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So why am I having to prove Moore wants to play right away? This started with, "Moore isn't concerned about playing time".

My original statement was how do you or anyone else know that Moore decided not to visit Iowa based on playing time. Was it one of the factors he was looking for in picking a school. Yes, was it the only factor no. But people post as if this kid doesn't want to come to Iowa because he doesn't want to compete for time etc. it's laughable when a recruit people are praising decides to go somewhere besides Iowa then start hearing negative comments on him since he didn't pick Iowa.
 
Jordan reminds me of a shorter (by 4") Ellingson. I am not sure if that is what Iowa really needs. Don't get me wrong, I think that the kid is a player but I just think Iowa can do better. I hope that if Bohannon comes here that he proves me wrong




Can we get rid of you? I don't think this board or the Iowa Hawkeye basketball team need people like you taking shots at potential recruits.
 
lenoxhawks.....I think it is a better idea if you get gone. You sound like you are related to the Bohannon's and wanting to get the family back in Iowa's good graces after years of badgering and bad mouthing the Hawkeyes.
That's funny coming from a guy who acts as if Bohannon stole his girlfriend. I don't care if JB is a Hawk or not. I am glad with whoever Fran thinks is worthy of a scholarship. Too bad you guys can't enjoy that instead of being so negative towards high school kids and acting like teenage girls.
 
That's funny coming from a guy who acts as if Bohannon stole his girlfriend. I don't care if JB is a Hawk or not. I am glad with whoever Fran thinks is worthy of a scholarship. Too bad you guys can't enjoy that instead of being so negative towards high school kids and acting like teenage girls.
To my knowledge Fran hasn't offered him yet.
 
I heard Mr. Kakert on TV yesterday allude to the fact that there is a general dearth of talent in Illinois this year so the "handlers" have devoted their attention to Moore. Someone seems to have gotten into Charlie's ear. Business as usual for Chicago.
No particular diss of Moore, but this seems likely. It would make his sudden disinterest after his recent big interest make sense.
 
My original statement was how do you or anyone else know that Moore decided not to visit Iowa based on playing time. Was it one of the factors he was looking for in picking a school. Yes, was it the only factor no. But people post as if this kid doesn't want to come to Iowa because he doesn't want to compete for time etc. it's laughable when a recruit people are praising decides to go somewhere besides Iowa then start hearing negative comments on him since he didn't pick Iowa.

So than, if I understand correctly. You are kind of crossing over from disagreeing with what a person thinks, into disapproval of what a person thinks.

And in that moment it becomes ok to find another persons thoughts laughable, and make general statements like "people are praising....".

I don't know what to say, 17. I wished the kid luck in the post you are complaining about. I think I have an idea of why he picked the four schools he did and I think it does have something to do with his desire to start right away and to do so by avoiding as much competition as possible. Moore played beside Marcus Lovett Jr. last season and I think that was kind of hard on the kid being second to someone else.

I don't get a good vibe about him and I've said as much. Go ahead and disagree, but you might as well drop the disapproval part...I'm not looking for approval on this board, just saying what I think.
 
Back In the late 60's we had a pretty good team with Chad Calabria at point. He had a great shot at the key but was not a slasher or a player that one would consider overly quick. He did however have a great supporting cast in Freddy Brown.John Johnson, and Glen Vidnovic. Leave Calabria open and he would knock it down.

Bohannon has great range and that shot from the top of the key. He is also quicker than Calabria and would have some pretty good shooters (Fleming, Jok, Ellingson) to distribute the ball to as well. Leave him open and Jordan would knock it down as well.

...our family was very close to Chad (very close)....actual Calabria did not play point ...Fred Brown handled bringing the ball up more so than #43......Chad played more off guard...and while he had a decent outside shot..he wasn't afraid to take it to the hole..

take a look at the free throw attempts between Brown & Calabria and you will see Chad drove a lot more than Brown....Calabria 146 attempts to browns 86..

I will say Bohannon does look a little like a 20 year old Calabria.
 
...our family was very close to Chad (very close)....actual Calabria did not play point ...Fred Brown handled bringing the ball up more so than #43......Chad played more off guard...and while he had a decent outside shot..he wasn't afraid to take it to the hole..

take a look at the free throw attempts between Brown & Calabria and you will see Chad drove a lot more than Brown....Calabria 146 attempts to browns 86..

I will say Bohannon does look a little like a 20 year old Calabria.
Chad played more at the top of the key than did Freddy Brown who would shoot a lot expecially from the left side of the court. Iowa was a great running team that no one in the B10 could keep up with. Ralph Miller didn't really like guards driving that much to the basket because he felt that their shots or layups would get blocked by bigger forwards and centers. His goal was for the open uncontested shot on offense and during practice he would yell at players that would drive and take off balance shots instead of shooting the open 10 to 15 foot shot. Against Purdue and Rick Mount, Ralph's plan was not to double team Mount (like so many other teams did) but was to shoot at a higher % than Purdue. Mount scored > 50 points at Purdue against Iowa but Iowa still won because their shooting % was higher.

Chad may not have dribbled the ball down the court as a PG all the time but he set up at the top of the key and his shot was from the top of the key. Brown was a great passer as was John Johnson. It was great to watch this team play because they were so efficient on offense and they didn't take bad shots. Bohannon is at least 2 inches shorter than Calabria and Chad was more highly recruited (supposedly over 75 offers). Jordan however has that great shot from the top of the key that Gesell and Clemmons can not make consistently and he doesn't hesitate to take the open shot.
 
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...our family was very close to Chad (very close)....actual Calabria did not play point ...Fred Brown handled bringing the ball up more so than #43......Chad played more off guard...and while he had a decent outside shot..he wasn't afraid to take it to the hole..

take a look at the free throw attempts between Brown & Calabria and you will see Chad drove a lot more than Brown....Calabria 146 attempts to browns 86..

I will say Bohannon does look a little like a 20 year old Calabria.
Remember how Calabria used to follow his jump shots and often picked up easy baskets after his initial missed shots? A lost art.
 
"follow your shot" is the phrase most uttered by people who have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to basketball.
You're right, I really don't know anything about basketball. However, I really must question your great court knowledge/experience if you don't think that was a staple of Calabria's game.
 
You're right, I really don't know anything about basketball. However, I really must question your great court knowledge/experience if you don't think that was a staple of Calabria's game.

;) Ralph Miller must not have known anything either than. Pretty good company to be in. A good shooter will know if he's missed and where the rebound will go.
 
Out of the 4 guards Fran just signed Flemming fits that bill the least by far.

Moss, Hutton and Williams would all fit that description, all three are 6'5 or
bigger, can handle the ball and finish above the rim.

Seriously watch their videos, Iowas athleticism got a big upgrade with those three.


I forgot about Williams too. He's 6'6" with a 7' wingspan and Hutton is 6'5" with a 6'11" wingspan. that's some serious length from our wings/guards
 
Unless Fran has straight up told point guard recruits "Connor will be starting from day one," I don't see how they can be that concerned with playing time... at least no more than the average recruit.

Maybe Christian Williams is actually a stud, which would be great, but I don't see him being a huge factor at PG for a few years (maybe a progression similar to Devyn Marble). Fran is not naive enough to start his kid at the point if he isn't the best one for the job. Maybe Connor will see quality minutes early, but any potential recruit should realistically have 2 or 3 years to cement themselves as the starter with relatively little competition.

I feel like the expectation that Connor is going to come in and immediately be a high D1 quality player and starter is a stretch. I'm not trying to be too down on him, (he's probably a fundamentally sound player) but I think it's unrealistic to expect him to be physically ready to go up against the quick guards in the B1G as a freshman
 
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It was Brown at the top more than Chad....much more..in fact it was Brown who took the outside shot out front against Jacksonville (missed it and followed his shot to score the go ahead with "too much time on the clock").... I know...I was there.

Ralph brought in Brown because he knew Chad was not the greatest ball handler...in fact if you want to use the word point...it was Ron Norman who played it in 68 (not Chad) and it was Chris Philips who played point in 69....Chad did a little but he wasn't the #1 point guard.

Chad was very unique considering his height...to be able to pull up and hit shots...but also get to the hole...thus as I pointed out Calabria shot a lot more free throws than Brown....because Brown did most of his damage at the top of the key...not a lot of fouling going on out there...
 
A game manager with a pretty good outside shot isn't a bad thing at all, but is it the best fit for the offense that Fran wants to run? Outside of Woodbury, this team is built to run up and down the court. Especially with this years class.
If you've got a team that you are looking to get out on the break as much as possible I would rather have the speedy point with solid ball handling skills on the run even if his outside shot is spotty.
 
A game manager with a pretty good outside shot isn't a bad thing at all, but is it the best fit for the offense that Fran wants to run? Outside of Woodbury, this team is built to run up and down the court. Especially with this years class.
If you've got a team that you are looking to get out on the break as much as possible I would rather have the speedy point with solid ball handling skills on the run even if his outside shot is spotty.

You would think speed would be important for a point guard on the fast break, and it doesn't hurt, but I actually think it isn't as important for a fast break team as a half court team. Court awareness and passing skills are more important. I always thought Jeff Horner ran the fast break as well as anyone because he always kept his eyes up and he was a terrific cross court passer. B.J. Armstrong wasn't terribly fast, but he also had great vision and passing skills. I'm not saying Bohannon is the guy, I hope we wait until Spring to decide, but my concern isn't his skill on the fast break.
 
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You would think speed would be important for a point guard on the fast break, and it doesn't hurt, but I actually think it isn't as important for a fast break team as a half court team. Court awareness and passing skills are more important. I always thought Jeff Horner ran the fast break as well as anyone because he always kept his eyes up and he was a terrific cross court passer. B.J. Armstrong wasn't terribly fast, but he also had great vision and passing skills. I'm not saying Bohannon is the guy, I hope we wait until Spring to decide, but my concern isn't his skill on the fast break.

I think it will be more likely that the staff decides in late September or October.
 
It was Brown at the top more than Chad....much more..in fact it was Brown who took the outside shot out front against Jacksonville (missed it and followed his shot to score the go ahead with "too much time on the clock").... I know...I was there.

Ralph brought in Brown because he knew Chad was not the greatest ball handler...in fact if you want to use the word point...it was Ron Norman who played it in 68 (not Chad) and it was Chris Philips who played point in 69....Chad did a little but he wasn't the #1 point guard.

Chad was very unique considering his height...to be able to pull up and hit shots...but also get to the hole...thus as I pointed out Calabria shot a lot more free throws than Brown....because Brown did most of his damage at the top of the key...not a lot of fouling going on out there...
I guess that I must have selective memory when it comes to remembering the shots that Chad made from the top of the key. Brown could hit from all over the place. I do remember Chad following his missed shots at times when he knew where to retrieve the ball. I just don't remember him scoring that much with jump shots from the corners (like Brown) although my memory might be hazy with that as well. The pace that Iowa played with was amazing against other B10 teams considering the number of players that they used in the rotation. Other teams just got gassed trying to keep up with Iowa's running game.

Thanks for correcting my misstatements about who actually played the PG position.
 
If you are a jump shooter, the last thing I want you to do is "follow your shot". If you're a 3/4/5 and you've shot something mid range, go ahead and hit the glass.

But guards? Hold the follow through then get back.

I hate hate hate when people yell FOLLOW YOUR SHOT!!!!
 
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"Follow your shot".

First off back in Chad's day there wasn't a three point line. But he is a little before my time. So let's update this to Kevin Boyle who had one a sweet little baseline shot from about twelve feet and he did indeed follow his shot. Anyone think that was a mistake? Now talk to Ralph Miller and Lute Olson and teach them how to coach. Because I know in one case, and suspect in the other, we are not talking about shots from long distance.

Second, yes once players were pushed back to the three point line , "Follow your shot" became a rather lame idea. But because of the distance to the rim, not because it gives a shooter the idea he will miss or effects his shooting mechanics. (Who comes up with these? :))

Think about this. The smart move for the long distance shooter to make is to be prepared to cover the court against a break off a rebound. But tell them one or the other:

"Follow your shot", "Get to the top of the key to cover the break", and you are still suggesting they will miss, and if you are going to screw up their mechanics either statement will do just as good a job of it.

I would almost accept that, "Follow your shot", went out with the midrange game. But complaining about Calabria following his shot is not historically accurate to the game.

Next I suppose we'll be saying Ronnie should never have penetrated as it left the opposing point guard primed for an outlet pass. (The accurate answer would be in the rotation someone should always be moving to the top of the key.) And again, where was Chad when he took the shot? If he's one of the wings and close enough he's going to have the best idea of anyone where the rebound will be.
 
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Moore might still visit, yes? I agree it's frustrating and maybe Fran should move on from the guy but he still could take an official to Iowa.
 
Dude, stop.

If you are talking to me, I'll tell you I've followed basketball since 1974 and kind of know a little. More than just your blanket, "Never follow your shot". If you watch a game beyond just following who has the ball you will see motion in an offense. Motion that means your two guards aren't always going to be the two guys closest to the top of the key.

Your statement, "If you are a 3, 4 or 5?", makes no sense whatsoever. But I'm sure McCaffery will be glad to tell Fleming that if he takes a midrange shot he should never crash the boards, make sure you let Fran know, ok? Because he's obviously been coaching wrong for a very long time.
 
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If you are talking to me, I'll tell you I've followed basketball since 1974 and kind of know a little. More than just your blanket, "Never follow your shot". If you watch a game beyond just following who has the ball you will see motion in an offense. Motion that means your two guards aren't always going to be the two guys closest to the top of the key.

Your statement, "If you are a 3, 4 or 5?", makes no sense whatsoever. But I'm sure McCaffery will be glad to tell Fleming that if he takes a midrange shot he should never crash the boards, make sure you let Fran know, ok? Because he's obviously been coaching wrong for a very long time.
I think you should teach me more about basketball.
 
I think you should teach me more about basketball.

I doubt you'd listen. But to be honest I'd rather watch your team's guards shoulder the responsibility to defend against a fast break regardless of where they happen to be on the court.
 
On the "follow your shot" thing. If people watching a game want to see a real mistake? Keep your eye on the outside shooter after he releases the shot and see how often some of these guys stay in one spot as if frozen in time, or turn and complain about a defender hitting their wrist. Kentucky's youngsters are good for giving up a few fast break points a game doing this...lack of game smarts.

There are some teams in the Big Ten (cough, cough, Crean) pretty good at losing focus as well. Two years ago Iowa gave the Big Ten a lesson in getting back on defense when we released on the break on just about every rebound, just to see what developed. It got us to a top ten ranking before the second go around and teams were sending two guys back every time a shot was released and exposed our halfcourt offense as a "tad" one dimensional.
 
Agree Dan, the whole posing after a shot thing and/or complaining to the officials should be one of the first things to get a guy a seat on the bench.
Also agree with you on the whole break issue for the Hawks 2 years ago. Iowa caught some people off guard early in the year with that.
 
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You would think speed would be important for a point guard on the fast break, and it doesn't hurt, but I actually think it isn't as important for a fast break team as a half court team. Court awareness and passing skills are more important. I always thought Jeff Horner ran the fast break as well as anyone because he always kept his eyes up and he was a terrific cross court passer. B.J. Armstrong wasn't terribly fast, but he also had great vision and passing skills. I'm not saying Bohannon is the guy, I hope we wait until Spring to decide, but my concern isn't his skill on the fast break.
I would agree with this. Actually, from what I saw of Christian Williams, he is this type of PG - keeps his head up when bringing the ball up the floor and looks to pass it on the break. His court vision is one of the things that I thought stood out in the games of his I saw broadcast. His clips are more about his scoring but his game is so much more that that. I really hope that he develops at Iowa because he could be very special, both at the PG and SG positions.
 
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