JON MILLER
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the only similarity is the demonic possession aspect, completely different book/film
The face off with the demon/killer and detective. All trapped in a room together. There was also a couple other similarities.
Fair enough, the exorcist is one of my all time favorites, Deace movie was meh
We could go round and round on semantics for a long time, but "social safety net" has the word social in it. So socially, you're on the left.
I don't think it's crazy to say economically, you're a conservative.
Unless you would deny that that there are those on the left who are economically on the left, in the sense that they hate capitalism and want to get rid of it.
There are many on the left who would never utter the phrase "the awesomeness of our capitalist society."
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A simpler way of having the conversation would be to say that I firmly believe that in a democracy, government and government agencies can and should be a source for good and utilized to promote equality and fairness, sometimes even in the economic realm (i.e. a relatively high minium wage, protections for unions, robust safety regulations, anti-monopoly rules with teeth, etc.)
I don't believe that makes me economically conservative.
OK. Agree to disagree.
I think you find it objectionable to be called a conservative in any way, shape, or form.
Lots of leftists hate capitalism. You're not one of them, and that's fine.
Can't think of a conservative who hates capitalism.
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I consider myself economically moderate and socially liberal, basically.
Not extreme in my view, but he did definitely lean left now. He was much more chill than he was back in the day, but maybe he just had a bad night. That's what I prefer to think.
Yet they sure don't mind the government handouts.
I would understand this if you had written what I changed it to here.
But I don’t get the “to sustain our institutions”.
Can you elaborate?
That's one thing I will never understand. It's a handout for a poor person but a subisdy for a rich person or large corporation.
I say that, occasionally. Just this weekend some friends were talking about a little kid who came up with a way to market a device that helps break in a baseball glove, and after pitching it on Shark Tank he’s made millions; we all marveled at how great that aspect of Capitalism is.
On the other hand, I think most liberals understand that while capitalism has allowed us to prosper, it has inherent weaknesses for which we constantly need to be vigilant about adjusting. So an unconditional “Capitalism is Awesome!” declaration is not likely to come out of our mouths.
Yes, those few Americans who dislike capitalism are overwhelmingly on the left. But it does not follow that most on the left don’t support capitalism. We’re just more likely to support guardrails.
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This was The Exorcist III. It starred George C. Scott. The young priest who took the demon onto himself and fell out the window. Is in lockup in either an insane asylum or prison can’t remember. George C. Scott in his last good job of acting played the detective interviewing him trying to get information out of him. Kinda a pre Silence of the Lambs set up as well.
Good for Steve he got something made. I just didn’t see any originality
God knows we need more of them!
Deace is probably in line for some Federal position now…..like Chief of Elementary School Curriculum….
It's the same concept as this:
A crazy person who is poor, is crazy.
A crazy person who is rich, is eccentric.
As good as capitalism is overall, history has taught us that it is not without its warts. Particularly, that unbridled capitalism leads to the pursuit of profit over all other concerns; which leads to wealth being concentrated in the hands of a few, subpar/dangerous working conditions, etc.
Republican economic policy today seems to lean heavily on tax cuts/deregulation. Both of which tend to adversely effect the majority of society more than others.
I don't know what is weider. Jon Miller having a melt down or someone following Jon Miller and knowing about a melt down. lol.
I've not seen the Exorcist series so I can't say if you're right or not. But I thought the movie was well done and interesting.
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I consider myself a leftist on most social issues, won’t go to the extremes, with a strong financial conservative viewpoint. Whether Jon got into crypto to make money quick (most likely my guess), learned a lot more during being invested, or like me looked at the prospects of a declining dollar, with a new investment class as an opportunity politics generally wasn’t involved with the original investment thesis. Only these last 4 years where the Biden administration has been anti crypto has there been a switch where republicans are more friendly to the industry. In either case I don’t vote because of my investments. Even though they may go up more in a Trump administration (for me it will go up no matter what). Just follow the 4 year cycle patterns.
Horror movies or any movie actually can be good and have a conservative message, Whether intentional or not. Get Out don’t trust people who flaunt their white liberal bonafides. It Follows, sex always has consequences. Almost every demonic possession movie is about the power of faith or lack there of.
I just prefer some originality in the art. Granted It Follows stole heavily from The Ring. But they had a decent twist and execution. Nefarious I didn’t really see much of that. Something can be well made and still lack depth.
Pretty odd then that him and the CEO did a podcast 2 weeks ago. Flashpoint Partners. I could care less about Miller, but let’s not throw out false information. I do know many energy companies went bankrupt and restructured in 2021. No idea if that occurred here but this is very much an active company it appears.
My bad. That's what I heard a couple years ago...
Pretty sure I heard him say it a couple years ago on a podcast.
I still don't believe that Miller went lib. He was so damn Con sanctimonious on his central Iowa radio show. I guess I need evidence. Naturally.
I didn't see this is as a "horror movie" but I suppose that genre fits as well as any other. I thought there were some memorable lines, some stuff that came right from the book, and some really intense dialogue which made the movie unique to what I had seen otherwise. I've heard it resembles something called the Screw Tape Letters.
I follow him on Twitter. If he’s not a lib, he’s fiercely anti-Trump. Socially, he’s very liberal which I think is where most of his Republican critiques come from. And then naturally he hates Trump’s demagoguery.
I don’t think he is doing anymore podcasts. I really enjoyed listening to him and Williams. I don’t get the hate, people change.
I think he’s more on standby with Williams. Chris has said that Miller travels a lot for work and it just doesn’t fit to have a regularly scheduled show. But they still do an occasional one-off and Miller writes posts for the Iowa Everywhere website
LOL. Often one is not paid a living wage, while the other, in most cases, doesn't produce any more with our money. But go ahead and give your money to the rich.
