Kirk confirmed back next year & beyond

[hawkifann]

I hope BG forces the process of posting the position for X days and requiring outside candidates so KF doesn't keep the SSDD offense going.

How much has hiring from within cost the program thus far? Recruiting, national press, personna damage? Far more cost in that than making the right hire from external.

Hiring from within isn’t inherently good or bad, it’s the who and the why that make the difference. Nobody looks back with any tinge of regret that Phil Parker was hired as DC after Norm passed away. Hiring from within there did nothing but elevate the status, recruiting, national press and persona of Iowa football. Similarly, if there’s a promotion in store somewhere for Abdul Hodge, I don’t think it’s going to cause any issues with recruiting, national press or the persona of the program.

This one particular hire, though, really can’t be from within. It could be someone who was formerly here (coach or player), but it can’t be someone from within the leadership of this offense.

All that said, though, unless BG is going to do the interviews and make the choice herself (she won’t), then it’s going to be an OC that runs the kind of offense KF wants to run. That’s just how these things work. I’ve seen comps to Bowden and that’s what we don’t want any part of - AD picking the next coach and stuffing a round peg into a square hole on the current coach’s staff.

 

[obfuscating]

Hiring from within isn’t inherently good or bad, it’s the who and the why that make the difference. Nobody looks back with any tinge of regret that Phil Parker was hired as DC after Norm passed away. Hiring from within there did nothing but elevate the status, recruiting, national press and persona of Iowa football. Similarly, if there’s a promotion in store somewhere for Abdul Hodge, I don’t think it’s going to cause any issues with recruiting, national press or the persona of the program.

This one particular hire, though, really can’t be from within. It could be someone who was formerly here (coach or player), but it can’t be someone from within the leadership of this offense.

All that said, though, unless BG is going to do the interviews and make the choice herself (she won’t), then it’s going to be an OC that runs the kind of offense KF wants to run. That’s just how these things work. I’ve seen comps to Bowden and that’s what we don’t want any part of - AD picking the next coach and stuffing a round peg into a square hole on the current coach’s staff.

PP was a great hire. I would assume when PP retires that Seth would be high on the list of candidates, but you still need to have an open competition (ala the QB's every year).

BF was not a good promotion (nepo aside).

The BF experiment has cost the program in negative national attention which impacts recruiting.

 

[hawkcub]

Hiring from within isn’t inherently good or bad, it’s the who and the why that make the difference. Nobody looks back with any tinge of regret that Phil Parker was hired as DC after Norm passed away. Hiring from within there did nothing but elevate the status, recruiting, national press and persona of Iowa football. Similarly, if there’s a promotion in store somewhere for Abdul Hodge, I don’t think it’s going to cause any issues with recruiting, national press or the persona of the program.

This one particular hire, though, really can’t be from within. It could be someone who was formerly here (coach or player), but it can’t be someone from within the leadership of this offense.

All that said, though, unless BG is going to do the interviews and make the choice herself (she won’t), then it’s going to be an OC that runs the kind of offense KF wants to run. That’s just how these things work. I’ve seen comps to Bowden and that’s what we don’t want any part of - AD picking the next coach and stuffing a round peg into a square hole on the current coach’s staff.

Yes, he isn't going to hire a run and shoot type OC. As you say promoting from within can't happen this time. You can win with his scheme. I know people find that hard to believe. I'd be OK with a Paul Chryst.

 

[dcfan1]

 

[hawkifann]

Yes, he isn't going to hire a run and shoot type OC. As you say promoting from within can't happen this time. You can win with his scheme. I know people find that hard to believe. I'd be OK with a Paul Chryst.

It’ll be interesting to see who the next OC is. A Chryst type is probably likely. Potentially someone from the NFL, even, given Kirk’s ties. it won’t be an offensive overhaul, but it needs to be someone from the outside who can put together a competent offensive framework that actually has a passing game and uses wide receivers.

 

[Kinnick.At.Night]

What are you talking about? All I was doing is countering singlets contention that the 6 years starting in 2017 were the best 6 years in Hawkeye football history. They weren't. The late '50s were.

Try actually reading before responding with nonsense.

Hmm....

Iowa football 2017-2022

51-23
69% winning percentage
4-1 bowl record
4 ranked seasons (#25, #15, #16, #23)

Iowa football 1954-1959

37-16-3
66% winning percentage
2-0 bowl record
3 ranked seasons (#3, #6, #2)

 

[gamedayron01]

Hmm....

Iowa football 2017-2022

51-23
69% winning percentage
4-1 bowl record
4 ranked seasons (#25, #15, #16, #23)

Iowa football 1954-1959

37-16-3
66% winning percentage
2-0 bowl record
3 ranked seasons (#3, #6, #2)

Just think if Iowa had a pulse of an offense.

Phil Parkers has bailed out Kirk over and over.

 

[JLDHAWK]

Hell no brother. And you? Why the frowny face tonight?

Just having some fun

 

[AEG82]

Hmm....

Iowa football 2017-2022

51-23
69% winning percentage
4-1 bowl record
4 ranked seasons (#25, #15, #16, #23)

Iowa football 1954-1959

37-16-3
66% winning percentage
2-0 bowl record
3 ranked seasons (#3, #6, #2)

I don't know. That #3, #6, and #2 look pretty, pretty good!

 

[Kinnick.At.Night]

I don't know. That #3, #6, and #2 look pretty, pretty good!

I'm not insinuating anything. Just bringing out the stats.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Hiring from within isn’t inherently good or bad, it’s the who and the why that make the difference. Nobody looks back with any tinge of regret that Phil Parker was hired as DC after Norm passed away. Hiring from within there did nothing but elevate the status, recruiting, national press and persona of Iowa football. Similarly, if there’s a promotion in store somewhere for Abdul Hodge, I don’t think it’s going to cause any issues with recruiting, national press or the persona of the program.

This one particular hire, though, really can’t be from within. It could be someone who was formerly here (coach or player), but it can’t be someone from within the leadership of this offense.

All that said, though, unless BG is going to do the interviews and make the choice herself (she won’t), then it’s going to be an OC that runs the kind of offense KF wants to run. That’s just how these things work. I’ve seen comps to Bowden and that’s what we don’t want any part of - AD picking the next coach and stuffing a round peg into a square hole on the current coach’s staff.

FYI, Norm retired, then Phil was hired. Norm retired after 2011 season, then passed away in 2014.

 

[HawkCharlotte]

I am actually very happy about this.

Why?

The reality is Kirk is going to make Iowa fire him so that he gets paid.

There's no way he resigns.

 

[Max_Rebo]

Hmm....

Iowa football 2017-2022

51-23
69% winning percentage
4-1 bowl record
4 ranked seasons (#25, #15, #16, #23)

Iowa football 1954-1959

37-16-3
66% winning percentage
2-0 bowl record
3 ranked seasons (#3, #6, #2)

It looks like you are counting ties as losses in your 1954-59 calculations. If anything, it seems like ties should count as .5 win, .5 loss. If so, the winning percentage for 1954-59 climbs to 68.75%. Alternatively, you could drop the ties out completely, which would give you a 69.81% winning percentage.

Either way, the 2017-22 winning percentage can be more accurately reflected as 68.92%.

Pretty much a statistical wash between the two.

 

[83Hawk]

Hmm....

Iowa football 2017-2022

51-23
69% winning percentage
4-1 bowl record
4 ranked seasons (#25, #15, #16, #23)

Iowa football 1954-1959

37-16-3
66% winning percentage
2-0 bowl record
3 ranked seasons (#3, #6, #2)

You forgot in the '50s those were 2 Rose Bowls.....(at a time when there were very few bowls), not lower tier bowls.

Now, let's change it to 1955-1960, which were the years I was referring to. Why you decided to drop 1960 and replace it with 1954, I don't know. Trying to manipulate the results maybe?

Iowa football 2017-2022

51-23
69% winning percentage
4-1 bowl record
4 ranked seasons (#25, #15, #16,
#23)
0 Big 10 titles
0 National Championships

Iowa football 1955-1960

40-13-4
70% winning percentage
2-0 bowl record (Rose Bowls!)
4 ranked seasons (#3, #6, #2, #3) 3 in the Top 3!!!!
3 Big 10 titles (1 shared)
1 National Championship

Hmm indeed! 1955-60 beats 2017-22 hands down. Thanks for helping confirm, although I did have to correct a few of your omissions.

Just bringing out the stats.

 

[BurgHawk87]

99% of the state outside Iowa City loves KF. The Maoist red brigades on message boards don’t reflect his real support.

But what about Rutgers or the last 10 years record? What do the numbers mean Mason?

 

[83Hawk]

It looks like you are counting ties as losses in your 1954-59 calculations. If anything, it seems like ties should count as .5 win, .5 loss. If so, the winning percentage for 1954-59 climbs to 68.75%. Alternatively, you could drop the ties out completely, which would give you a 69.81% winning percentage.

Either way, the 2017-22 winning percentage can be more accurately reflected as 68.92%.

Pretty much a statistical wash between the two.

First of all, the time period in question was 1955-1960. Kinnick dropped 1960 and added 1954 for some reason. When I calculated, I divided total wins by total games (which included ties). The winning percentage is 70%. A statistical wash when it comes to winning percentage, but the 6 year period between 1955-1960 is hands down better than 2017-2022.

That's not a slam on Kirk, or degrading his accomplishments....it's praise for Evashevski and what he did!

 

[Stoopsbrother]

Why?

The reality is Kirk is going to make Iowa fire him so that he gets paid.

There's no way he resigns.

Because he's shown the ability to change when his backs against the wall, even if that change isn't wholesale, it just might be enough for another couple runs at a BIG title/playoff berth & I think he's earned enough goodwill to be given the chance to do it!

 

[hawkifann]

FYI, Norm retired, then Phil was hired. Norm retired after 2011 season, then passed away in 2014.

That’s correct, I did lay it out wrong. He retired largely because of all his worsening health stuff, but you’re right.

 

[Max_Rebo]

First of all, the time period in question was 1955-1960. Kinnick dropped 1960 and added 1954 for some reason. When I calculated, I divided total wins by total games (which included ties). The winning percentage is 70%. A statistical wash when it comes to winning percentage, but the 6 year period between 1955-1960 is hands down better than 2017-2022.

That's not a slam on Kirk, or degrading his accomplishments....it's praise for Evashevski and what he did!

I think your argument is stronger if you use my logic.

For instance, instead of calculating winning percentages, try calculating losing percentages. You will see that the 2017-22 teams lost a significantly higher percentage of their games than the 1955-60 teams (or the 1954-59 teams).

I don’t have a dog in this fight about which era is better. I just think it’s interesting to consider how it is possible to manipulate statistics to fit a narrative.

 

[gojojo]

He's in it to become the coach with the most Big Ten wins. He's been nothing special; only projected to reach it just out of the extreme length of his tenure. I don't feel like he deserves that title. If the legendary Big Ten coaches in the past had more time, they could have won more games too.

Really, you think so? You believe if a coach stayed at Ohio State or Michigan as long as KF has been at Iowa, they'd have more wins?

That's a pretty radical and controversial take. 🤣

 

[MeetTheFerentzes]

He currently has his team's offense 6 spots above Iowa.

He's not my first choice, but still better than BF. And I'd sure like Wyoming's 24 ppg with no defensive scores compared to Iowa's 19.5 ppg including defensive scores.

 

[SolarHawk]

Probably should pick another team.

K guy

 

[kceasthawk]

FYI, Norm retired, then Phil was hired. Norm retired after 2011 season, then passed away in 2014.

Uh, NO thats not correct at all. Phils been on the staff for OVER 20 years. He was the DB's coach, hired by Kirk. He was named DC when Norm retired.......

 

[kceasthawk]

That’s correct, I did lay it out wrong. He retired largely because of all his worsening health stuff, but you’re right.

No thats NOT correct. Phil was hired by the captain in the first few years and was on staff as DB's coach for many years under Norm, (not related). He was named DC when Norm retired, but not hired then....

 

[hawkifann]

No thats NOT correct. Phil was hired by the captain in the first few years and was on staff as DB's coach for many years under Norm, (not related). He was named DC when Norm retired, but not hired then....

He was referring to being hired/promoted to DC. I had posted that Norm died and then Phil got the bump - he’s right, Norm retired in declining health first. Obviously PP has been there since the beginning.

 

[kceasthawk]

He was referring to being hired/promoted to DC. I had posted that Norm died and then Phil got the bump - he’s right, Norm retired in declining health first. Obviously PP has been there since the beginning.

Well, I have no idea what he meant to say, or was referring too. Just going off what he said.......

 

[BonzoFury]

perhaps he'll reconsider

 

[TRHawkeye145]