I agree, he reminds me of Jamal Crawford and I think that's what OP was talking about. Dude can score with the best of em, but when it comes to everything else it's like he doesn't try. Same with Crawford, he was always right there for 6th man of the year in the NBA but clearly needs to come off the bench. Jok has to start for Iowa but at a different level all he's good for is his shooting.
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I agree, he reminds me of Jamal Crawford and I think that's what OP was talking about. Dude can score with the best of em, but when it comes to everything else it's like he doesn't try. Same with Crawford, he was always right there for 6th man of the year in the NBA but clearly needs to come off the bench. Jok has to start for Iowa but at a different level all he's good for is his shooting.
I wish every year, what ever team it is would bring the leading scorer in the B1G off the bench.. . . . . As long as that team is never Iowa.
Priceless. "All he is good for is shooting". Shooters win games, especially the best shooter in the Big Ten according to scoring average this year. We got out on Indiana on many of their threes last night and they still sunk baskets like rain. All Blackford was good for last night was shooting contested threes, one after another. Jok's defense did not cause us to lose by 22. Indiana's great outside shooting is why Iowa lost.
This board listens too much to what announcers like Dakich. Dakich makes his living by stirring the pot. I like listening to Dakich but his opinions and remarks are based on a snapshots of players and games he has seen.
Did you ever watch Jok off the ball on offense this year? He worked his tail off to get open while being grabbed and bumped the whole time. Every team we played had one focus on defense and that was Jok and Jok alone. Do you recall any other Hawkeye in recent memory who had to create so many of his own shots? How about free throws? Anyone better in recent memory?
"All Jok is good for is shooting" hahhahahahhahahha HILARIOUS!
Did you not watch Jok play matador defense in the lane at least 4 times last night? That doesn't count the two times he was taken off the dribble from the top of the key in the second half (both within about 3 possessions of each other). Iowa did nothing to protect the lane in the first half especially in transition and Indiana was able to move and shoot with ease. That is the perfect storm for shooters to find a rhythm and even when defenses come at them, there confidence is so high they are not bothered. Heck, even Bohanon fell in that trap when he hit his first five 3's, he took a couple of shots that probably were not in the offense but he had that feeling. Shooters have good nights and bad nights, but Iowa consistently makes other players good shooters. I think defense is the reason.
I've noticed he likes to save his fouls for when he gets beat as a cop out. If he's at any risk of fouling out he would rather let them go by then try and make a legitimate defensive effort. I have also been disappointed countless times this year by his lazy transition defense. I'm not sure if he's on his NBA high horse but hopefully he knows the reality of the situation... His stock is nearly non-existent. I am very appreciative of everything Jok has done for this program and he is probably one of the most gifted shooters we will ever see in a Hawks uniform. That being said I really do think we will be a better team without him. He seems like the outlier this year effort wise. I think that has to rub some of the other guys busting ass on both sides of the floor wrong.
Some might ask how we plan to make up 21 points a game but I'm not concerned in the slightest because getting his defense out of here will save 10-12 alone. Thanks for all you've done, Pete, but there's just simply no excuse for the laziness. Nobody gets a free pass just because they're All B1G. Gifted scorer, but lazy as Hell. That will be his legacy here IMO. I'm not a die hard Jok hater but I've seen the laziness too many times now to just brush it off. Especially in a game of that magnitude, not that it would have mattered in hindsight.
Obviously Jok is a great shooter/scorer. That is something that we can all agree with. Yes he did achieve first team all B1G and led the league in scoring... that is because he is a great shooter/scorer.
The problem with Jok is that he is mediocre to poor in every other aspect of the game except maybe rebounding you could argue. I'm proud of him and all that he has accomplished, but that doesn't mean that I can't think that the team will be better off without him. He is extremely weak and careless with the ball, and he is atrocious on the defensive end mostly because of effort. He is a shell of himself when teams get physical with him.
Just because you achieve individual awards does not mean that you automatically make a team better. Also, I think that he would be a much better player if he wasn't the center of attention for opposing defenses.
The problem with Jok is that he is mediocre to poor in every other aspect of the game except maybe rebounding you could argue. I'm proud of him and all that he has accomplished, but that doesn't mean that I can't think that the team will be better off without him. He is extremely weak and careless with the ball, and he is atrocious on the defensive end mostly because of effort. He is a shell of himself when teams get physical with him.
Just because you achieve individual awards does not mean that you automatically make a team better. Also, I think that he would be a much better player if he wasn't the center of attention for opposing defenses.
Lol yeah lets have one of the best players in the big come off the bench, the stupidness on this board is amazing sometimes.
The problem with Jok is that he is still injured to some degree. People forget so quickly about injuries but when you actually play a sport and you have a nagging injury, it stays with you and affects your game, sometimes in ways even you don't realize. Jok has never been quite the same since the back issues. He hasn't really been our go-to guy to win games this year. Just look at the multiple 2OT losses where we fed the ball to Jok only to suffer a turnover and lose the game. The same exact thing would have happened at Wisconsin if Bohannon didn't have time for a second opportunity.
One thing I will miss is Jok's ability to pick up contact and go to the line. He had a gift for it that you could tell frustrates the other guys to no end. He has kind of a slinky, slippery nature to his movement, which results in a lot of fouls that other guys wouldn't attract. His free throw shooting is impeccable. And when he's on fire from behind the arc, the game is as good as won.
But you simply can't ignore the laziness with his ball handling, the lack of physicality in later games, the turnovers, and the bad attitude that he has at seemingly every game.
Again, great player, sucks to see him go, but let's not pretend like he had a pristine season.
One thing I will miss is Jok's ability to pick up contact and go to the line. He had a gift for it that you could tell frustrates the other guys to no end. He has kind of a slinky, slippery nature to his movement, which results in a lot of fouls that other guys wouldn't attract. His free throw shooting is impeccable. And when he's on fire from behind the arc, the game is as good as won.
But you simply can't ignore the laziness with his ball handling, the lack of physicality in later games, the turnovers, and the bad attitude that he has at seemingly every game.
Again, great player, sucks to see him go, but let's not pretend like he had a pristine season.
Okay coach, but yes we will miss PETER JOK, he has won more game`s for IOWA than he`s lost. Thanks Dude....
I lost a lot of respect for Peter Jok last night, from the opening tip he just had the look of someone who didn't have any interest or any heart. The lack of hustle from him last night was appalling and his turnovers were extremely dumb and were inexcusable, and some of his shots looked like what he did in fresh/soph. years. Pete has done many great things for this program but I'm ready for him to be gone. Someone correct me if I'm taking it too far.
I am not sure how anyone can argue he is not lazy on defense and with the ball? He probably leads the team in TO's. The problem IMO is he thinks he is really good, thus the attitude. I personally do not care for lazy players.
You're right. Jok should come off the bench in the 1st half and it is stupid for people to think otherwise.
I agree with that! Good work, Gem.
Well usually every other team that has a leading scorer in the conference in a given year doesn't make the mistakes that Jok makes right out of the gates in the 1st half especially when teams key on him and get extra physical....right out of the gates. And they also manage to play defense even if their shot isn't falling and aren't as concerned about fouling (especially when playing Iowa because they know B10 refs won't do sh**)........in the 1st half.
So yeah, I'd love it too if every other team sat their best scorer against Iowa.....or never even played. (Though we'd still find a way to let some scrub come off the bench and go for 17 and 11 against us just because.......)
My comments about him aren't because of one game. I've seen it all season. I have season tickets and I've watched every game. If he's one on one guarding someone on a fast break he doesn't try at all. If he gets crossed over he lets them go instead of attempting to do anything about it. Like I said, he is an amazing shooter. One of the best I've seen at Iowa when he is on. He is also one of the laziest defenders. That's something you should get better at as a senior. Not worse. I don't listen to Dan Dakich either. I could care less about him. You don't have to get all bent out of shape because I asked for an opinion.
A lot of people going back and forth on jok. It boils down to jok is a great shooter and has won the hawks some games. He will go down as maybe the best pure shooter iowa has ever had. But on the flip side he probably has cost iowa a game or two with his terrible lazy defense and his carelessness with the ball at times. It is no crime pointing out his strengths AND his weaknesses like some seem to think.
Hardly bent out of shape. Just spirited debate. I just thought the remark "all he is good for is shooting" was funny. As if being able to shoot the eyes out of a basketball brings little value to the game. Not exactly a sport where an individual's defense reaps recognition and reward.
I understand the defensive criticism, just do not agree his defense is as poor as you do.
So Dakich is stirring the pot by stating the obvious? That makes sense.
Shooting may win some games, bad defense and turnovers lose games.
You act like Jok is the only player to try to get open off screens. There always has been and always will be grabbing and bumping that goes on in that situation.
He lets it get in his head and take him out of the game.
I thought it was in poor taste for ESPN to show video edits of Jok not hustling and Dakich making a point of it when Indiana had pulled away. It was the perfect recipe for reducing all this kid's upside as being just another prima donna. And by the looks of this board it worked.
I enjoyed watching this kid and I hope he goes out on a high note.
Well you would be wrong about Dakich'[s influence on me. I have always thought Jok dogged way too often.
This discussion just goes to prove that Iowa has more assh*le fans than anyone but Penn State .
I am embarrassed and angry that we have so many mentally unbalanced fans and I pray that they are not parents.
Peter Jok deserves our respect. We won 18 games this year. We may have won 10 without him.
I am embarrassed and angry that we have so many mentally unbalanced fans and I pray that they are not parents.
Peter Jok deserves our respect. We won 18 games this year. We may have won 10 without him.
Why is it in poor taste? You may not like it, but this is big boy basketball. You don't think pro scouts notice more than Dan Dakich? If you don't hustle or run back, it gets exposed. Any reducing of Jok's upside is his own doing, NBA scouts couldn't give two farts what Dakich thinks. They do care when a player doesn't give effort. That doesn't take talent to do that.
The last time I checked Peter Jok is a collegiate athlete, not a professional. Unless he is committing a crime other than possibly playing poor defense, then he should not be made the scapegoat by a network broadcasting an amateur basketball game. Indiana shot incredible last night and the folks broadcasting the game wanted to take the opportunity to shape it as Jok's alleged lack of effort was the primary reason Iowa got rolled.
Yes this is " big boy basketball" played by very young men who have not received one professional dime. When Jok plays professionally whether it be here or abroad, the media can expose and critique his lack of effort all they want.
Not sure I understand how NBA scouts come into topic?
Its always been this way.
No ones saying Iowa lost because of him but that crap rubs people the wrong way.
Every one complaining about people pointing out joks faults probably thinks everyone should get a participation trophy also i have a feeling.
A "participation trophy" reference. I think I get it KW, you think people to be a little soft because they challenge posters debasing Iowa athletes?
We all have our passions when it comes to Iowa basketball. It is what makes this board continue to roll.
BTW just let me have the last word and let this post die a good death....
He's always been a terrible ball handler, and he actually improved to just not very good, and sometimes awful. So it got better. Jok is a lights out spot up shooter, that is for certain. Not sure of his level of "give a damn", but some of his turnovers are very irritating, junior high type stuff.
I'm not one to automatically say we'll be better without him, but it really wouldn't surprise me. The offense with the right people on the floor (cough, cough, Fran) really did seem to flow better more often when Jok was hurt or out. Then there were times that Jok caught fire, those were great moments, just not enough of them. Pete's been a good player for sure. Not sure how much we'll miss him, but I guess we'll find out. Good luck to Peter Jok wherever the road takes him. (but go ahead and kick some ass in the NIT before it's all over will ya Pete???)
The effort was there by most of the players. Bohannon, Pemsl, Moss all played very well and with excellent effort. Jok might have well stayed home.
Because you said Dakich pointing out his lack of hustle was hurting his upside. By upside, since he is a college senior, that would be professional basketball.
The reality of it is that Division I basketball comes under scrutiny because people want to watch about it/care about it. It's not being unfair to point out lack of effort.
It's all about attitude and effort here. At one point Jok was taken out of the game and a coach or player said something to him and he rolled his eyes, laid back in the chair, and put a towel over his face. To me it seemed like a player or coach trying to point something out to him but Jok took the entitled route.
I appreciate the 4 years from him and the games he had won. But this was his senior year as the leader of our team and he chose not to give max effort or attitude in a game that could of decided if we went to NCAA tournament.
I appreciate the 4 years from him and the games he had won. But this was his senior year as the leader of our team and he chose not to give max effort or attitude in a game that could of decided if we went to NCAA tournament.
