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Just terrible outcome

They were in wrestling with a guy named Gable and he and Iowa made the sport better, forced every other program that wanted to compete to step up. Now there are Iowa guys coaching all over the country making their NCAA programs better and the sport in general better and more competitive.

Same thing is happening with Saban and his disciples in football at other institutions by hiring his OC's and DC's. Some of you need to think before typing this is bad for the sport. It's not, making it better by forcing everyone to step up their game, kinda like Iowa Wrestling back in the day, and Urban coming to the B1G and telling all the other coaches they need to step up their recruiting.
The what is the same, but the how isn't.
 
How any of you can even admire what Alabama has done, I'll never understand it.

They have ruined the sport.

And anyone who wants to say ANYTHING else at all to me in this thread (and you jackasses know you will) other than "I agree", go eff yourselves. Deal? Good talk.

Stop accepting Alabama ruling college football. Ruined the sport. Terrible.
Old timer here, remember when the same thing was said about Iowa Wrestling under Gable.
 
Right, but how is voting for the one national champion (after they may not have even played) or voting for the two teams to play in a championship better than voting on the 4 teams to play in a playoff?

The current playoff is not the best, but I can't believe there is an argument that the bowl system was in any way superior...
National title game would've been Clemson-Georgia.

I would've taken that instantly over what we got yesterday.
 
If Iowa was in the position as Bama, would you have the same opinion? I think not.

Georgia had their chances.
Iowa was in this position a couple of decades ago, in wrestling, and we heard the same cries. Break them up, make them operate with different rules, its ruining the sport. This to shall pass......
 
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Don't need to be put into special classes or with different rules. Just operate under the same as everyone else
I was just stating some of the crap thrown around back then. There were literally people who wanted Iowa to have recruiting sanctions, and other hurdles to jump in order to bring them back to the pack, when Gable was running roughshod over NCAA wrestling. What was funny though was that Iowa wasn't kicking ass because they got all the best high school wrestlers. It was all about Gable and the culture he developed there. It was so ingrained in his athletes, that would not, could not lose.
 
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I didn't want Bama, so that sucked. But if Iowa were the powerhouse Bama was I wouldn't be crying about it whatsoever.

I like how in wrestling Iowa is one of "those" teams that people are envious of an root against because they are year in and year out very good.
 
It's not a terrible outcome for the 'bama kicker, he would've never made it out of the building alive without massive Atlanta PD escort had they ended up losing in OT.

*I agree with the OP
 
How any of you can even admire what Alabama has done, I'll never understand it.

They have ruined the sport.

And anyone who wants to say ANYTHING else at all to me in this thread (and you jackasses know you will) other than "I agree", go eff yourselves. Deal? Good talk.

Stop accepting Alabama ruling college football. Ruined the sport. Terrible.

It's the complete abandonment of integrity I don't get when it comes to "admiring" them. One of their players punched an opponent and went after one of the coaches. What's next?

Before you know it, a play like Nick Bosa's headbutt won't even be a personal foul, never mind worthy of an ejection.
 
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Amen, if there is a loophole Satan will find it. The treatment of 'non productive' players wouldn't go over well in Iowa.
This is one area I struggle with. Why are athletic scholarships the only scholarships that are awarded based on your high school efforts and when you go to college and are below average, you still retain it? If over signing is common knowledge here on this board, obviously it is common knowledge in the recruiting circles. So if a kid commits to Alabama, knowing that if they are a drag on the team and a couple of years that they will have a frank conversation with Saban and their staff about other options, don’t they assume some risk by signing the dotted line? If they’re not willing to take the risk, then sign with Iowa or several other schools where they will be allowed to carry the scholarship throughout graduation no matter if the contribute or not.

Is over signing illegal by the NCAA standards or is it just frowned upon? Thanks.
 
This is one area I struggle with. Why are athletic scholarships the only scholarships that are awarded based on your high school efforts and when you go to college and are below average, you still retain it? If over signing is common knowledge here on this board, obviously it is common knowledge in the recruiting circles. So if a kid commits to Alabama, knowing that if they are a drag on the team and a couple of years that they will have a frank conversation with Saban and their staff about other options, don’t they assume some risk by signing the dotted line? If they’re not willing to take the risk, then sign with Iowa or several other schools where they will be allowed to carry the scholarship throughout graduation no matter if the contribute or not.

Is over signing illegal by the NCAA standards or is it just frowned upon? Thanks.

I would be surprised if there are a bunch of 4-5* players that think they would ever be a drain on the program. You can give an 18 year old a mountain of evidence but they will think that's 'the other guys' that it will happen to.
 
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How any of you can even admire what Alabama has done, I'll never understand it.

They have ruined the sport.

And anyone who wants to say ANYTHING else at all to me in this thread (and you jackasses know you will) other than "I agree", go eff yourselves. Deal? Good talk.

Stop accepting Alabama ruling college football. Ruined the sport. Terrible.
this is why schools should be allowed $2M(give or take) a year to pay players.
the players finally get some of the cash and it makes things WAY more interesting!
how many of those 4/5* are you gonna get when you're out of money and others are offering them $100k+ a year?
 
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Wouldn’t HAVE, not wouldn’t OF bombed in the NFL (which he did). He also won a title at LSU though. He’s a wonderful coach and it’s exciting for those fans of theirs. He probably has a few years left and then they will gravitate back to the Florida/LSU/Georgia average.
oh no the grammer poleece be hear!
 
Same thing is happening with Saban and his disciples in football at other institutions by hiring his OC's and DC's. Some of you need to think before typing this is bad for the sport. It's not, making it better by forcing everyone to step up their game, kinda like Iowa Wrestling back in the day, and Urban coming to the B1G and telling all the other coaches they need to step up their recruiting.
professional sports seem to disagree with you :)
 
What bowl system was destroyed? Or do you mean the one where the same amount of bowls were played and people just voted on who was champion?

There should be a larger playoff absolutely. But what we have now is infinitely better than any bowl system.
they sure as hell ruined the rose bowl, well at least imo!
 
I laughed when he said how happy he was for the Bama fans. WTF? Like they’ve been long suffering, or something! Now that would have made sense had UGA coach got to say it
 
National title game would've been Clemson-Georgia.

I would've taken that instantly over what we got yesterday.

In what world would #1 team play the #3 ranked team? How much more nonsense can you spew?

At the end of the regular season, Clemson was #1 in every poll (CFP, AP, Coaches) and Oklahoma was #2.

So it would have been Clemson vs Oklahoma in your ideal scheme, which is ironically (and obviously) enough the two teams who lost to lower seeds. So basically calling the SEC overrated is factually incorrect. The SEC clearly proved it was underrated.

The sooner you accept Alabama was the best team in the country and move on, the better your life will be.

Now reply with your “you’re welcome” and “Iowa>Alabama” because you know you’ve been beat once again and have no factual evidence to back up your garbage. Proving you wrong is beginning to become a theme. Almost like an Alabama dynasty over here.
 
In what world would #1 team play the #3 ranked team? How much more nonsense can you spew?

At the end of the regular season, Clemson was #1 in every poll (CFP, AP, Coaches) and Oklahoma was #2.

So it would have been Clemson vs Oklahoma in your ideal scheme, which is ironically (and obviously) enough the two teams who lost to lower seeds. So basically calling the SEC overrated is factually incorrect. The SEC clearly proved it was underrated.

The sooner you accept Alabama was the best team in the country and move on, the better your life will be.

Now reply with your “you’re welcome” and “Iowa>Alabama” because you know you’ve been beat once again and have no factual evidence to back up your garbage. Proving you wrong is beginning to become a theme. Almost like an Alabama dynasty over here.

I have to ask...do you think the better team always wins in every game?
 
this is why schools should be allowed $2M(give or take) a year to pay players.
the players finally get some of the cash and it makes things WAY more interesting!
how many of those 4/5* are you gonna get when you're out of money and others are offering them $100k+ a year?

Potentially only a few less because they will still get paid by outside parties. Let's be real, if a kid is going to a school because he's getting paid, it's not because he's being paid by the school. Paying kids would have minimal effect.

A kid isn't going to Iowa because they are paying him when he would still get paid by boosters at Alabama.
 
Maybe it's time to drop the scholarships from 85 to 75, that way Bama and the rest of the blue bloods can't have all the 4 and 5 stars recruits. Unless of course they choose to walk on at Bama or other blue bloods.

I thought dropping all athletic scholarships might be a good idea .Student / athletes playing , not being an NFL mini league.
 
In what world would #1 team play the #3 ranked team? (The one you live in.....because it's happened.) How much more nonsense can you spew? (How much time do you got? To live I mean?)

At the end of the regular season, Clemson was #1 in every poll (CFP, AP, Coaches) and Oklahoma was #2. (Teams that lose to Iowa State don't deserve to play for national titles. That is a fact and it played out in the CFP. Point proven.)

So it would have been Clemson vs Oklahoma in your ideal scheme (Nope. See above), which is ironically (and obviously) enough the two teams who lost to lower seeds. (Had I known people were going to be such assholes about this whole thing, I would've had Oklahoma win, so at least it wouldn't have been an all SEC final.......) So basically calling the SEC overrated is factually incorrect. (Oh no it was still overrated. The bowl games don't prove sh**.) The SEC clearly proved it was underrated. (Because its top two teams won? Mississippi State beat Lamar Jackson and South Carolina proved to the public what we already knew, that Jim Harbaugh was overrated, after their choke job loss to prevent a perfect Big Ten bowl record.
Those are the only other SEC postseason wins......On this f***ing planet, the SEC was nowhere near underrated. It had more competitive teams at the top this year as opposed to its usual one-team league status. But in the end its still Alabama and everyone else in that conference and again they didn't even need to win their division, let alone their conference to prove they were still the best team in that conference. Do you see how f***ing stupid that is?
It might be overplayed, but again, use the comparison to Iowa. If Iowa didn't win the Big Ten West and didn't play for the CCG and still got into the CFP anyway because hypothetical reasons, how much of a sh** storm do you think that would cause? No team deserves the benefit of the doubt. None. F*** your benefit of the doubt.)
The sooner you accept Alabama was the best team in the country and move on, the better your life will be. (My life is fine regardless of what Alabama does. I may not care about college football anymore unless it involves Iowa winning a national championship, but otherwise my life is unaffected. Now can I still rant about how f***ing stupid it is that they allowed Alabama to win the national title, yes I can. The sooner YOU accept that Alabama didn't deserve its title shot the sooner you can get back to hating Alabama......)

Now reply with your “you’re welcome” and “Iowa>Alabama” (Lol saltiness....) because you know you’ve been beat once again (What are you trying to beat me at?....Proving that Alabama is the best team in the country? Lol more on that in a second.) and have no factual evidence to back up your garbage. (More saltiness lol.) Proving you wrong is beginning to become a theme. (It seems you've already said that enough times that you actually believe it.....) Almost like an Alabama dynasty over here. (Oh you mean that team you hate?Lol yeah good job showing everyone how bitter you are about Alabama's success.)
You don't realize that I've already won whatever this game is that you think we're playing and for one simple reason.....

I'm doing one of two things here:
-Either I'm getting you to do something you hate, and quite often btw, by attempting to defend the legitimacy of Alabama's national title run this year on a f***ing Iowa message board amongst Iowa fans.
- Or you're lying, and by arguing with me you've shown everyone what a closet Bama fan you are.

Either way, I win on that alone.

You digging deep into the stats and the "facts" and the "I'll show you" attitude to try and prove to me, specifically that Alabama was the best team in college football.........that all lends back to me getting you to do something you ordinarily wouldn't do, if you weren't lying, which is defend a team that you hate "as much as the next person", I think you said at some point.

I already know that Alabama didn't even deserve the opportunity to play in the CFP, and that everything that happened after was merely an effect of that mistake. Those are the facts. I'm sure if you let a serial killer out of jail and gave him a gun and told him, "Don't break the law", nothing bad would happen, either.........

You can face the fact that you lost this "battle" before it ever even got started.

Thank you. ;)
 
Right, but how is voting for the one national champion (after they may not have even played) or voting for the two teams to play in a championship better than voting on the 4 teams to play in a playoff?

The current playoff is not the best, but I can't believe there is an argument that the bowl system was in any way superior...

National title game would've been Clemson-Georgia..... try Oklahoma. They were ranked #2. Remember Georgia also lost to Auburn aka the team that eliminated Alabama for you.

I would've taken that instantly over what we got yesterday.

Clearly Evil Monkey has no clue.
 
Saban is an excellent coach but what has made him even better is he realized he had to go where he could recruit the kind of talent needed. He could have stayed at MSU and been very successful like KF. He runs the same offense as we do but with the athletes that can win National Championships. I know everyone loves the playoffs but they only make the strong stronger. Kids from all over the country watch the same schools in the playoff and want to go to these few and be seen. Don't think in any way he could have won even one at MSU.
 
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Potentially only a few less because they will still get paid by outside parties. Let's be real, if a kid is going to a school because he's getting paid, it's not because he's being paid by the school. Paying kids would have minimal effect.

A kid isn't going to Iowa because they are paying him when he would still get paid by boosters at Alabama.
That's why you ban any player caught doing so from playing college football.
You also penalize any school for many years.

Of course cheating will continue when all they get is a slap on the wrist....
 
Always? Every?

Obviously not. I don’t think Auburn is better than Alabama or Georgia.


The better teams won this year’s playoff.

Sweet. Clearly you have the Devine ability to determine which team is best. I vote you pick the national champ. Meanwhile we'll go back to the bowl system from the 80's.
 
Sweet. Clearly you have the Devine ability to determine which team is best. I vote you pick the national champ. Meanwhile we'll go back to the bowl system from the 80's.

Thanks. I was just going off Sagarin this year.
 
Reading can be tough. Eliminated Alabama FOR YOU.

Salty about being right? Hardly.
Oh so Auburn eliminated Alabama for me? How thoughtful of them. :D Does that mean I don't have to count what happened on Monday then?

Oh and you're not right, but you are salty that I've gotten you to defend Alabama to the point where you wanna make up this idea that there is an argument to be won.

Again, you lost long before you got going.

You'e also mad about people not agreeing with your defense of Alabama. Because if you weren't, then why would you even bother to continue coming back at people? To be confrontational for the sake of it ("trying to prove people wrong")?

That's what I thought. Sit the f*** down, Bama fan. :)

Thank you.
 
Oh so Auburn eliminated Alabama for me? How thoughtful of them. :D Does that mean I don't have to count what happened on Monday then?

Oh and you're not right, but you are salty that I've gotten you to defend Alabama to the point where you wanna make up this idea that there is an argument to be won.

Again, you lost long before you got going.

You'e also mad about people not agreeing with your defense of Alabama. Because if you weren't, then why would you even bother to continue coming back at people? To be confrontational for the sake of it ("trying to prove people wrong")?

That's what I thought. Sit the f*** down, Bama fan. :)

Thank you.


I’m perfectly calm. Calmer than you are. The committee got it right. I agreed with them. Alabama proved it on the field. Why would I be angry over your stupidity?

I’m confrontational, but you’re not? Hmmm. Don’t see how that works especially since I’m posting facts and you’re responding with complete nonsense to try and get a rise out of people.

Carry on now.
 
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