5 33 2.5 2.6
6. Anthony Clemmons, Iowa 13 44 3.4 18 1.4 2.4
7. Melo Trimble, Maryland 13 65 5.0 33 2.5 2.0
8. JaQuan Lyle, Ohio State 13 60 4.6 31 2.4 1.9
9. Kevin Yogi Ferrell, Indiana 13 70 5.4 39 3.0 1.8
Zak Irvin, Michigan 13 46 3.5 26 2.0 1.8
11. Corey Sanders, Rutgers 12 57 4.8 34 2.8 1.7
12. Derrick Walton Jr., Michigan 13 46 3.5 28 2.2 1.6
Rasheed Sulaimon, Maryland 13 39 3.0 24 1.8 1.6
Shep Garner, Penn State 12 42 3.5 26 2.2 1.6
Robert Johnson, Indiana 13 45 3.5 29 2.2 1.6

OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS GP NO. AVG.
1. Matt Costello, Michigan State 13 48 3.7
2. Adam Woodbury, Iowa 13 39 3.0
3. Thomas Bryant, Indiana 13 33 2.5
Mark Donnal, Michigan 13 32 2.5
A.J. Hammons, Purdue 13 32 2.5
6. Diamond Stone, Maryland 13 31 2.4
7. Greg Lewis, Rutgers 12 28 2.3
Trevor Thompson, Ohio State 13 30 2.3
Ethan Happ, Wisconsin 12 27 2.3
10. Vince Edwards, Purdue 13 29 2.2
Michael Jacobson, Nebraska 13 28 2.2
12. Jordan Murphy, Minnesota 13 27 2.1
13. Jae'Sean Tate, Ohio State 13 25 1.9
Michael Finke, Illinois 11 21 1.9
15. Dererk Pardon, Northwestern 13 24 1.8
Aaron Falzon, Northwestern 13 24 1.8
Max Bielfeldt, Indiana 13 24 1.8

DEFENSIVE REBOUNDS GP NO. AVG.
1. Matt Costello, Michigan State 13 84 6.5
2. Adam Woodbury, Iowa 13 82 6.3
Caleb Swanigan, Purdue 12 75 6.3
4. Malcolm Hill, Illinois 12 74 6.2
5. Denzel Valentine, Michigan State 10 59 5.9
6. Derrick Walton Jr., Michigan 13 75 5.8
7. Jarrod Uthoff, Iowa 13 73 5.6
8. A.J. Hammons, Purdue 13 71 5.5
Robert Carter, Maryland 13 71 5.5
10. Ethan Happ, Wisconsin 12 65 5.4
Andrew White III, Nebraska 13 70 5.4
12. Keita Bates-Diop, Ohio State 13 69 5.3
13. Kendrick Nunn, Illinois 11 57 5.2
14. Jake Layman, Maryland 13 63 4.8
15. Jordan Murphy, Minnesota 13 60 4.6

MINUTES PLAYED GP NO. AVG.
1. Tre Demps, Northwestern 13 482 37.1
2. Bryant McIntosh, Northwestern 13 478 36.8
3. Nigel Hayes, Wisconsin 12 431 35.9
Malcolm Hill, Illinois 12 431 35.9
Kendrick Nunn, Illinois 11 395 35.9
6. Kevin Yogi Ferrell, Indiana 13 465 35.8
Derrick Walton Jr., Michigan 13 465 35.8
8. Corey Sanders, Rutgers 12 427 35.6
9. Zak Irvin, Michigan 13 462 35.5
10. Denzel Valentine, Michigan State 10 349 34.9

 

[unoHawkeye]

What about the guy for Illinois?

The fact that he plays for Illinois probably puts him on second team at best. I think Rutgers has an 18 ppg scorer too that won't do better than second team.

Nigel Hayes was a guy that I forgot about. He's made a strong case and has really stepped up this year.

 

[WORTHYWISH]

If Jok gets his conference avg over 19 pts a game, he'll be 1st team.

 

[OnceAhawk]

If Jok gets his conference avg over 19 pts a game, he'll be 1st team.

That would put him in the top 3 in scoring: how cool would that be?

Individual Statistics (Conference games only)
SCORINGGPFG3FGFTPOINTSAVG./G
1. Denzel Valentine, Michigan State 10 76 40 15 207 20.7
2. Jarrod Uthoff, Iowa 13 85 24 58 252 19.4
3. Corey Sanders, Rutgers 12 85 19 32 221 18.4
4. Andrew White III, Nebraska 13 84 37 31 236 18.2
5. Malcolm Hill, Illinois 12 62 9 84 217 18.1
Nigel Hayes, Wisconsin 12 63 15 76 217 18.1
7. Peter Jok, Iowa 13 78 35 42 233 17.9

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

That would put him in the top 3 in scoring: how cool would that be?

Individual Statistics (Conference games only)
SCORINGGPFG3FGFTPOINTSAVG./G
1. Denzel Valentine, Michigan State 10 76 40 15 207 20.7
2. Jarrod Uthoff, Iowa 13 85 24 58 252 19.4
3. Corey Sanders, Rutgers 12 85 19 32 221 18.4
4. Andrew White III, Nebraska 13 84 37 31 236 18.2
5. Malcolm Hill, Illinois 12 62 9 84 217 18.1
Nigel Hayes, Wisconsin 12 63 15 76 217 18.1
7. Peter Jok, Iowa 13 78 35 42 233 17.9

IMO, the only chance Pete would have to be first-team all B1G would be for the Hawks to win the rest of their conference games and he continue to be putting up big numbers. Even then, other players are more likely (Yogi, Melo, Hayes, Hammons). Sanders, White, and Hill might not be 2nd team (or even 3rd), even though they are 3-5 in conference scoring.

 

[freemanbrenner]

IMO, the only chance Pete would have to be first-team all B1G would be for the Hawks to win the rest of their conference games and he continue to be putting up big numbers. Even then, other players are more likely (Yogi, Melo, Hayes, Hammons). Sanders, White, and Hill might not be 2nd team (or even 3rd), even though they are 3-5 in conference scoring.

Iowa is in first in conference. If Jok averages 15-18 ppg the last 6, hes a first team all big ten player. I think at minimum he is second team all big ten. The guys you listed in sanders, white and hill are up there un scoring but their teams have bad records and it's so tough to get postseason awards on bad teams.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Iowa is in first in conference. If Jok averages 15-18 ppg the last 6, hes a first team all big ten player. I think at minimum he is second team all big ten. The guys you listed in sanders, white and hill are up there un scoring but their teams have bad records and it's so tough to get postseason awards on bad teams.

I think Pete will be 2nd team, but he has to displace Yogi, Melo, Nigel or Hammons. Since Jarrod is already first team and Pete isn't a senior, it is easier to vote him second team. Personally, I don't think Mel, Yogi or Hammons have been playing that great. Nigel has been great over the past month.

 

[freemanbrenner]

I think Pete will be 2nd team, but he has to displace Yogi, Melo, Nigel or Hammons. Since Jarrod is already first team and Pete isn't a senior, it is easier to vote him second team. Personally, I don't think Mel, Yogi or Hammons have been playing that great. Nigel has been great over the past month.

Yep. jok will be one the three best players in the big ten along oath Nigel Hayes and miles bridges

 

[MTHawkeyes43]

Jok is not deserving of 1st Team All B1G. He is pretty much a one-dimensional scorer that plays average defense. He cannot create his own shot and when he tries he turns into a turnover machine. To be a 1st Team All Conference a player must contribute in well in multiple facets of the game and Jok is just not that player!

 

[WORTHYWISH]

Jok is not deserving of 1st Team All B1G. He is pretty much a one-dimensional scorer that plays average defense. He cannot create his own shot and when he tries he turns into a turnover machine. To be a 1st Teal All Conference a player must contribute in well in multiple facets of the game and Jok is just not that player!

You serious, Clark?

STEALS PER GAME in the B1G:

1. Corey Sanders 1.7

2. Derrick Walton Jr. 1.7

3. Ethan Happ 1.6

4. Peter Jok 1.5

5. Jae'Sean Tate 1.3

 

[Mohawkeye]

Jok is not deserving of 1st Team All B1G. He is pretty much a one-dimensional scorer that plays average defense. He cannot create his own shot and when he tries he turns into a turnover machine. To be a 1st Teal All Conference a player must contribute in well in multiple facets of the game and Jok is just not that player!

I'm not sure what you mean when you say he cannot create his own shot. He can get his shot off over virtually anyone and he has a nice pull up jumper off the dribble. It is true he often gets into trouble when he drives too far to the hole, but I think it is highly inaccurate to say he can't create his own shot.

 

[Curt Furence]

Jok is not deserving of 1st Team All B1G. He is pretty much a one-dimensional scorer that plays average defense. He cannot create his own shot and when he tries he turns into a turnover machine. To be a 1st Teal All Conference a player must contribute in well in multiple facets of the game and Jok is just not that player!

The last two years that would have absolutely been true but he has been a much more versatile player this year. He has finished around the rim a lot more this year, along with being a much improved defender. How many steals has he turned into fast break points himself?

 

[Curt Furence]

The fact that he plays for Illinois probably puts him on second team at best. I think Rutgers has an 18 ppg scorer too that won't do better than second team.

Nigel Hayes was a guy that I forgot about. He's made a strong case and has really stepped up this year.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...ers-rutgers-scarlet-knights-suspended-2-weeks
Well Sanders from Rutgers may have just relegated himself to Honorable Mention tops.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

My guess is he'll be 2nd team. 1st team next season.

 

[MTHawkeyes43]

I'm not sure what you mean when you say he cannot create his own shot. He can get his shot off over virtually anyone and he has a nice pull up jumper off the dribble. It is true he often gets into trouble when he drives too far to the hole, but I think it is highly inaccurate to say he can't create his own shot.

Exactly my point!!! He typically does not catch and create when guarded tightly in man-to-man. He does not beat people off of the bounce.

 

[Curt Furence]

My guess is he'll be 2nd team. 1st team next season.

I think you are probably right. He may sneak on as a coaches pick or media pick but don't see him making both.

Tough to get two guys on 1st team in a 14 team league, even if they are both deserving

 

[MTHawkeyes43]

The last two years that would have absolutely been true but he has been a much more versatile player this year. He has finished around the rim a lot more this year, along with being a much improved defender. How many steals has he turned into fast break points himself?

Live ball turnovers create run-out baskets. He has improved, I believe the premise of the thread centers on whether he is a 1st Team All Conference selection. I do not believe that he is and stated why. You are pointing to his improvement, which I do not disagree with; however, in my opinion he is not 1st team this year. Time will tell whether I am right or wrong.

 

[hawksense]

Idea. Let the season finish first, and then see what you think. Lots of games to play and stat stuffing to boot. These are crunch time games, too.

 

[Curt Furence]

Live ball turnovers create run-out baskets. He has improved, I believe the premise of the thread centers on whether he is a 1st Team All Conference selection. I do not believe that he is and stated why. You are pointing to his improvement, which I do not disagree with; however, in my opinion he is not 1st team this year. Time will tell whether I am right or wrong.

So he needs to create more dead ball turnovers... Got it.

I don't think he will get it, but if he continues to play like he has in conference he absolutely would be deserving, as the thread title states.

 

[wyohawk]

First Team:
G Ferrell - IND
G Valentine - MSU
F Hayes - WIS
F Uthoff - IOWA
C Hammons - PUR

Second Team:
G Trimble - MARY
G Jok - IOWA
G Forbes - MSU or Hill - ILL
F Shields - NEB or Carter - MARY
C Costello - MSU

Freshman:
G Sanders - RUTG
G Lyle - OSU
F Happ - WIS or Davis - MSU
F Swanigan - PUR
C Bryant - IND

 

[Mohawkeye]

Exactly my point!!! He typically does not catch and create when guarded tightly in man-to-man. He does not beat people off of the bounce.

I don't think you read the rest of my post. He is very good when he pulls up for a 15 footer off the bounce. And he doesn't need to beat guys off the bounce because with his quick release he can shoot it to 24 feet with s guy in his face. I don't think you can say he doesn't create his own shot.

 

[Tratzman]

With the exception of Valentine and Uthoff, there may no more deserving player for First Team All Big Ten than Jok. He's been spectacular in all facets of the game. I'd definitely vote him the Most Improved Player in the Big Ten as well.