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Kenyon Murray has A LOT to say about this team

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During the OSU postgame podcast, Kenyon talked about how teams now have Iowa scouted and have been able to stop the plays Iowa runs for Jok and Uthoff.

He also said this is the time of the year where the 3rd, 4th and 5th guys have to step it up. Kenyon mentioned that 3 of the 4 years he was at Iowa they had 5 guys averaging double figure scoring so opponents never knew who the hot shooter would be at any given time. Against OSU, Gesell stepped up as the third guy, but, as Kenyone stated, "we got a subpar game from Anthony Clemmons and not a whole lot from the bench. Right now Iowa has become very predictable."

Other Murray comments:

Uthoff is taking off balance shots when he doesn't have to take off balanced shots.

You have to see how other teams are guarding you now and then adjust. When looking at film, Iowa players (and coaches) need to determine what they can do differently to combat the way teams will guard us.

On Mike's play at the basket at the end of the game: Kenyon stated that Mike needs to have a feel for if someone is coming from behind and either go up and get fouled or take it to other side for a reverse lay up.

In the final 3:48, Iowa got outscored 10-2. Kenyon then asked, "How many good shots did Iowa get in that last 3 minutes? Not very many."

"I don't understand how you lose the best 3 point shooter on the other team. That drives me nuts. Even if you are in a zone, you shadow him and say, 'hey, the ball swings away, you've got to be shadowing him. Defensively, guys have to be more locked in and understand who can hurt you in those situations."

"There's got to be a renewed focus on the defensive end. Going back to the Wisconsin game, the Indiana game and this game, other teams have been able to run and do whatever they want offensively. We can't allow teams to shoot 44% because we are not shooting that well now so we've got to get stops. Right now Iowa is having a tough time finding buckets.....Maybe the defense can then generate some offense where Iowa can get out and run."

"We've seen Fran's style but I don't know what he is like behind closed doors but sometimes a coaching style can affect kids differently. When things are going good and the shots are failing, it's really easy to play then. But when things tighten up, players will play off their coach. If there is any tension or indecisiveness on the coaching staff as far as what they are going to run, players feed off of that too and you become a product of the environment that you are in. There are so many factors that go into it. We don't know what's changed in the last 4 weeks. There's a lot of factors we can sit here and speculate about; I think it comes back to the simple fact that they've got get back to guarding people and making it tougher on the other teams to score."

Some more Murray quotes:

"You have to have a counter because you know by this time of the year everybody has seen so much film on you, it's just like in football; we talk about scouting reports and taking away a team's tendencies and that's what they are doing to Iowa and there has to be something else that they have to be able to go to and we just haven't seen that. It's kind of been the same script every game and teams have caught on to them."

On what he experienced with Tom Davis and switching things up:

"Lot of times when your motion is not working, we go to play calls every time down the floor. That's just another different wrinkle. A team is not used to you running set after set after set and those kinds of things can help to shake things loose when you can get 2 to 3 options off one set and you have an open look and I thought they struggled to get open shots today. Something's got to change."

On why the motion offense has gone stagnant:

"Teams are getting more physical with Jok and Uthoff coming off those screens where the defenders are riding right on their hip; they are forcing them off those screens, so they are not getting the looks they once got. That's what I saw against Wisconsin; Wisconsin bodied up and was physical with Iowa in the 2nd half and I thought that you saw that in Ohio State with how they got after them. Iowa likes to play with space. Teams have figured out they have to close down that space and make Iowa uncomfortable, a lot like what happened to Uthoff in the 2nd half vs Iowa State. Thomas stayed under him and did not give him any space."

More thoughts from Kenyon:

"They didn't box out today (vs OSU). It comes back to fundamentals. It comes down to closing down driving lanes, it comes down to who is going to hurt you from the perimeter. and its going to come down to boxing out. So, understanding the scouting report, taking away the lane, which they didn't do (vs OSU) and rebounding. Those THREE things; if they can do that, they'll be able to win."

"Adam is so much better on the move. you get him more on pick and roll opportunities.Even if they hedge it, it gives Adam time to roll and when the help comes in the paint on the roll, now you have yous shooters coming in to the basketball. Adam made his HS career because he ran pick and roll with Marcus Paige; when he's had good games, its because he's been in on that action and he's been moving. He's not a back to the basket kind of guy. You have to get him moving. That's how you get him more involved. That's the wrinkle. We've got to get a big guy involved. There's nobody (on the OSU roster) physically that could stay with him. If he's moving to the basket, there's nobody big enough, strong enough to keep him from getting to the rim. That way you start putting pressure on their big guys inside."

On Iowa's offensive approach:

"If they (the opponent's D) make an adjustment, I make an adjustment. If I put pressure on the basket with the dribble or the roll, that's going to force the defense to go help or else we are going to get layups; so, do you want to give up layups or do you want to give up 3's. That way you are getting your shooters moving and everything is about rhythm. I just think you have to get Adam involved, whether he is scoring or not; you're forcing the D to make adjustments and that's going to get your guys open. When he's been involved with screen and roll plays and he's scoring the basketball, Iowa is better; there's no doubt about it. "

Regarding if the team is tired:

"Everybody is tired. Practices are a lot shorter. Practices are about fine tuning, about getting your body healed, resting; players have to go watch film; practices this time of year may be an hour long. It's upon the player to watch film with the coaches and evaluate how you are playing. If you are playing like crap, its up to the player on how am I going to change that. One thing Chris Street taught me early on is that you always have to be evaluating your game. And he would sit and watch film on why he didn't get 10 or 11 rebounds this game. What did I do different from game 1 to game 2."

On Uthoff stating that he didn't know there the team's confidence was at:

"Then you don't have a pulse on your team. You're the leader of the team. There's got to be somebody on that team that has their finger on the pulse on how everybody is feeling. It comes down to leadership from those guys."

Other thoughts:

"I guarantee you that in this loss, the coaches probably feel worse than the players and that can't happen. And you won't win if the coaches are always feeling worse than the players. You will never win a championship at any level."

"Wagner is getting 8 minutes per game. Make those 8 minutes count. If someone comes in the lane, let him know that this is our paint. Same thing with Uhl; guy goes to the rim; you are 6'9! If I can't block the shot, I am going to make sure you don't get it up. You just have to play that way. Playing with Jess and Kingsbury, if you went to the lane....we know Kingsbury would ride you into the bench. We were not opposed to laying a hard foul on you so you knew you couldn't come into the paint."

"Unless you are the Golden State Warriers, you can't make your identity on offense. It's got to be on defense, rebounding and toughness."

Kenyon sat right behind the bench during the Wisconsin game. "The one thing I never saw was one of the guys come off the floor, to the bench, and be animated toward the other guys on the bench. That's non existent. There's got to be someone other than Fran that has got to get pissed off. "

On the fact that some guys don't respond well to Fran yelling at them and that they turtle up: "It's sports, though, too. Come on, man. Then they don't need to be here and that's a whole new issue that we can get into, there."

"If you are in any kind of relationship, boyfriend, girlfriend, you are going to get yelled at at some point in time. And Fran is not going to change who he is. The players knew the way Fran was when they signed here. But now does it become a case of in one ear, out the other?"

"In 4 years at Iowa, we never lost a Senior game. None of our seniors ever lost. And there is a reason for it. It's the last time they dress and get to play in front of that great crowd at Carver Hawkeye Arena. I loved playing at Carver Hawkeye. If you can't get amped up for your Senior game, then you never deserved to wear the uniform."
 
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Isn't this true of most teams?
They've all been scouted and they all need to guard people to have more success.
 
'I think it comes back to the simple fact that they've got get back to guarding people and making it tougher on the other teams to score."

This exactly. You arent shooting 80% every night, so you better able to dig in and get stops when shots arent falling.
 
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I think Kenyon is hitting the nail on the head. I didn't think it would be so possible to simply emphasize defense on Jok and Uhtoff and stop them.

Gezell is a tough guy but makes incorrect decisions too often down the stretch. Always has. It is what it is. I wish he'd facilitate at games end instead of trying to do it himself. Other than that, I love Mikey and we'll miss him next year
 
'I think it comes back to the simple fact that they've got get back to guarding people and making it tougher on the other teams to score."

This exactly. You arent shooting 80% every night, so you better able to dig in and get stops when shots arent falling.

This. x 100.

The shooting slump has hurt big time, no doubt. However, when the shots aren't falling you have to play lock down defense. We haven't been doing that the past couple weeks.
 
There is some validity to that statement. Sometimes teams still make shots when guarded though but we need to ratchet it up right now.
 
'I think it comes back to the simple fact that they've got get back to guarding people and making it tougher on the other teams to score."

This exactly. You arent shooting 80% every night, so you better able to dig in and get stops when shots arent falling.

Yup agreed, they have to start playing better defense. I said it back in '14 when we collapsed then too. The team stopped playing defense and allowing dribble penetration and it left shooters WIDE open for 3's or jump shots. The guys have to get better at moving their feet. If I am Iowa I am not guarding anyone outside the 3pt line, sag off. IF they start hitting 3's, then get out on them. But for the life of me, I do not understand why our guards are out by the half court circle guarding, only to get burnt by. I realize teams do pick n rolls and what not, but sag off them. Make them shoot the 3 ball. If they are hitting, then you have to get out on em.
 
Since I went through the trouble of fact checking figured I'd put this here.

1995-1996
Rk Player G PTS
1 Settles, J 32 15.1
2 Millard, R 32 13.7
3 Wooldridge, A 32 13.1
4 Kingsbury, C 29 11.9
5 Murray, K 32 9.5
1994-1995
Rk Player G PTS
1 Kingsbury, C 33 16.8
2 Settles, J 26 15.6
3 Wooldridge, A 33 14
4 Murray, K 33 11.5
5 Bartels, J 33 11.2
1993-1994
Rk Player G PTS
1 Winters, J 23 18
2 Settles, J 27 15.3
3 Murray, K 27 12.3
4 Bartels, J 27 11.5
5 Millard, R 27 11.2
1992-1993
Rk Player G PTS
1 Earl, A 32 16.9
2 Barnes, V 32 14.7
3 Street, C 15 14.5
4 Winters, J 32 8.6
5 Lookingbill, W 31 7.4
 
Other Murray comments:

Uthoff is taking off balance shots when he doesn't have to take off balanced shots. (Kenyon must have been reading my comments about Uthoff over the last 4-5 games.......)

You have to see how other teams are guarding you now and then adjust. When looking at film, Iowa players (and coaches) need to determine what they can do differently to combat the way teams will guard us.

On Mike's play at the basket at the end of the game: Kenyon stated that Mike needs to have a feel for if someone is coming from behind and either go up and get fouled or take it to other side for a reverse lay up. (Yup, or at least protect the ball better than he does...)

In the final 3:48, Iowa got outscored 10-2. Kenyon then asked, "How many good shots did Iowa get in that last 3 minutes? Not very many." (Of course.)

"I don't understand how you lose the best 3 point shooter on the other team. That drives me nuts. Even if you are in a zone, you shadow him and say, 'hey, the ball swings away, you've got to be shadowing him. Defensively, guys have to be more locked in and understand who can hurt you in those situations." (Yeah, but this is an Iowa staple.........It wouldn't be Iowa basketball if we weren't allowing guys to get wide open for 3s against our zone, whetehr they're that team's best 3-pt shooter or some random f*** who averages 2 ppg coming in, and is probably a fat f***ing post player. That is just Iowa basketball, man......)

"There's got to be a renewed focus on the defensive end. Going back to the Wisconsin game, the Indiana game and this game, other teams have been able to run and do whatever they want offensively. We can't allow teams to shoot 44% because we are not shooting that well now so we've got to get stops. Right now Iowa is having a tough time finding buckets.....Maybe the defense can then generate some offense where Iowa can get out and run." (Iowa is soft guarding people period. Man, zone, doesn't matter. Everyone plays like they don't want to foul and when they do foul, they're usually reach-ins, hand-checks, rakes across the arm after leaving their feet on shot fakes etc. Ya know, the weaker fouls.........And yes, this whole team has an issue with keeping their feet on the ground on a shot fake.)

"We've seen Fran's style but I don't know what he is like behind closed doors but sometimes a coaching style can affect kids differently. When things are going good and the shots are failing, it's really easy to play then. But when things tighten up, players will play off their coach. If there is any tension or indecisiveness on the coaching staff as far as what they are going to run, players feed off of that too and you become a product of the environment that you are in. There are so many factors that go into it. We don't know what's changed in the last 4 weeks. There's a lot of factors we can sit here and speculate about; I think it comes back to the simple fact that they've got get back to guarding people and making it tougher on the other teams to score."
 
During the OSU postgame podcast, Kenyon talked about how teams now have Iowa scouted and have been able to stop the plays Iowa runs for Jok and Uthoff.

He also said this is the time of the year where the 3rd, 4th and 5th guys have to step it up. Kenyon mentioned that 3 of the 4 years he was at Iowa they had 5 guys averaging double figure scoring so opponents never knew who the hot shooter would be at any given time. Against OSU, Gesell stepped up as the third guy, but, as Kenyone stated, "we got a subpar game from Anthony Clemmons and not a whole lot from the bench. Right now Iowa has become very predictable."

Other Murray comments:

Uthoff is taking off balance shots when he doesn't have to take off balanced shots.

You have to see how other teams are guarding you now and then adjust. When looking at film, Iowa players (and coaches) need to determine what they can do differently to combat the way teams will guard us.

On Mike's play at the basket at the end of the game: Kenyon stated that Mike needs to have a feel for if someone is coming from behind and either go up and get fouled or take it to other side for a reverse lay up.

In the final 3:48, Iowa got outscored 10-2. Kenyon then asked, "How many good shots did Iowa get in that last 3 minutes? Not very many."

"I don't understand how you lose the best 3 point shooter on the other team. That drives me nuts. Even if you are in a zone, you shadow him and say, 'hey, the ball swings away, you've got to be shadowing him. Defensively, guys have to be more locked in and understand who can hurt you in those situations."

"There's got to be a renewed focus on the defensive end. Going back to the Wisconsin game, the Indiana game and this game, other teams have been able to run and do whatever they want offensively. We can't allow teams to shoot 44% because we are not shooting that well now so we've got to get stops. Right now Iowa is having a tough time finding buckets.....Maybe the defense can then generate some offense where Iowa can get out and run."

"We've seen Fran's style but I don't know what he is like behind closed doors but sometimes a coaching style can affect kids differently. When things are going good and the shots are failing, it's really easy to play then. But when things tighten up, players will play off their coach. If there is any tension or indecisiveness on the coaching staff as far as what they are going to run, players feed off of that too and you become a product of the environment that you are in. There are so many factors that go into it. We don't know what's changed in the last 4 weeks. There's a lot of factors we can sit here and speculate about; I think it comes back to the simple fact that they've got get back to guarding people and making it tougher on the other teams to score."
The highlighted annoys the hell out me. It's a major point the Stacy King brings up during Bulls games. You must identify who the other teams shooters are early on and you make sure they don't get wide open looks. You don't leave them open by rotating over, you keep in contact with that guy and never give him wide open shots.

The last paragraph also touches on a point I've made when I call Fran, The Frontrunner. When things are going well, and everyone is hitting their shots, all is good in Fran world. However, when that's not the case the team plays tentative, guys are hesitant, and they look like a mess. Part of that is on coaching, it's the coaches job to change the mindset, to get the team believing in themselves again. Fran hasn't shown he has this ability, as we've seen some incredible meltdowns during his tenure. He's yet to show he can right the ship when the team is headed for the iceberg. I'll be surprised if this team wins the rest of the season. I don't know if it's something that can be fix by bringing in a new asst coach, but Fran has to do something when the team starts on a downward spiral. Right now it looks like Fran is the man with no plan.
 
The highlighted annoys the hell out me. It's a major point the Stacy King brings up during Bulls games. You must identify who the other teams shooters are early on and you make sure they don't get wide open looks. You don't leave them open by rotating over, you keep in contact with that guy and never give him wide open shots.

The last paragraph also touches on a point I've made when I call Fran, The Frontrunner. When things are going well, and everyone is hitting their shots, all is good in Fran world. However, when that's not the case the team plays tentative, guys are hesitant, and they look like a mess. Part of that is on coaching, it's the coaches job to change the mindset, to get the team believing in themselves again. Fran hasn't shown he has this ability, as we've seen some incredible meltdowns during his tenure. He's yet to show he can right the ship when the team is headed for the iceberg. I'll be surprised if this team wins the rest of the season. I don't know if it's something that can be fix by bringing in a new asst coach, but Fran has to do something when the team starts on a downward spiral. Right now it looks like Fran is the man with no plan.
That was Clemmons that left him. He had a really bad last minute of the game. He also just watched as Woody muffed a rebound on that same possession. Stuff like that really makes me wonder what we are actually losing in experience next year.
 
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Some more Murray quotes:

"You have to have a counter because you know by this time of the year everybody has seen so much film on you, it's just like in football; we talk about scouting reports and taking away a team's tendencies and that's what they are doing to Iowa and there has to be something else that they have to be able to go to and we just haven't seen that. It's kind of been the same script every game and teams have caught on to them."

On what he experienced with Tom Davis and switching things up:

"Lot of times when your motion is not working, we go to play calls every time down the floor. That's just another different wrinkle. A team is not used to you running set after set after set and those kinds of things can help to shake things loose when you can get 2 to 3 options off one set and you have an open look and I thought they struggled to get open shots today. Something's got to change."

On why the motion offense has gone stagnant:

"Teams are getting more physical with Jok and Uthoff coming off those screens where the defenders are riding right on their hip; they are forcing them off those screens, so they are not getting the looks they once got. That's what I saw against Wisconsin; Wisconsin bodied up and was physical with Iowa in the 2nd half and I thought that you saw that in Ohio State with how they got after them. Iowa likes to play with space. Teams have figured out they have to close down that space and make Iowa uncomfortable, a lot like what happened to Uthoff in the 2nd half vs Iowa State. Thomas stayed under him and did not give him any space."
 
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I think Kenyon is hitting the nail on the head. I didn't think it would be so possible to simply emphasize defense on Jok and Uhtoff and stop them.

Gezell is a tough guy but makes incorrect decisions too often down the stretch. Always has. It is what it is. I wish he'd facilitate at games end instead of trying to do it himself. Other than that, I love Mikey and we'll miss him next year
It's very popular right now to beat up on Gesell these days but the way I see it, he realizes in the final minutes that nobody else is going to do anything so he tries to take it over. Not always wisely, but he doesn't do something, nothing is going to be done.
 
It's very popular right now to beat up on Gesell these days but the way I see it, he realizes in the final minutes that nobody else is going to do anything so he tries to take it over. Not always wisely, but he doesn't do something, nothing is going to be done.

and doesn't this come back to coaching? don't the coaches need to figure out the sets so that it does not become Mike, one on 5???
 
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More thoughts from Kenyon:

"They didn't box out today (vs OSU). It comes back to fundamentals. It comes down to closing down driving lanes, it comes down to who is going to hurt you from the perimeter. and its going to come down to boxing out. So, understanding the scouting report, taking away the lane, which they didn't do (vs OSU) and rebounding. Those THREE things; if they can do that, they'll be able to win."

"Adam is so much better on the move. you get him more on pick and roll opportunities.Even if they hedge it, it gives Adam time to roll and when the help comes in the paint on the roll, now you have yous shooters coming in to the basketball. Adam made his HS career because he ran pick and roll with Marcus Paige; when he's had good games, its because he's been in on that action and he's been moving. He's not a back to the basket kind of guy. You have to get him moving. That's how you get him more involved. That's the wrinkle. We've got to get a big guy involved. There's nobody (on the OSU roster) physically that could stay with him. If he's moving to the basket, there's nobody big enough, strong enough to keep him from getting to the rim. That way you start putting pressure on their big guys inside."

On Iowa's offensive approach:

"If they (the opponent's D) make an adjustment, I make an adjustment. If I put pressure on the basket with the dribble or the roll, that's going to force the defense to go help or else we are going to get layups; so, do you want to give up layups or do you want to give up 3's. That way you are getting your shooters moving and everything is about rhythm. I just think you have to get Adam involved, whether he is scoring or not; you're forcing the D to make adjustments and that's going to get your guys open. When he's been involved with screen and roll plays and he's scoring the basketball, Iowa is better; there's no doubt about it. "

Regarding if the team is tired:

"Everybody is tired. Practices are a lot shorter. Practices are about fine tuning, about getting your body healed, resting; players have to go watch film; practices this time of year may be an hour long. It's upon the player to watch film with the coaches and evaluate how you are playing. If you are playing like crap, its up to the player on how am I going to change that. One thing Chris Street taught me early on is that you always have to be evaluating your game. And he would sit and watch film on why he didn't get 10 or 11 rebounds this game. What did I do different from game 1 to game 2."

On Uthoff stating that he didn't know there the team's confidence was at:

"Then you don't have a pulse on your team. You're the leader of the team. There's got to be somebody on that team that has their finger on the pulse on how everybody is feeling. It comes down to leadership from those guys."

Other thoughts:

"I guarantee you that in this loss, the coaches probably feel worse than the players and that can't happen. And you won't win if the coaches are always feeling worse than the players. You will never win a championship at any level."

"Wagner is getting 8 minutes per game. Make those 8 minutes count. If someone comes in the lane, let him know that this is our paint. Same thing with Uhl; guy goes to the rim; you are 6'9! If I can't block the shot, I am going to make sure you don't get it up. You just have to play that way. Playing with Jess and Kingsbury, if you went to the lane....we know Kingsbury would ride you into the bench. We were not opposed to laying a hard foul on you so you knew you couldn't come into the paint."

"Unless you are the Golden State Warriers, you can't make your identity on offense. It's got to be on defense, rebounding and toughness."

Kenyon sat right behind the bench during the Wisconsin game. "The one thing I never saw was one of the guys come off the floor, to the bench, and be animated toward the other guys on the bench. That's non existent. There's got to be someone other than Fran that has got to get pissed off. "

On the fact that some guys don't respond well to Fran yelling at them and that they turtle up: "It's sports, though, too. Come on, man. Then they don't need to be here and that's a whole new issue that we can get into, there."

"If you are in any kind of relationship, boyfriend, girlfriend, you are going to get yelled at at some point in time. And Fran is not going to change who he is. The players knew the way Fran was when they signed here. But now does it become a case of in one ear, out the other?"

"In 4 years at Iowa, we never lost a Senior game. None of our seniors ever lost. And there is a reason for it. It's the last time they dress and get to play in front of that great crowd at Carver Hawkeye Arena. I loved playing at Carver Hawkeye. If you can't get amped up for your Senior game, then you never deserved to wear the uniform."
 
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Kenyon should speak more often. Respect the hell out what he's saying too because he defended hard and his teams absolutely attacked the boards.

he definitely did not hold back at all; i love when he talked about the paint being ours and if you come in there, you will be dealt with

not sure where he coaches now? anyone know? he's a helleva lot of fun to listen to
 
not sure where he coaches now? anyone know? he's a helleva lot of fun to listen to

Not sure he does...I thought they mentioned he was coaching his daughter's volleyball team last week when they talked about taping at a later time than usual.
 
Kenyon should speak more often. Respect the hell out what he's saying too because he defended hard and his teams absolutely attacked the boards.

Well, I do too and he should know because I remember watching all of those teams/games Kenyon played on and if Hawkeye Report was around back then, I can guarantee you the BB Board would be LIT UP with the backlash of play comments probably many about Kenyon and what we are seeing the same today with this team. I would've been here too, not complaining as much as others do but a much younger EduNeerHawk fan none the less.

We need to always play harder on the D end when you chalk up an L. Didn't get enough stops to get the W....Kenyon's teams needed to too.

But the game is also about match-ups for the most part. Woody didn't match up well when Bielfeldt stepped out beyond the 3 line and knocked down those 3 shots. You could see the coaches screaming at Woody on the sidelines telling him to get out on him but it's a tough match up for Woody. Also, even with Mike and Sapp...Yoggi had a terrific game and we really had no one to match up on him to stopped his excellent guard play...shooting, passing and dribbling. Bryan Forbes Yoggi is not. And IU made us pay when we tried to press and trap shooters,they moved the bell very well and found the open shot and then knocked em down continuously.

I watched the game again and not so bad really and the team played better with the more athletic lineup in there to "match up" better with the IU talent and skills on the floor....very exciting to see this actually because I see the future and I like it.....A LOT.
 
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he definitely did not hold back at all; i love when he talked about the paint being ours and if you come in there, you will be dealt with

not sure where he coaches now? anyone know? he's a helleva lot of fun to listen to

He is a varsity assistant at Cedar Rapids Prairie. His twin boys Kris and Keegan are 6'1" 9th graders who played on the Prairie Sophomore team this year. Both are perimeter players who like to put up the 3 ball. Keegan hit 7 threes at Hempstead. The Sophs finished 18 - 5 in the MV.
 
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He is a varsity assistant at Cedar Rapids Prairie. His twin boys Kris and Keegan are 6'1" 9th graders who played on the Prairie Sophomore team this year. Both are perimeter players who like to put up the 3 ball. Keegan hit 7 threes at Hempstead. The Sophs finished 18 - 5 in the MV.

are they projected as D1 prospects?
 
Kenyon is spot on...on everything he said. I'd hire him today. The stuff about giving hard fouls and letting opponents know you're not going to just let them do what they want is one of the fundamental weaknesses of this team. So much of sports is mental, and this team has proven over and over that, as a group, it doesn't understand what it means to really, really compete.

When the other guy is in your jersey, you don't go pout in the corner. By gosh you do something about it. Watch almost any pickup game anywhere, and guys don't put up with that BS. Stand up for yourself. Compete. It's not just the ice cream that's soft serve at Carver, and until that changes, Iowa will continue to struggle.

Dan Gable, among other great competitors, has said something like "If you don't HATE to lose, what's the motivation to WIN?"

No, the Hawkeyes don't enjoy losing, but based on what I'm seeing and hearing...for the second time in three years...I'm not convinced that many of them really HATE to lose. So that's where they are. Can that mindset change by Saturday? We'll see.
 
Of all of his observations, Murray's point about allowing the opponent's best 3PT shooter(s) to wander around the perimeter unguarded resonates most with me.

It is maddening to watch and its driving me to consume unsafe amounts of hard liquor once again.
 
Kenyon is spot on...on everything he said. I'd hire him today. The stuff about giving hard fouls and letting opponents know you're not going to just let them do what they want is one of the fundamental weaknesses of this team. So much of sports is mental, and this team has proven over and over that, as a group, it doesn't understand what it means to really, really compete.

When the other guy is in your jersey, you don't go pout in the corner. By gosh you do something about it. Watch almost any pickup game anywhere, and guys don't put up with that BS. Stand up for yourself. Compete. It's not just the ice cream that's soft serve at Carver, and until that changes, Iowa will continue to struggle.

Dan Gable, among other great competitors, has said something like "If you don't HATE to lose, what's the motivation to WIN?"

No, the Hawkeyes don't enjoy losing, but based on what I'm seeing and hearing...for the second time in three years...I'm not convinced that many of them really HATE to lose. So that's where they are. Can that mindset change by Saturday? We'll see.

This has some validity I think; how much I don't know. It is one of the reasons I am looking forward to eventually watching players like Fleming and Hutton (and probably Cook). Let's see some attitude out there - not unsportsmanlike conduct but some visible determination to compete and show opponents that you mean business.
 
41-27, 41-30. Guess what those are. o_O

To me it sounds like a lot of frustration on Kenyon as a fan, like we all feel. I'm not going to say anything derogatory about Kenyon's comments as another poster figured people would. Because when things are going well Kenyon says so! My complaints are saved for the fair weather fans one never hears give a compliment to any player.

Again, just my opinion but I think Murray made many excellent points. I would remind him though that as far as identifying the hot three point shooter it is easy to criticize but sooner or later someone is going to point out that Dr. Tom's teams constantly sagged in and left shooters wide open!!! :)

So anyway, those numbers? Kenyon went 41-27 in Big Ten play. Our current seniors are at 41-30.
 
Murray mentioned adjustments. I was disappointed we never tried to post Peter up when the smaller Yogi was guarding him
 
Murray mentioned adjustments. I was disappointed we never tried to post Peter up when the smaller Yogi was guarding him

After Yogi picked up his second with what, 9:00 is so in the first half, Jok had a semi brake away where he could have taken it right at Yogi and he went left to be fouled by another player. Another time we did get it to him in the paint with Ferrel on his back and Jok chose to dribble back out instead of taking it to him. I'm convinced he's sick, hurt or both.
 
41-27, 41-30. Guess what those are. o_O

To me it sounds like a lot of frustration on Kenyon as a fan, like we all feel. I'm not going to say anything derogatory about Kenyon's comments as another poster figured people would. Because when things are going well Kenyon says so! My complaints are saved for the fair weather fans one never hears give a compliment to any player.

Again, just my opinion but I think Murray made many excellent points. I would remind him though that as far as identifying the hot three point shooter it is easy to criticize but sooner or later someone is going to point out that Dr. Tom's teams constantly sagged in and left shooters wide open!!! :)

So anyway, those numbers? Kenyon went 41-27 in Big Ten play. Our current seniors are at 41-30.

Agree. I also don't remember those teams doing anything different in different situations. Always pressed, always ran the same motion offense, and always left 3 pt shooters open.

Kenyon is correct in his points, IMO. But I don't agree that Davis's teams did those things.
 
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