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Kemerer 149/Sorensen 157

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With the great results thus far at Grand View and Harold Nichols open are 2 mid/low AA'S at 49&57 worth more to the Hawks at nationals than one high AA at 49 and few points at 157 by Cooper?
 
So move a proven guy at a weight he does well at to become a question mark at a higher weight?
 
I agree chief! Maybe have BS wrestle Iowa Duals and maybe Midlands to see the result? If it helps the team great, if not nothing hurt?
 
I agree chief! Maybe have BS wrestle Iowa Duals and maybe Midlands to see the result? If it helps the team great, if not nothing hurt?

Haha Knight...I was being sarcastic. At its core, wrestling is an individual sport and if Sorensen wants to stay at 49 because its best for him, then that's what should happen. Maybe next year with Marinelli not shirting...Vall, what the hell? Folks are up in here trying to take over the title brother.
 
Well I been thinking maybe not this year. Kem seems like he wants to wrestle 149 rest of this year which is fine with my thinking..Let him redshirt get his feet wet.
But early like right after nationals either him or Brandon make the choice who is going up to 157 and work out with Doyle..Least we have a hole next year again at 157.
So my line up for 16-17 would be.
Gillman
Clark
Turk
Kem
Sorensen
"The Bull" (Brands fist true freshman}
Meyer
Brooks
??
Stoll
We need to get a title with Gillman and Clark at there last year.
 
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Fear not minnhawkeye, next season will be the 2nd team title Iowa acquires with Gilman and Clark at the helm, the first coming this season. Then we will move into the Kemerer/Sorensen/Marinelli/Lee era of Titles at Iowa.
 
Haha Knight...I was being sarcastic. At its core, wrestling is an individual sport and if Sorensen wants to stay at 49 because its best for him, then that's what should happen. Maybe next year with Marinelli not shirting...Vall, what the hell? Folks are up in here trying to take over the title brother.
I totally get what you are saying. This should be what is best for the University of Iowa, not any single wrestler however. That's why they are getting scholarships. Individual titles are great!, but ultimately it's all about team titles.
 
41 is right there for the taking this year. for us and nationally.
Well only if Brody can make the cut and still have the energy to go hard for 7 mins. You did notice that Chance M. who never cut is no way going to perform like he is capable. Unless he fiqures out how to cut prober
 
I assume Kem can't wrestle 141, right? If he could, (which I assume he can't) he may be able to AA there this year. if the kid is ready, let him wrestle. I think anything 149 and under, a great true frosh can compete. You never know what will happen. But, probably needs to redshirt because there is no spot for him at 149.
 
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Haha Knight...I was being sarcastic. At its core, wrestling is an individual sport and if Sorensen wants to stay at 49 because its best for him, then that's what should happen. Maybe next year with Marinelli not shirting...Vall, what the hell? Folks are up in here trying to take over the title brother.

haha. come on now Chief we all want Brody to cut to 141 for the team and last year before he got hurt he beat Sorsenson and Cooper.
 
Haha Knight...I was being sarcastic. At its core, wrestling is an individual sport and if Sorensen wants to stay at 49 because its best for him, then that's what should happen. Maybe next year with Marinelli not shirting...Vall, what the hell? Folks are up in here trying to take over the title brother.

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Fellas, it's so easy, maybe you need a refresher course (3:32 mark of link).

You may remember my work from some crazy lineup threads like, "Jeva to 149 (which he did but didn't work)", "Clark to 141", "Brooks to 197", "Burak should redshirt", "Moore to 157 (which he did while DSJ was hurt)". That's my list without even trying.

I know some of you are new here, but this whole crazy lineup thing, well, yeah, that's kinda my thing.

I know that you probably didn't know/remember that, so no harm.

But let's watch it, okay?
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And while I like the concept of the craziness, the problem is Sorensen can win it all at 149 and not at 157. And Gordon Gekko, Tom Brands, Vall and Chief all agree, "Greed is good"
 
I assume Kem can't wrestle 141, right? If he could, (which I assume he can't) he may be able to AA there this year. if the kid is ready, let him wrestle. I think anything 149 and under, a great true frosh can compete. You never know what will happen. But, probably needs to redshirt because there is no spot for him at 149.
Where's Vallholl to suggest Kemerer to 141 (and add emojis as appropriate)? Hawknut, you beat him to it!

EDIT - Vallholl joined the conversation as I was typing my original post. Good thing too, I was getting worried the space time continuum had been disrupted.
 
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I assume Kem can't wrestle 141, right? If he could, (which I assume he can't) he may be able to AA there this year. if the kid is ready, let him wrestle. I think anything 149 and under, a great true frosh can compete. You never know what will happen. But, probably needs to redshirt because there is no spot for him at 149.
As much as I'd like to see Kemerer at 141, that means it doesn't work for Brody. And I put a lot of internet effort into getting Brody to 141 as well as 7 pages of this board, so let's not bail on Grothus just yet.

Now, next year...
 
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haha. come on now Chief we all want Brody to cut to 141 for the team and last year before he got hurt he beat Sorsenson and Cooper.

Brody is making that call. He could have wrestled off with Sorensen this year too. Sorensen has a decent shot at winning it all...IMO, he has two guys in his way. Hopefully, Sorensen moves up next year to 157 and Kemerer slides right in.
 
I can't imagine either one being big enough to be competitive at 157 as I don't think either are cutting a lot of weight. I bet they have some great goes in the room. Will definitely make both better.
 
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Where's Vallholl to suggest Kemerer to 141 (and add emojis as appropriate)? Hawknut, you beat him to it!

EDIT - Vallholl joined the conversation as I was typing my original post. Good thing too, I was getting worried the space time continuum had been disrupted.

Too all you guys cutting in my crazy lineup action I give you this emoji.

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I guess I will have to work on getting Bowman to cut to 165. Or Austin Blythe. Don't make me go super crazy

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I totally get what you are saying. This should be what is best for the University of Iowa, not any single wrestler however. That's why they are getting scholarships. Individual titles are great!, but ultimately it's all about team titles.

But it's not...If Sorensen's weight is where he wrestles the best, than that is going to be what's best for the team versus moving up and possibly getting horsed out of an AA slot along with inserting Kemerer at 149 because he kicked ass this weekend. Remember last week and the video? Many were questioning the kid. Let's give him time to develop.

Occam's Razor...unless if Vall can come up with something really cool.
 
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Too all you guys cutting in my crazy lineup action I give you this emoji.

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I guess I will have to work on getting Bowman to cut to 165. Or Austin Blythe. Don't make me go super crazy

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And I know that Paddock beat Bowman at 174, so don't go all "crazy" on that.

Paddock may be the answer at 165. He is in my normal lineup.

Discuss.
 
But it's not...If Sorensen's weight is where he wrestles the best, than that is going to be what's best for the team versus moving up and possibly getting horsed out of an AA slot along with inserting Kemerer at 149 because he kicked ass this weekend. Remember last week and the video? Many were questioning the kid. Let's give him time to develop.

Occam's Razor...unless if Vall can come up with something really cool.
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I have not much here. Sorry, AZ.


BTW, Kwood is the emoji guy and he's busy until after Thanksgiving but then he owns it. And I'm kind of disappointed that nobody has added the inappropriate emojis that I'm too scared to add...
 
But it's not...If Sorensen's weight is where he wrestles the best, than that is going to be what's best for the team versus moving up and possibly getting horsed out of an AA slot along with inserting Kemerer at 149 because he kicked ass this weekend. Remember last week and the video? Many were questioning the kid. Let's give him time to develop.

Occam's Razor...unless if Vall can come up with something really cool.

Chief I did not mean this year read that post again. I don't want them to wait till fall in 16 to wrestle off for 149 we need both of them in the line up
 
maybe Vall can clear this up, but did I hear that EB was personally working with brody to make the cut to '41 safe and healthy?
 
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Chief I did not mean this year read that post again. I don't want them to wait till fall in 16 to wrestle off for 149 we need both of them in the line up

Gotcha...I think Sorensen would be probably be the best bet to move up next year. Something along the lines of:

125: Gilman
133: Clark
141: Turk/Ryan/etc
149:Kemmerer
157:Sorensen
165:Marinelli
 
Brody is making that call. He could have wrestled off with Sorensen this year too. Sorensen has a decent shot at winning it all...IMO, he has two guys in his way. Hopefully, Sorensen moves up next year to 157 and Kemerer slides right in.

Chief that is what I said but decide right away after nationals this year which one will gain the weight and strength don't wait till fall of 2016 have wrestle off and loser goes up
 
maybe Vall can clear this up, but did I hear that EB was personally working with brody to make the cut to '41 safe and healthy?
I read this too fast and thought you meant EB was going to 141 himself. But reading again, of course, EB is a team guy. He's helping everywhere.
 
Gotcha...I think Sorensen would be probably be the best bet to move up next year. Something along the lines of:

125: Gilman
133: Clark
141: Turk/Ryan/etc
149:Kemmerer
157:Sorensen
165:Marinelli
157 is where BS wanted to start out at in the first place, he was none to happy when Tom told him 149 is where your going to start out so there shouldn't be any problem or think BS would object to this. I remember this well when this came down. I agree with this lineup of Aschiefs.
 
Why Turk? To give you the opportunity to take shots at Kemerer's abilities and character the first time that he fails to meet YOUR expectations?
 
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I thought all of this "bounce Sorensen up a weight" had been put to rest. Guess not.
I'm for letting Brandon Sorensen wrestle wherever he wants to wrestle. If that's at 149 for 4 years, then that's where I want him. I personally think he's got a lot more in him then he has shown. I just love what this kid brings to the table, I just wish he'd let it out. I think he's got Brent Metcalf type ability. I really do and I'm sure some or many will think I'm crazy, but that's what I think. He's got everything you need in his tool kit to be a GREAT wrestler, minus the "take your head off" mentality that he needs to make that next step.

And as much as I like young Mr. Kemerer and our other recruits coming in, I don't think there's a one of them that's going to have anything to say about where Sorensen wrestles.
 
Unless I fell for a massive troll job when I read his Sam Stoll thread, I didn't really appreciate what he said about Sam.
Gotcha. I thought you were wondering why Hiwille was suggesting Turk in the lineup at 41, and I was struggling to figure out what that had to do with Kemerer at 49.

New topic: Medical redshirt for Grothus and he's the starter at 141 in 2016-17. Discuss.
 
Gotcha. I thought you were wondering why Hiwille was suggesting Turk in the lineup at 41, and I was struggling to figure out what that had to do with Kemerer at 49.

New topic: Medical redshirt for Grothus and he's the starter at 141 in 2016-17. Discuss.

Haha! Yeah, after I posted I wondered if should have quoted the op. My apologies to all for the confusion!
 
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That line up for 2016-17:
Gilman- Finalist
Clark- Champ
Turk- R12/Low AA
Kemerer- Top 6 (Don't think he can beat Retherford or Tsirtis)
Sorenson- Top 4 (But I think we see Nolf and IMar both move up so potentially higher)
The Bull- Low AA
Meyer- Top 6
Brooks- Top 3
Holloway- NQ
Stoll- R12/Low AA

Now that's one hell of a team and I think it would be the favorite to win it.
 
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