Just terrible outcome

[GoHawks2009]

How any of you can even admire what Alabama has done, I'll never understand it.

They have ruined the sport.

And anyone who wants to say ANYTHING else at all to me in this thread (and you jackasses know you will) other than "I agree", go eff yourselves. Deal? Good talk.

Stop accepting Alabama ruling college football. Ruined the sport. Terrible.

 

[ffjoey44]

I agree

 

[brownd7949hawks]

Alabama out talents people, and that wins a lot of games sadly. Saban could never win a national championship without all the talent. If he was a great coach he wouldn’t of bombed in the nfl, and never really did much at MSU/LSU. But he’s recruited and built a monster.

 

[brownd7949hawks]

Alabama out talents people, and that wins a lot of games sadly. Saban could never win a national championship without all the talent. If he was a great coach he wouldn’t of bombed in the nfl, and never really did much at MSU/LSU. But he’s recruited and built a monster.

Oh oops. I agree too

 

[OutbackBowl2017]

If Iowa was in the position as Bama, would you have the same opinion? I think not.

Georgia had their chances.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

Alabama out talents people, and that wins a lot of games sadly. Saban could never win a national championship without all the talent. If he was a great coach he wouldn’t of bombed in the nfl, and never really did much at MSU/LSU. But he’s recruited and built a monster.

This. He doesn’t have much of a scheme & doesn’t have to. Just has more talent than everybody.

 

[bulletproof90]

Sad thing is, Iowa made this possible for Alabama with the OSU win.

 

[OutbackBowl2017]

Alabama out talents people, and that wins a lot of games sadly. Saban could never win a national championship without all the talent. If he was a great coach he wouldn’t of bombed in the nfl, and never really did much at MSU/LSU. But he’s recruited and built a monster.

Not much at LSU, just his first championship. I'm sure LSU is wondering how many they could of won if Nick stayed there instead of being enticed by Miami and NFL money.

 

[SconnieAlum]

Alabama out talents people, and that wins a lot of games sadly. Saban could never win a national championship without all the talent. If he was a great coach he wouldn’t of bombed in the nfl, and never really did much at MSU/LSU. But he’s recruited and built a monster.

Yeah he never did much at LSU.......

.......other than win a National Championship.

 

[JayTheOkay]

Stars don't matter.

 

[Hawks_Rock_12]

Do you want some Vaseline for those cheeks, or do you perfer the dry rub ?

 

[brownd7949hawks]

Yeah he never did much at LSU.......

.......other than win a National Championship.

Oops ya I forgot that one. Year before Iowa best him in outback. My bad

 

[TS568]

Alabama out talents people, and that wins a lot of games sadly. Saban could never win a national championship without all the talent. If he was a great coach he wouldn’t of bombed in the nfl, and never really did much at MSU/LSU. But he’s recruited and built a monster.

Wouldn’t HAVE, not wouldn’t OF bombed in the NFL (which he did). He also won a title at LSU though. He’s a wonderful coach and it’s exciting for those fans of theirs. He probably has a few years left and then they will gravitate back to the Florida/LSU/Georgia average.

 

[sb33miz]

Alabama out talents people, and that wins a lot of games sadly. Saban could never win a national championship without all the talent. If he was a great coach he wouldn’t of bombed in the nfl, and never really did much at MSU/LSU. But he’s recruited and built a monster.

Total compensation this year for Nicky was $11.25m. Don’t think he cares. That doesn’t even take into account the multiple Mercedes dealerships he owns and sponsorships.

 

[spbc7]

Alabama out talents people, and that wins a lot of games sadly. Saban could never win a national championship without all the talent. If he was a great coach he wouldn’t of bombed in the nfl, and never really did much at MSU/LSU. But he’s recruited and built a monster.

This is a terrible take

 

[blhawk]

Oops ya I forgot that one. Year before Iowa best him in outback. My bad

It was capital one bowl. High five on the accuracy this thread

 

[mvhomerj]

If Alabama winning really bothers you, that's pretty sad.

 

[Freyvet]

Alabama out talents people, and that wins a lot of games sadly. Saban could never win a national championship without all the talent. If he was a great coach he wouldn’t of bombed in the nfl, and never really did much at MSU/LSU. But he’s recruited and built a monster.

No one ever wins a National Title without a,ton of talent.

 

[KuwaitHawk]

Is that why he left MSU years ago?

 

[General Tso]

I don't like it and agree it's bad for thr sport. But I would love it if Iowa was in that position.

 

[OutbackBowl2017]

I don't like it and agree it's bad for thr sport. But I would love it if Iowa was in that position.

They were in wrestling with a guy named Gable and he and Iowa made the sport better, forced every other program that wanted to compete to step up. Now there are Iowa guys coaching all over the country making their NCAA programs better and the sport in general better and more competitive.

Same thing is happening with Saban and his disciples in football at other institutions by hiring his OC's and DC's. Some of you need to think before typing this is bad for the sport. It's not, making it better by forcing everyone to step up their game, kinda like Iowa Wrestling back in the day, and Urban coming to the B1G and telling all the other coaches they need to step up their recruiting.

 

[trippnschmidt]

They were in wrestling with a guy named Gable and he and Iowa made the sport better, forced every other program that wanted to compete to step up. Now there are Iowa guys coaching all over the country making their NCAA programs better and the sport in general better and more competitive.

Same thing is happening with Saban and his disciples in football at other institutions by hiring his OC's and DC's. Some of you need to think before typing this is bad for the sport. It's not, making it better by forcing everyone to step up their game, kinda like Iowa Wrestling back in the day, and Urban coming to the B1G and telling all the other coaches they need to step up their recruiting.

This. And people who worry about how much money he makes are even sadder.

 

[dekhawk]

Alabama was the king of oversigning for a decade. Supposedly sec has now stopped but that was a clear advantage and carries over.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...er-front-its-still-alabama-and-everyone-else/

 

[Rifler]

I think that It's more the "program", (and all that entails), than it it is the coach,... Saban wouldn't be this successful at Michigan State had he stayed there.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

They were in wrestling with a guy named Gable and he and Iowa made the sport better, forced every other program that wanted to compete to step up. Now there are Iowa guys coaching all over the country making their NCAA programs better and the sport in general better and more competitive.

Same thing is happening with Saban and his disciples in football at other institutions by hiring his OC's and DC's. Some of you need to think before typing this is bad for the sport. It's not, making it better by forcing everyone to step up their game, kinda like Iowa Wrestling back in the day, and Urban coming to the B1G and telling all the other coaches they need to step up their recruiting.

And then steal said recruits that he told coaches they needed to recruit to compete with Ohio State.

I'd rather teams like Ohio State and Alabama just go away on their own like they've done in the past.

 

[Arbor1]

How any of you can even admire what Alabama has done, I'll never understand it.

They have ruined the sport.

And anyone who wants to say ANYTHING else at all to me in this thread (and you jackasses know you will) other than "I agree", go eff yourselves. Deal? Good talk.

Stop accepting Alabama ruling college football. Ruined the sport. Terrible.

I cant believe we destroyed the bowl system for THIS....

 

[hawkguy77]

I didn't watch and still don't know the final score. Saban can put his latest trophy........ well, you know.

 

[Georgia_Hawk]

I think that It's more the "program", (and all that entails), than it it is the coach,... Saban wouldn't be this successful at Michigan State had he stayed there.

But that "program" was mediocre before Saban showed up, with a 55% winning percentage (and nothing close to a national championship) in the 10 years prior to him showing up. LSU was also on a downward spiral for Saban turned that program around.

 

[meatloaf55]

It was an entertaining game but I wish Georgia had won. Bama has a heck of a dynasty, but it doesn't make me enjoy Iowa's season any less.

 

[Georgia_Hawk]

This. He doesn’t have much of a scheme & doesn’t have to. Just has more talent than everybody.

Obviously they have the most talent. I would tend to disagree a little bit about not having much of a scheme, particularly when Kiffin was there. But, due to Saban's fanatical work ethic, and what he demands of his coaches and players, the team is always well-prepared and they usually don't give games away. The last play of the game was a good example of this; a freshman QB who hadn't seen much action all year knew exactly how to "look off" the safety to help is guy get open.

 

[anon_2zMXH429BhxV1Npk]

I cant believe we destroyed the bowl system for THIS....

What bowl system was destroyed? Or do you mean the one where the same amount of bowls were played and people just voted on who was champion?

There should be a larger playoff absolutely. But what we have now is infinitely better than any bowl system.

 

[cidhawkeye]

25+27+24+25+26=85 or 127

21+19+21+24+22=85 or 107

A lot of factors but roughly an extra class of 4-5* players, 'transfers' 'medical red shirts' all within the rules.

 

[TS568]

What bowl system was destroyed? Or do you mean the one where the same amount of bowls were played and people just voted on who was champion?

There should be a larger playoff absolutely. But what we have now is infinitely better than any bowl system.

People still vote, only on the final 4 and not 2. The old days (pre-Bowl Alliance and then BCS) was a vote.

 

[HemiHawk]

How any of you can even admire what Alabama has done, I'll never understand it.

They have ruined the sport.

And anyone who wants to say ANYTHING else at all to me in this thread (and you jackasses know you will) other than "I agree", go eff yourselves. Deal? Good talk.

Stop accepting Alabama ruling college football. Ruined the sport. Terrible.

What if Iowa had just done the same thing? Would you renounce your Hawkeye fandom and start watching ladies figure skating?

 

[brownd7949hawks]

It was capital one bowl. High five on the accuracy this thread

Haha. That’s what I get for posting half asleep. I stand corrected again lol

 

[scotthawk1964]

Maybe it's time to drop the scholarships from 85 to 75, that way Bama and the rest of the blue bloods can't have all the 4 and 5 stars recruits. Unless of course they choose to walk on at Bama or other blue bloods.

 

[anon_2zMXH429BhxV1Npk]

People still vote, only on the final 4 and not 2. The old days (pre-Bowl Alliance and then BCS) was a vote.

Right, but how is voting for the one national champion (after they may not have even played) or voting for the two teams to play in a championship better than voting on the 4 teams to play in a playoff?

The current playoff is not the best, but I can't believe there is an argument that the bowl system was in any way superior...

 

[Bulldog64]

I think that It's more the "program", (and all that entails), than it it is the coach,... Saban wouldn't be this successful at Michigan State had he stayed there.

That is true he wouldn't be as successful at MSU even though he is a great coach. While all programs bend the rules of the NCAA, Alabama has the most systemic "recruiting" process. Their Co-Offensive Coordinator is the biggest Bagman in the NCAA. He is not a good coach but will make the drop-off. Locksley had 3-31 head coaching career and Zook's man at Florida and Illinois where they had great recruiting but couldn't win. There are other coaches that Saban has had on staff that are morally flexible as well. (Kiffin...cough... Sarkasian.. Cough)

 

[SoDakHawk]

They were in wrestling with a guy named Gable and he and Iowa made the sport better, forced every other program that wanted to compete to step up. Now there are Iowa guys coaching all over the country making their NCAA programs better and the sport in general better and more competitive.

Same thing is happening with Saban and his disciples in football at other institutions by hiring his OC's and DC's. Some of you need to think before typing this is bad for the sport. It's not, making it better by forcing everyone to step up their game, kinda like Iowa Wrestling back in the day, and Urban coming to the B1G and telling all the other coaches they need to step up their recruiting.

What's bad for the sport is the way Alabama gets backed into these prime positions to be successful. Based on the regular season and CCG results there is no way they should have had a crack at this title. They get opportunities that other schools are not afforded. Wisconsin only had one loss, why didn't they get the opportunity to be in the CFP? They took the added risk of playing the CCG and lost, Alabama sat at home and benefited from that.

Alabama is not raising the bar, but they do operate at an unfair playing level. That playing level says they get one mulligan a year and everyone else has to be perfect. It's an unfair advantage.

The way CFB is today it could have been any team in the Top 10 that could have went on a 2 game run to win the CFP. Heck, even a Notre Dame or USC has the talent on the roster that if you continually put them in the position where they only have to win one or two games they could gut that out and do it.

 

[DodgerHawki]

But that "program" was mediocre before Saban showed up, with a 55% winning percentage (and nothing close to a national championship) in the 10 years prior to him showing up. LSU was also on a downward spiral for Saban turned that program around.

That 10-year period was the "low" point of the last 75 years of Alabama football with a 55% winning percentage, 3 different 10-win seasons, 1 conference championship and 2 division titles. Yes, historically bad for Alabama but good relative to most of the football universe. Saban obviously is a great coach, but there's a reason he went from Michigan State to LSU and then Alabama (after the NFL hiatus). He wants to be at a place that maximizes his ability to get the absolute best talent he can. He may have ended up winning a title at Michigan State had he stayed long term, but highly unlikely they win 6 in 10 years like Alabama has done.