KF’s Dog House

[Hawkeyeinsoutherncalifornia]

Is there some reason why T Young isn’t playing much as he should be? I mean when he gets in he rumbles for good yardage.. seems like it’s the Sargent and IKM show.. not that I have a issue with it but curious because of the amount of carries and I am unsure if he even sniffed the field in the first half of the game yesterday

 

[bigfridaynite]

Just a gut feeling but I bet Young gets the work load next week. It's a long season

 

[scotthawk1964]

I don't think he played in the first half, and have not heard of him being in the dog house. I would assume that KM and Sargent have been performing better in practice. Just a guess

 

[CUHawkeye91]

It looks like Young has more carries than IKM or MS on the year, so it’s hard to say he’s being ignored. Young tends to get the more quiet carries.

That being said, IKM has missed time and he’s only a few carries behind young. There does seem to be an attempt to get the ‘big play’ potential back I the game versus the reliable bruiser.

 

[BubsFinn]

Staying one step ahead of he-who-must-not-be-named.

 

[InsaneHawkJJP]

Seems to me like they’ve been intentionally saving Young for the second half. If he’s okay with that, I think it’s a good strategy!

 

[anon_hc7hkvtk15hp5]

I don't think he played in the first half, and have not heard of him being in the dog house. I would assume that KM and Sargent have been performing better in practice. Just a guess

Either Dolph or Podolak on the radio said Sargent is the best blocker, so I would guess that also has an impact on the number of snaps they’d he’s getting.

 

[Kurt Warner]

I was surprised they didn't try Young some it the first half when Martin was struggling to get yards. Seemed like the first few games they were rotating them more which seemed to be working and they kinda road the hot hand. Not so much against minni

 

[And1Hawk]

Is there some reason why T Young isn’t playing much as he should be? I mean when he gets in he rumbles for good yardage.. seems like it’s the Sargent and IKM show.. not that I have a issue with it but curious because of the amount of carries and I am unsure if he even sniffed the field in the first half of the game yesterday

If you go back 30 or so pages to August you were touting IKM as the back that would separate himself among the 3 headed monster. Others were on Sargent. You predicted that we’d be kicking butt in the running game. Now your tune is where is Young?

That’s what over-hyping things early instead of letting things play out and also not recognizing that we have been struggling to run the ball the last couple of seasons. It’s fantasy vs reality.

 

[nu2u]

Either Dolph or Podolak on the radio said Sargent is the best blocker, so I would guess that also has an impact on the number of snaps they’d he’s getting.

This could be true but which Iowa back do you want to rush on short yardage situations? A case could be made for Sargent because he is slippery and tough to tackle but Young looks like a better bet to me.

 

[LUC8]

IKM doesn't seem 100% if you ask me, he was running differently before the injury. Young is a workhorse back but there are two other RBs capable of handling the load as well. I don't think Toren is the issue and I highly doubt he's in the doghouse.

 

[bagdropper]

IKM and Sargent are "more complete backs". They also have a bit more wiggle to them.

Minnesota was damn well not gonna let Iowa pound them like Maryland did. And I'm betting the coaches decided based on how the game was shaking out that if IKM/MS weren't getting holes, Young wasn't going to either. And since the other two are better receivers - pretty sure I saw both of them splitting out wide a time or two in empty sets - Young got less PT as a result.

Nothing to see here really. They tried Young 3 times in the 3rd, nothing much resulted...so they kept with the other two. I think if Iowa would have not given up the late 2nd Q TD as well as the 3rd Q sack strip then TD, we'd have seen a lot more of TY.

 

[Shafthawk]

Saving the bruiser for the second half seems ass backwards to me.

 

[mazda1]

The issue IMO is the o line. Minn. sold out against the run, and our o line is middle of the road. We don't get holes against honest D's let alone when they stack the box.

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

Saving the bruiser for the second half seems ass backwards to me.

Not me.

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

IKM and Sargent are "more complete backs". They also have a bit more wiggle to them.

Minnesota was damn well not gonna let Iowa pound them like Maryland did. And I'm betting the coaches decided based on how the game was shaking out that if IKM/MS weren't getting holes, Young wasn't going to either. And since the other two are better receivers - pretty sure I saw both of them splitting out wide a time or two in empty sets - Young got less PT as a result.

Nothing to see here really. They tried Young 3 times in the 3rd, nothing much resulted...so they kept with the other two. I think if Iowa would have not given up the late 2nd Q TD as well as the 3rd Q sack strip then TD, we'd have seen a lot more of TY.

Yeah, I believe that Kirk has addressed this topic pretty extensively in interviews. Brian ultimately prefers the versatility that Ivory offers ... more of the playbook is available. If the hearsay is correct concerning Sargent being the best blocker ... and given how we've already seen him make some big plays in the passing game ... that further reinforces why he sees the reps he sees.

However, it's a long season AND the coaches clearly like Toren too ... thus, they ultimately try to get him reps too.

Thus, this definitely does not smell of a dog-house situation ... but rather it's an instance where the coaches have a limited number of reps to spread between three guys who they like. Toren can work on continuing to add more dimensions to his game - while he might not be a home-run hitter ... it IS within his power to improve as a blocker AND he can also continue to improve within the passing game too.

 

[chuck285]

Either Dolph or Podolak on the radio said Sargent is the best blocker, so I would guess that also has an impact on the number of snaps they’d he’s getting.

And if you're the best blocker and the game has changed to passing because of 8 man front, than that's probably the main reason for whose in the backfield...

 

[Hawkeyeinsoutherncalifornia]

You obviously can’t discuss anything and post like a juvenile because I just pointed out what you were proclaiming earlier in your eyes. You are insecure so you’d better ignore me. Young had 18 yards on 5 carries so I guess that’s your idea of a hot hand.

Ahhhhh I am shaking

 

[Hawkeyeinsoutherncalifornia]

How about I put my hand in ice cold water then slap your face?

You obviously can’t discuss anything and post like a juvenile because I just pointed out what you were proclaiming earlier in your eyes. You are insecure so you’d better ignore me. Young had 18 yards on 5 carries so I guess that’s your idea of a hot hand.

 

[And1Hawk]

How about I put my hand in ice cold water then slap your face?

I thought I was on ignore? Just proving you are a mental midget with pathetic posts.

 

[Hawkeyeinsoutherncalifornia]

A mental midget? Now that’s original Fag boy ... sounds like you have short mans disease penis breath


UOTE="And1Hawk, post: 5766340, member: 15436"]I thought I was on ignore? Just proving you are a mental midget with pathetic posts.[/QUOTE]

 

[Hawkeyeinsoutherncalifornia]

We can go on and on little man ..

I thought I was on ignore? Just proving you are a mental midget with pathetic posts.

 

[And1Hawk]

We can go on and on little man ..

Don’t blame me for your inability to form a dialogue. It’s time to move on from high school.

 

[redghost1974]

 

[cidhawkeye]

Sorry, asshole ... I didn’t know you had the troll meter on you fruit loop.. who gives a rats ass? I am going by the hot hand and who’s doing the best now in my eyes.. you don’t like my posts kiss my ass and hit “IGNORE” like I am going to do with you. Jesus Christ, if you have that much time on your hands to go lookup what people said in the past you need to check your self out.. fool

Hopefully avoiding the strongly worded wrath but you were pretty noticeable with your previous opinion.

 

[anon_gjzkhykcp9iuj]

If you go back 30 or so pages to August you were touting IKM as the back that would separate himself among the 3 headed monster. Others were on Sargent. You predicted that we’d be kicking butt in the running game. Now your tune is where is Young?

That’s what over-hyping things early instead of letting things play out and also not recognizing that we have been struggling to run the ball the last couple of seasons. It’s fantasy vs reality.

Internet discussing is serious business.

 

[Fan In Black]

Saving the bruiser for the second half seems ass backwards to me.

Why do you think this?

 

[Shafthawk]

Punish them with the bruiser earlier, then let the fast guys run around them when they have slowed a step or two.

Of course, you could say let the bruiser run through them once they are weakened too.

But, I wouldn't plan on saving the bruiser until the second half. Try em out early and ride the hot hand. Give them a mix of styles throughout the game.

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

Punish them with the bruiser earlier, then let the fast guys run around them when they have slowed a step or two.

Of course, you could say let the bruiser run through them once they are weakened too.

But, I wouldn't plan on saving the bruiser until the second half. Try em out early and ride the hot hand. Give them a mix of styles throughout the game.

I wouldn't say that any of our RBs were "finesse" style runners. I understand the strategy to use the more versatile-style RBs initially ... because the flexibility that they afford you makes it harder for the opposing D to schematically "cheat" based on personnel. Once you gain a lead ... that is when you start bludgeoning them with the sledge.

 

[Shafthawk]

I think many are over-thinking the timing aspect of when to use certain RB's.

A sledge can be effective early in the game too.

What is nice is having options, as different backs hit the hole at different speed, pad levels, etc. And you never know when one style might be more effective than another.

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

I think many are over-thinking the timing aspect of when to use certain RB's.

A sledge can be effective early in the game too.

What is nice is having options, as different backs hit the hole at different speed, pad levels, etc. And you never know when one style might be more effective than another.

Sure ... the sledge can serve as a change-of-pace back too. Given Brian's mentors ... my guess is that he sometimes gets a little overly concerned about being "multiple" and tipping things off to opposing Ds. Of course, given that Brian also specializes in working up mismatches ... particularly for our TEs. If you have a RB like Ivory ... that helps to open up more things for your TEs too because it puts a lot more pressure on the LBs and Ss (because they're the ones who need to cover BOTH our TEs and RBs).

 

[Rustys Dad]

My two cents (which honestly means nothing) ... but it's a message board so I will share my opinion ... Young is our best back. He pounds forward with his runs and he's difficult to bring down. And well, the numbers support my meaningless opinion ... ... To me, he is our #1 back and bring in the others to spot him ... I'd love to see Young get all the carries for a game just to see what he can do. I know it's a long season ... Sometimes I don't understand the RB rotation ...

Carries, Yards, Avg

Toren Young 54 286 5.3
Mekhi Sargent 53 184 3.5
Ivory Kelly-Martin 50 181 3.6

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

My two cents (which honestly means nothing) ... but it's a message board so I will share my opinion ... Young is our best back. He pounds forward with his runs and he's difficult to bring down. And well, the numbers support my meaningless opinion ... ... To me, he is our #1 back and bring in the others to spot him ... I'd love to see Young get all the carries for a game just to see what he can do. I know it's a long season ... Sometimes I don't understand the RB rotation ...

Carries, Yards, Avg

Toren Young 54 286 5.3
Mekhi Sargent 53 184 3.5
Ivory Kelly-Martin 50 181 3.6

Against P5 foes the numbers look more like ...

Rushing numbers (vs P5 foes)
Toren Young 32 120 3.75
Mekhi Sargent 26 72 2.77
Ivory Kelly-Martin 34 119 3.5

Receiving numbers (vs P5 foes)
Toren Young 0 0 0
Mekhi Sargent 0 0 0
Ivory Kelly-Martin 3 47 15.67

 

[HawkNole09]

Saving the bruiser for the second half seems ass backwards to me.

I kind of like it. Either way you run it it’s a curveball for the defense. But pounding late when fundamentals start to slip just a bit. We’re looking for 4-8 yard runs to eat clock.

I like it

 

[Rustys Dad]

Against P5 foes the numbers look more like ...

Rushing numbers (vs P5 foes)
Toren Young 32 120 3.75
Mekhi Sargent 26 72 2.77
Ivory Kelly-Martin 34 119 3.5

Receiving numbers (vs P5 foes)
Toren Young 0 0 0
Mekhi Sargent 0 0 0
Ivory Kelly-Martin 3 47 15.67

Who do you think is the better back ...? I know each brings something different to the table. I think Ivory Martin is the easiest to bring down. Young is hard to tackle.

 

[hawkfeever]

Is there some reason why T Young isn’t playing much as he should be? I mean when he gets in he rumbles for good yardage.. seems like it’s the Sargent and IKM show.. not that I have a issue with it but curious because of the amount of carries and I am unsure if he even sniffed the field in the first half of the game yesterday

I bet Kirk lets his dog or dogs stay in the house so that he doesn't have a dog house.

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

Who do you think is the better back ...? I know each brings something different to the table. I think Ivory Martin is the easiest to bring down. Young is hard to tackle.

I like Ivory and Toren the most ... almost the same amount. I'm maybe a little prejudiced in favor of Ivory because I remember the flashes that he demonstrated last year.

I like Mekhi too ... however, it seems to me that he's still learning how to run within our system. My bet is that by the time next year comes around ... Mekhi will probably pull nearly even with the other two with regard to productivity.

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

A mental midget? Now that’s original Fag boy ... sounds like you have short mans disease penis breath


UOTE="And1Hawk, post: 5766340, member: 15436"]I thought I was on ignore? Just proving you are a mental midget with pathetic posts.

[/QUOTE]
Did you really call somebody “fag boy” and “penis breath” holy shit you poo poo head- grow up LMAO

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

It seems that Toren plays the second half when IKM starts. Toren is a little slower than the other two guys. Powerful straight ahead but no burst. I'm just guessing but the liability of a slower back diminishes once the defenders are tired. Then they get to bang around with the big boy.

 

[Shafthawk]

Maybe top end speed, but lately IKM looks slower at the line of scrimmage, looks undecided.

Toren makes a quicker choice and starts getting up field.

For the style that IKM has been using lately to work, the back needs to have a great burst once he decides to go. He hasn't been showing that burst lately. He looks like a young back right now, feeling his way around out there.

Needs to start running hungrier, attack mode once he sees the hole.