Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse - California reparations committee calls for ending cash bail, no longer prosecuting low-level crimes.

[Pete Malloy]

California's reparations task force is pushing for the state to end cash bail and the prosecution of low-level crimes as part of its campaign to pressure the Golden State to make amends for slavery and anti-Black racism.

The task force, which was created by state legislation signed by Gov. Gavin Newsom in 2020, formally approved last weekend its final recommendations to the California Legislature, which will then decide whether to enact the measures and send them to the governor's desk to be signed into law.

The recommendations included several proposals related to criminal justice, including the elimination of cash bail.

"The cash bail system is at the core of many of the class and race-based inequities in the criminal legal system," the task force wrote in its proposal. "The task force accordingly recommends that the legislature take all steps necessary to definitively end cash bail."

Many Republicans and other critics counter that bail helps keep people from committing crimes and that eliminating it will only incentivize more criminal behavior. A recent study found that criminal offenders let out with low bail or at no cost under zero bail policies re-offended more often than those who posted bail.

Still, the Newsom-backed panel says racial disparities persist in pretrial detention outcomes, arguing the setting of bail hurts Black defendants more than White defendants.

As a result, the committee wrote that California should codify "a presumption of pretrial release in all criminal cases," increase funding for "non-law enforcement pretrial services agencies to improve pretrial release support programs," and implement a "statewide zero bail schedule." Additionally, the task force calls for the legislature to create a framework for compensating people held before trials who were later acquitted or exonerated.

In recent years, lawmakers in California have voted to limit gang-related sentence enhancements, allow loitering related to prostitution and automatically seal conviction and arrest records for most offenders not convicted of another felony within a four-year period. A bill under consideration would prevent police from using K-9s for arrests or crowd control.

California reparations committee calls for ending cash bail, no longer prosecuting low-level crimes

 

[Chuck C]

 

[Joes Place]

Communities that have done this have found it produces far more benefit, than risk.

 

[Pete Malloy]

Communities that have done this have found it produces far more benefit, than risk.

Care to provde details?

 

[Joes Place]

Care to provde details?

You're not capable of a simple web search?

 

[Joes Place]

Apparently, @binsfeldcyhawk2 isn't, either

Why are More States Than Ever Passing Laws for No Cash Bail and Pretrial Detention?

The source in the article focused on extreme, isolated incidences where an individual while awaiting further court action, had been released from jail and went on to get into additional trouble on pretrial.

stoprecidivism.org

How have other states implemented the near elimination of cash bail?

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. – While the future of ending cash bail in Illinois remains in the hands of the courts, some states across the county have already started the process. New Jersey and New Yor…

www.wcia.com

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Apparently, @binsfeldcyhawk2 isn't, either

Why are More States Than Ever Passing Laws for No Cash Bail and Pretrial Detention?

The source in the article focused on extreme, isolated incidences where an individual while awaiting further court action, had been released from jail and went on to get into additional trouble on pretrial.

stoprecidivism.org

How have other states implemented the near elimination of cash bail?

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. – While the future of ending cash bail in Illinois remains in the hands of the courts, some states across the county have already started the process. New Jersey and New Yor…

www.wcia.com

There’s zero data cited in that opinion piece.

 

[Joes Place]

There’s zero data cited in that opinion piece.

LOLWUT?

There are quotes from officials who oversaw the cashless bail transition

Can you not read?

• Same rates of court attendance (better, in fact)
• Cleared out overcrowded jails

Go actually read the links; run your own Google search to find more.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

LOLWUT?

There are quotes from officials who oversaw the cashless bail transition

Can you not read?

• Same rates of court attendance (better, in fact)
• Cleared out overcrowded jails

Go actually read the links; run your own Google search to find more.

Now you’re just making shit up. Here are the articles “sources”. Neither “oversaw” implementation of cashless bail. Maybe read your own article.

Yannick Wood, the director of the Criminal Justice Reform Program at the New Jersey Institute for Social Justice

Alexander Shalom, the director of Supreme Court advocacy at the ACLU of New Jersey,

 

[The Tradition]

Clearly letting criminals out of jail will help reduce the number of people who are in jail.

Why don't you Neanderthal conservatives get this?

 

[IowaPackFan]

I’m curious what this “reparations committee” looks like. Are they compensated? If so, how much?

 

[Chuck C]

I’m curious what this “reparations committee” looks like. Are they compensated? If so, how much?

Is the committee composition equitable?

 

[FAUlty Gator]

LOLWUT?

There are quotes from officials who oversaw the cashless bail transition

Can you not read?

• Same rates of court attendance (better, in fact)
• Cleared out overcrowded jails

Go actually read the links; run your own Google search to find more.

Fair or dangerous? Days after ending cash bail, New York has second thoughts

"Bail reform is well meaning, but there are unintended consequences," a prosecutor said.

www.nbcnews.com

On Jan. 1, a landmark New York law curtailing the use of cash bail went into effect, signaling a leap in a nationwide movement to reduce the number of people held in jails.

But after less than a week under the new system, elected officials are already having second thoughts, rattled by stories of suspects' being set free and committing new crimes ─ including that of a woman accused of an anti-Semitic attack in New York City.

Across the state, opponents of the new law have publicized cases of suspects set free ─ a serial bank robber, a repeat burglar, a man accused of manslaughter, an alleged hit-and-run drunk driver ─ which they say demonstrate how doing away with bail allows dangerous criminals to remain on the streets. Perhaps the most notorious case is that of Tiffany Harris, a Brooklyn woman who was released after she was alleged to have hit three Jewish women in a bias attack, only to be arrested the next day and accused of an assault on another woman.

The earlier assault came amid a string of anti-Semitic incidents in the New York region, including a knife attack at a Hanukkah celebration and a mass shooting at a kosher grocery store. The incidents focused pressure on elected leaders to do more to fight hate crimes.

Since then, Cuomo, New York Mayor Bill de Blasio and the leader of the state Senate ─ all Democrats who pushed for the new law ─ have said it needs to be changed. Cuomo's office said he supports adding hate crimes to a list of charges for which judges would be permitted to order a suspect held on bail.

 

[Joes Place]

Now you’re just making shit up.

No; the reporting is that jails were less crowded, and people showed up for court dates at the SAME or BETTER rates.

Do you have data that contradicts this?

 

[Joes Place]

─ which they say demonstrate how doing away with bail allows dangerous criminals to remain on the streets.

Those examples are NOT eligible for no cash bail.

 

[Joes Place]

There’s zero data cited in that opinion piece.

The Facts on Bail Reform and Crime Rates in New York State

There is no clear connection between recent crime increases and the bail reform law enacted in 2019.

www.brennancenter.org

The reason you aren't posting any data here, is that there isn't any which supports your position.

 

[Titanhawk2]

LOLWUT?

There are quotes from officials who oversaw the cashless bail transition

Can you not read?

• Same rates of court attendance (better, in fact)
• Cleared out overcrowded jails

Go actually read the links; run your own Google search to find more.

Yes, quotes from the ACLU are not data. But you fail to mention...


1 - doesn't seem to be solving the real problem “The re-arrest numbers, from before bail reform to after are basically the same,”

2 - other things are being done than just getting rid of cash bail - “Different counties also had working groups to make sure that things would work individually in their counties,”, "the state spent two years preparing for the law to go into effect through the Pretrial Implementation Working Group"

But again, not much data to go on, no matter how many times you read it

 

[Joes Place]

Yes, quotes from the ACLU are not data.

Yet, here you are, posting NO DATA

I've provided you another link.

 

[Joes Place]

2 - other things are being done than just getting rid of cash bail

Kewl

Now, since the cash bail argument fails, you have to run to something else....

 

[FAUlty Gator]

Those examples are NOT eligible for no cash bail.

Sure it is. Just because they weren't arrested for being violent that specific time doesn't mean they aren't dangerous. In fact, EVERY story dealing with this, ends with a person let out for free going on to murder or assault someone. That means they're dangerous. As Jim Carrey said in whatever, "Quit breaking the law, ass hole."

 

[Joes Place]

Sure it is.

No; it's not. Your source lumps in violent crimes ineligible with the random stuff.

 

[Joes Place]

EVERY story dealing with this, ends with a person let out for free going on to murder or assault someone

And perhaps that's because it is what your "stories" are intended to convey: OUTLIERS.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

And perhaps that's because it is what your "stories" are intended to convey: OUTLIERS.

Great. Quit breaking the fvcking law. You'll never have to pay bail again.

 

[cohawk]

Communities that have done this have found it produces far more benefit, than risk.

You can't explain that to the crowd that think the only way to solve things is with a gun or with retribution.

 

[Joes Place]

Great. Quit breaking the fvcking law. You'll never have to pay bail again.

Holy Exaggerations, Batman!!!!

 

[Rudedolph]

Those examples are NOT eligible for no cash bail.

People are fùcking ignorant morons on this issue, Joe.

 

[Joes Place]

People are fùcking ignorant morons on this issue, Joe.

They are too indoctrinated by Tucker Carlson et al to review anything outside that sphere for themselves, and apply any critical thinking, whatsoever.

 

[onlyTheObvious]

I read an article that said if they did it the cost would be 4x the entire current california state budget (something like that)

 

[Joes Place]

I read an article that said if they did it the cost would be 4x the entire current california state budget (something like that)

Sure, Jan.

 

[Flie]

You're not capable of a simple web search?

Of course he is.

 

[BioHawk]

No cash bail is simply trying to put poor people on even footing as rich people. Rich people never spend time in jail before their trial and are free to form a defense for themselves at trial. Poor people are stuck in jail and have to rely on the public defender to do all the legwork.

No, cashless bail does not mean that dangerous predators are released back into the public space as a judge can decide if someone poses a threat and needs to be kept contained. That part always seems to get left out of the discussions for this.

Rich people will still have massive advantages in the number and quality of lawyers they can bring to their defense, but this is one way that poor people can be helped for some more equity and helping to reduce the differences between the way poor people are treated versus rich people in the courts. It won't fix it, but it can help.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

No cash bail is simply trying to put poor people on even footing as rich people. Rich people never spend time in jail before their trial and are free to form a defense for themselves at trial. Poor people are stuck in jail and have to rely on the public defender to do all the legwork.

No, cashless bail does not mean that dangerous predators are released back into the public space as a judge can decide if someone poses a threat and needs to be kept contained. That part always seems to get left out of the discussions for this.

Rich people will still have massive advantages in the number and quality of lawyers they can bring to their defense, but this is one way that poor people can be helped for some more equity and helping to reduce the differences between the way poor people are treated versus rich people in the courts. It won't fix it, but it can help.

How many of the rich people get out and get re-arrested 15 times? What's wrong with saying "First one is free! After that, tough shit."?

 

[Rudedolph]

Faulty you’re actually bright enough and generally curious enough to read about the history of cash bail and its implications and “unintended” consequences, and how getting rid of it has shown good results.

This is actually something that, if people would actually take the time to do some real reading, Ds and Rs, left and right could agree — in broad terms — and then hammer out details thereafter.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

Faulty you’re actually bright enough and generally curious enough to read about the history of cash bail and its implications and “unintended” consequences, and how getting rid of it has shown good results.

This is actually something that, if people would actually take the time to do some real reading, Ds and Rs, left and right could agree — in broad terms — and then hammer out details thereafter.

I'll ask the same thing to you.

What's wrong with saying "First one is free! After that, tough shit."?

 

[Rudedolph]

They are too indoctrinated by Tucker Carlson et al to review anything outside that sphere for themselves, and apply any critical thinking, whatsoever.

Cash bail is an issue so absurdly misunderstood by people.

 

[Rudedolph]

I'll ask the same thing to you.

What's wrong with saying "First one is free! After that, tough shit."?

Nothing for someone like you, prone to dumb arguments reducing very complicated issues with lots of historical context to a simple, ignorant argument, but it’s a stance that serves as your copout to actually learning about this issue with some basic, unemotional objectivity.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

Nothing for someone like you, prone to dumb arguments reducing very complicated issues with lots of historical context to a simple, ignorant argument, but it’s a stance that serves as your copout to actually learning about this issue with some basic, unemotional objectivity.

So, you and Joes want to argue that recidivism isn't an issue, but don't think it should be prevented or treated as such. I like my side of the argument.

 

[Rudedolph]

So, you and Joes want to argue that recidivism isn't an issue, but don't think it should be prevented or treated as such. I like my side of the argument.

Lol. Everything you’re “arguing” is from ignorance. Faulty, go do some reading. Fuçk, man, you’re not stupid.

 

[Pete Malloy]

No cash bail is simply trying to put poor people on even footing as rich people. Rich people never spend time in jail before their trial and are free to form a defense for themselves at trial. Poor people are stuck in jail and have to rely on the public defender to do all the legwork.

No, cashless bail does not mean that dangerous predators are released back into the public space as a judge can decide if someone poses a threat and needs to be kept contained. That part always seems to get left out of the discussions for this.

Rich people will still have massive advantages in the number and quality of lawyers they can bring to their defense, but this is one way that poor people can be helped for some more equity and helping to reduce the differences between the way poor people are treated versus rich people in the courts. It won't fix it, but it can help.

You libs are hilarious in your belief in what constitutes "rich", plenty of poor white and poor black people are able to afford bail. Middle class non wealthy people are able to raise bail. Do you actually believe rich people go out and have crime sprees and thus support your claim that gangs of rich people are committing crimes and getting out of bail.

And yes it does mean that dangerous criminals are released to commit additional crimes.

As an example:
In June of this year, in an effort to provide some transparency on the $0 bail policies and associated data, and to better inform ongoing legislative discussions on the issue, the Yolo County District Attorney’s office conducted an analysis of $0 bail and rearrests. Recent criminal histories of the 595 individuals released on $0 bail in Yolo County were reviewed for any new arrests in the state of California. Of the 595 individuals released, 420 were rearrested (70.6%) and 123 (20% of the overall number or 29% of those rearrested) were arrested for a crime of violence. The crimes of violence included murder, attempted murder, kidnapping, robbery, carjacking, and domestic violence.

70% of Those Released on $0 Bail Commit New Crimes | Yolo County District Attorney

yoloda.org

 

[BioHawk]

You libs are hilarious in your belief in what constitutes "rich", plenty of poor white and poor black people are able to afford bail. Middle class non wealthy people are able to raise bail. Do you actually believe rich people go out and have crime sprees and thus support your claim that gangs of rich people are committing crimes and getting out of bail.

Are you capable of speaking in terms that aren't 100% or 0%? A lot of wild jumping to conclusions here that are wildly incorrect. But then again, wildly incorrect is where you seem to spend most of your time. Please tell me where anyone has even insinuated that rich people are going out on crime sprees when they aren't in jail because of bail. Of course you can't, because no one did. Of course, the real issue is the belief that poor people are doing exactly that.

And yes it does mean that dangerous criminals are released to commit additional crimes.

As an example:
In June of this year, in an effort to provide some transparency on the $0 bail policies and associated data, and to better inform ongoing legislative discussions on the issue, the Yolo County District Attorney’s office conducted an analysis of $0 bail and rearrests. Recent criminal histories of the 595 individuals released on $0 bail in Yolo County were reviewed for any new arrests in the state of California. Of the 595 individuals released, 420 were rearrested (70.6%) and 123 (20% of the overall number or 29% of those rearrested) were arrested for a crime of violence. The crimes of violence included murder, attempted murder, kidnapping, robbery, carjacking, and domestic violence.

70% of Those Released on $0 Bail Commit New Crimes | Yolo County District Attorney

yoloda.org

Wow, actual data. I don't have the time to look into this right now but your whole post would have been better served by leading with this. Instead you opened up with a bunch of opinionated BS so most people probably never even got to this part of your post.