KCRG just teased- Wrestling at Kinnick
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Do it at halftime. Do it in the center of the field on a raised platform that is wheeled on and off, like an Aerosmith halftime show. Wrestle 2 mats simultaneously to ensure you can wrestle a full dual within 30 minutes (or 3 if it has to be even shorter). Not the greatest format for die-hard wrestling fans, but a great spectacle and a record-breaking attendance that won't be broken again soon. (Penn State would look lame for trying it the following year--there can only be one first man on the moon.) The problem with doing it before the game or after the game, at one end of the field, etc., is that it will look like a sparsely populated sideshow rather than a big event. You'll have this giant, mostly empty stadium and a little tiny wrestling mat in one corner of an empty football field. And then Penn State COULD do it the following year at halftime and make it a bigger spectacle and break the record. If we're gonna do it, DO it. Sculpt with a sledgehammer.
Halftime? LoL. Will never happen. Haha.
We have a group of 15-20 going to the game. Should be a great day.
We have a group of 15-20 going to the game. Should be a great day.
Just checking...but Morningstar and Howe are NOT eligible for this event...right?
That match right there would blow the time schedule!! I am intrigued by this idea, but am having a difficult time envisioning the logistics of it. I hope it can be worked out though, it sounds like it could be a memorable time and assuming it goes off successfully, a good way for college wrestling to snag some publicity.
I'd do everything Tarp said but use one mat and hold it in the early afternoon. I think tailgaters would flock to it. Slash ticket prices so it's peanuts to get in. Promote the heck out of it. Challenge Iowa fans to pack Kinnick.
Fans get into these efforts to set attendance records. If it's promoted aggressively, well in advance, I think the turnout will be great, and it will break up a very long day of tailgating for the football fans.
If the fans perceive the meet in Kinnick as the place to be, they'll flock to it. That's where the promotion comes in. Put out a strong message challenging Iowa fans to blow away the attendance record and that's what they'll do.
Fans get into these efforts to set attendance records. If it's promoted aggressively, well in advance, I think the turnout will be great, and it will break up a very long day of tailgating for the football fans.
If the fans perceive the meet in Kinnick as the place to be, they'll flock to it. That's where the promotion comes in. Put out a strong message challenging Iowa fans to blow away the attendance record and that's what they'll do.
Imagine how drunk some people are going to be by kickoff.
Actually, pretty sure I will get 2 drunks in...
Actually, pretty sure I will get 2 drunks in...
Too bad it's not a 11am game and then have the dual right afterwards. Since the game is at 7, I think you would have to have the dual right before it, at the 50 yd line, as the football teams warm up on each side of the field. Then NBC could televise the dual right after the Notre Dame game.
I'm only concerned about how to keep it going until the end, probably going to need it against Minnesota.
There is no chance in hell that it could be at halftime or anywhere near kick off. It will be around 11 or 12 which will give tailgaters a chance to eat breakfast and have some bloody mary's before watching some wrestling. That would give them several hours of partying after the meet.
I also am amused at those that think Ok State or Minnesota would bring any fans. Minnesota fans don't travel. They only had about 1000 fans when they HOSTED national duals. Their fan base is a joke. The track team from Stillwater put about 500 people in the stands to watch Iowa steamroll them last year but people think they will flood to ames and Kinnick lol. Come on. This is all on the marketing department and Hawkeye fans to come together and pull it off.
I also am amused at those that think Ok State or Minnesota would bring any fans. Minnesota fans don't travel. They only had about 1000 fans when they HOSTED national duals. Their fan base is a joke. The track team from Stillwater put about 500 people in the stands to watch Iowa steamroll them last year but people think they will flood to ames and Kinnick lol. Come on. This is all on the marketing department and Hawkeye fans to come together and pull it off.
I just checked the Vegas line and the over / under attendance line is 40, 500 for the dual. Where are you putting your $?
(BTW- thanks for the s/o AZ and WWWWDM)
(BTW- thanks for the s/o AZ and WWWWDM)
An earlier poster stated Minnesota would travel well and another said OK State would bring a lot of fans to Ames and could make the trek to Iowa City. Neither is going to happen. Even tognetti knows that a big name would draw more fans so that is a no brainer.
You could have the dual in the "heat of the day" at 1:00 or 1:30, be done by 3:30 and have the staging stricken by 4:30. Still plenty of time for football's game day schedule. Players don't usually appear on the field until 2 hours out at most -- and then it's usually just in warmup gear. Uniformed warmups won't start before the 90-minute clock starts.
1pm? Very few fans will do both, if that is the case. OkSU fans aren't going to drive 9 hrs to IC, watch a meet, then drive two hours to Ames.
I'd stage it at 530 at midfield. No intermission. Fball teams can warm up during meet. Football tix get you into both events. BTN televises both. BTN talking heads have desk in southeast corner like the Gameday guys did in 2006.
I'd stage it at 530 at midfield. No intermission. Fball teams can warm up during meet. Football tix get you into both events. BTN televises both. BTN talking heads have desk in southeast corner like the Gameday guys did in 2006.
I don't know which is funnier. You thinking more than a handful of Ok State fans would show up regardless of time or you thinking doing it at 5:30 should be considered.
Done. We should be sick of watching Ferentz chew gum and writing his grocery list by than.
You missed the funniest part: football teams warming up around the wrestling meet. WTF?
I hope I missed a troll.
I'm serious.
Football warmups don't really happen between the 40s anyways. The mat would encroach a little more on warmups, but still allow it to happen. Kick/punt warmups would be impacted the most.
Laugh all you like. If you want a huge attendance number, you need to get as close to kickoff as possible. Otherwise you'll have a small crowd in a giant stadium.
If this is going to be a successful venture, both wrestling and football have to get out of their comfort zone and give up some things.
Football warmups don't really happen between the 40s anyways. The mat would encroach a little more on warmups, but still allow it to happen. Kick/punt warmups would be impacted the most.
Laugh all you like. If you want a huge attendance number, you need to get as close to kickoff as possible. Otherwise you'll have a small crowd in a giant stadium.
If this is going to be a successful venture, both wrestling and football have to get out of their comfort zone and give up some things.
I don't know about Minn but our punting won't be affected if it is anything like last year.
Disagree completely. I think the majority of football fans would file into Kinnick and check out the wrestling meet if it were held at midday, provided it were promoted aggressively and appropriately. Tens of thousands of football fans will be tailgating all around Kinnick all day, anyway. IMO, the meet would be a fun break from the tailgate. If it were held early enough, fans would still have several hours of tailgating after the meet and before the game.
I don't think there's any way the football coaches would agree with having their team warm up during a wrestling meet. That would be a complete fiasco, IMO.
Not sure why you think fans are incapable of attending two sporting events in one day. Heck -- that would be half of the fun.
I have heard from Cowboy fans that are excited to come to this event - one of whom will be breaking a lifetime vow to "never again come to Iowa City". We are working toward finding kids' groups from Oklahoma that we can help attend.
Can someone please tell me why we are (apparently) going to wrestle Oklahoma State in the first dual of the season? As i pointed out before, the weekend in question is the same weekend that was the Luther Open last year and the lineup wasn't even set and there were some questions as to who was ready by then....i don't see this being the greatest of situations...
I can barely fathom the cluster**** of trying to host a wrestling meet while about 150 football players are warming up for a game. No way does that work.
As GG said, the wrestling meet with have to/need to mostly survive on it's own merit and not be a sideshow act during a football game.
OK state would have just as many lineup issues as us if not a lot more. Our lineup will be pretty much set.
141 Will be Carton unless Grothus cuts down. Don't get us started on the Brody cut. Carton will be good but not great. One things that will help him is his conditioning and motor is top notch
157 will be a hole, regardless if its Grothus, Cooper or Rhoads or whoever.
165 Likely Paddock. Could be a decent 165 after his redshirt 174 season. He could surprise but still miss the podium. Im anxious to see him at 165 vs a ranked guy.
174. Meyer can and has beaten the higher ranked OK st kid and his backups. If the cuts still ok for him he should be a darkhorse finalist type this year in a cleared out weight class.
HWT. Stoll
So really 157 is about the only mystery to me and at this point this staff should already have this addressed or its another epic fail. THey should have Brody either up or down unless Sorny said he is going 157. Which with Brody at 149 and Sorny at 157 we would be a better dual team but a lesser tourney team. I think Sorny's upside and finalist potential at 149 is just higher than Brody's or what either could do up at 157.
All that being said is I get what you are saying but I think OK state is in the same boat, maybe worse. they have some weight changes and some middle to upper weight depths to figure out.
Im just going to say this. I think Marsteller made a mistake. Hes stuck in a depth dliema for their lineup meanwhile Iowa is auditioning for any sort of 157 starter. Should have came to Iowa city. You would be starting . I talk about Stroker doesn't seem like the Gopher type and I just still don't see Marsteeler as a Cowboy either. That one still has me scratching my head 2 years later.
141 Will be Carton unless Grothus cuts down. Don't get us started on the Brody cut. Carton will be good but not great. One things that will help him is his conditioning and motor is top notch
157 will be a hole, regardless if its Grothus, Cooper or Rhoads or whoever.
165 Likely Paddock. Could be a decent 165 after his redshirt 174 season. He could surprise but still miss the podium. Im anxious to see him at 165 vs a ranked guy.
174. Meyer can and has beaten the higher ranked OK st kid and his backups. If the cuts still ok for him he should be a darkhorse finalist type this year in a cleared out weight class.
HWT. Stoll
So really 157 is about the only mystery to me and at this point this staff should already have this addressed or its another epic fail. THey should have Brody either up or down unless Sorny said he is going 157. Which with Brody at 149 and Sorny at 157 we would be a better dual team but a lesser tourney team. I think Sorny's upside and finalist potential at 149 is just higher than Brody's or what either could do up at 157.
All that being said is I get what you are saying but I think OK state is in the same boat, maybe worse. they have some weight changes and some middle to upper weight depths to figure out.
Im just going to say this. I think Marsteller made a mistake. Hes stuck in a depth dliema for their lineup meanwhile Iowa is auditioning for any sort of 157 starter. Should have came to Iowa city. You would be starting . I talk about Stroker doesn't seem like the Gopher type and I just still don't see Marsteeler as a Cowboy either. That one still has me scratching my head 2 years later.
This is an opportunity to promote the sport and the program. That is the first available Saturday for a dual meet that also fits with a football game. I guess an alternative would be the following weekend but 11/14 is already late in the year whether wise. I don't think Cornell College is going to have the draw of an Iowa/OK State battle.
An if we lose, who really cares? It's a nonconference dual meet in November.
One other thing I failed to mention. The powers that be aren't going to want to host two separate Kinnick events on the same day. It is hard enough to staff hundreds of people at a Kinnick night game. Adding another event earlier in the day, along with the related overhead, is not realistic.
I would have to think that all logistical issues were at least discussed within the entire athletic department before the decision was made to hold the event. I'm guessing that Tom Brands did not make this decision unilaterally - Ferentz, Barta and everyone else were likely aware and have signed off at some level.
That's not much of a can-do attitude. This isn't that big of a deal. It most certainly can be done.
