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DodgerHawki said:
POY vs non-starter is a non-factor in a NBA decision. It's highly likely that Kris Murray is selected higher in the NBA draft than Garza was (2nd round) as their skills are different. It doesn't change what Garza was. It's just the skills required to be a potential really good player in the NBA are not an exact match to what makes a player really good in college.

I hope that Kris comes back to Iowa, has a great year and vaults himself into the top half of the NBA draft in 2023. But if he decides differently I will follow his career and wish him well. He is already 3 years out of his hgih school class (1 year at prep school, 2 at Iowa).
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As usual, a well reasoned expression. ^^ FWIW, I see it very similarly.

Personally, I have no idea what this young man is going to do, or should do, in this circumstance. BUT...even realizing that the NBA "is looking" for certain skills that may not be exactly the same thing as what distinguishes college players, I can't fathom that someone that was not a starter for their college team being a high NBA draft pick.

That is not intended to be a knock on Kris, he very well could blossom in the next year or so where he too is considered a high draft pick. But knowing how very competitive it is to even be selected in the NBA draft, I just don't see it.

But, I am just a casual observer, not an expert by any means on this. Good luck to him, either way, but it seems to me like at least another year of college would be good for him.
 
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So, with this news, we can finally start putting together lineups with some degree of accuracy. I personally believe the roster is set, though I know some will continue to clamor for a portal pickup. I'm not opposed to that; I just think that ship has sailed and the staff has turned attention to '23 and '24 recruits.

My lineup predictions:
PG: Ulis/Bowen (order TBD)
SG: Perkins, Dix
SF: P-Mac, Sandfort
PF: Murray, C-Mac
C: Rebraca, Ogundele/Mulvey

I don't think I'm breaking any new ground with that lineup, but it's nice knowing all the pieces will be there.
 
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Old_wrestling_fan said:
As usual, a well reasoned expression. ^^ FWIW, I see it very similarly.

Personally, I have no idea what this young man is going to do, or should do, in this circumstance. BUT...even realizing that the NBA "is looking" for certain skills that may not be exactly the same thing as what distinguishes college players, I can't fathom that someone that was not a starter for their college team being a high NBA draft pick.

That is not intended to be a knock on Kris, he very well could blossom in the next year or so where he too is considered a high draft pick. But knowing how very competitive it is to even be selected in the NBA draft, I just don't see it.

But, I am just a casual observer, not an expert by any means on this. Good luck to him, either way, but it seems to me like at least another year of college would be good for him.
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Patrick Williams was drafted 4th by the Bulls two years ago and wasn't a starter
 
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Old_wrestling_fan said:
As usual, a well reasoned expression. ^^ FWIW, I see it very similarly.

Personally, I have no idea what this young man is going to do, or should do, in this circumstance. BUT...even realizing that the NBA "is looking" for certain skills that may not be exactly the same thing as what distinguishes college players, I can't fathom that someone that was not a starter for their college team being a high NBA draft pick.

That is not intended to be a knock on Kris, he very well could blossom in the next year or so where he too is considered a high draft pick. But knowing how very competitive it is to even be selected in the NBA draft, I just don't see it.

But, I am just a casual observer, not an expert by any means on this. Good luck to him, either way, but it seems to me like at least another year of college would be good for him.
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It's rare but it happened with Marvin Williams.
 
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Bro D said:
Patrick Williams was drafted 4th by the Bulls two years ago and wasn't a starter
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Oh yeah Pat Williams too. Hopefully The Paw is fully healthy next season. I'm not really a Bulls fan but I like watching them when they're all healthy.
 
Old_wrestling_fan said:
As usual, a well reasoned expression. ^^ FWIW, I see it very similarly.

Personally, I have no idea what this young man is going to do, or should do, in this circumstance. BUT...even realizing that the NBA "is looking" for certain skills that may not be exactly the same thing as what distinguishes college players, I can't fathom that someone that was not a starter for their college team being a high NBA draft pick.

That is not intended to be a knock on Kris, he very well could blossom in the next year or so where he too is considered a high draft pick. But knowing how very competitive it is to even be selected in the NBA draft, I just don't see it.

But, I am just a casual observer, not an expert by any means on this. Good luck to him, either way, but it seems to me like at least another year of college would be good for him.
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According to reports there was quite a bit of buzz about Kris from teams at the latter part of the first round, after his showing in Chicago. I'd bet teams saw enough of the twins working out together to see the possibility of Kris being very similar to Keegan down the road. Evidently since there were no guarantees he decide to return, but the word was out there.
 
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Old_wrestling_fan said:
As usual, a well reasoned expression. ^^ FWIW, I see it very similarly.

Personally, I have no idea what this young man is going to do, or should do, in this circumstance. BUT...even realizing that the NBA "is looking" for certain skills that may not be exactly the same thing as what distinguishes college players, I can't fathom that someone that was not a starter for their college team being a high NBA draft pick.

That is not intended to be a knock on Kris, he very well could blossom in the next year or so where he too is considered a high draft pick. But knowing how very competitive it is to even be selected in the NBA draft, I just don't see it.

But, I am just a casual observer, not an expert by any means on this. Good luck to him, either way, but it seems to me like at least another year of college would be good for him.
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Devin Booker played one season in college, averaged 21 minutes and 10 points per game (and did not start a game for Kentucky). He was the 13th pick in the 2015 NBA draft and is now one of the best players in the NBA (averaged 26.8 points per game on the team with the best regular season record this year).

Not saying Kris Murray has that in his future. But, it does happen.
 
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Nice to have this one put away.

Twin brother POY candidate and high NBA draft pick, some personal NBA buzz generated, some of the top B1G players moving on - Kris is going to be in the spotlight from the opening tip.

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HawkRugged17 said:
Devin Booker played one season in college, averaged 21 minutes and 10 points per game (and did not start a game for Kentucky). He was the 13th pick in the 2015 NBA draft and is now one of the best players in the NBA (averaged 26.8 points per game on the team with the best regular season record this year).

Not saying Kris Murray has that in his future. But, it does happen.
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Very good example. I'm sure the decision for Kris and the family was balancing the potential upside if he has a good year at Iowa vs getting into the league now, as he will be considered "old" for a player in the draft next year.

I'm interested to see what he can do at Iowa this year. Hope that people don't have unrealistic expectations for him. He's not the same player as his brother. But tremendous upside and all-around ability. Excited to see what he can do with 30 minutes a game.
 
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SCHawkFan said:
Great news. I would love to see the Hawks add one more player from the portal to fill out the team. There are a number of players withdrawing from the draft who have not announced their next college destination.
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Is Pete Nance still out there?
 
Bro D said:
Can't wait to watch him. I loved his aggressiveness. Think that was one area he had on his brother. His shot is also silky silky smooth
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Kris is coming back, not Keegan. ??? Keegan was certainly the more aggressive, probably because he had the previous years play to get comfortable......
 
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Will be the #1 B1G player on NBA draft boards heading into next season. Might be the only 1st rounder in conference? I think Howard's son and Hood-Schifino bring a lot of of skill to the table as newcomers, but they feel like multi-year guys to me.

Positionally, it'll be curious to see how changing positions affects his game. How much of his offensive efficiency can be attributed to being guarded by players who couldn't reasonably guard him?

I'm also curious to see how we'll mix Payton in with the starters. Like Payton as the main scoring option off the bench as I think he's our best pure offensive player. Gives us a go to guy for the second unit hockey line shift. But I think he'll prove too good to not play major minutes. The question is what position do you insert him in with the starters?

It'll be nice to have a top player again and hopefully the coaches figure out the best combinations around him (whatever those may be).
 
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kceasthawk said:
Kris is coming back, not Keegan. ??? Keegan was certainly the more aggressive, probably because he had the previous years play to get comfortable......
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Disagree. I think the ONLY "weakness" of keegan was that he wasnt more aggressive. He was always the best player on the court.. at times, wish he woula gone into FU mode and been more selfish. Kris was not shy when he was in, even in limited minutes.

Not a knock, just a personal observation. To each their own
 
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Bro D said:
Disagree. I think the ONLY "weakness" of keegan was that he wasnt more aggressive. He was always the best player on the court.. at times, wish he woula gone into FU mode and been more selfish. Kris was not shy when he was in, even in limited minutes.

Not a knock, just a personal observation. To each their own
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Keegan was aggressive. Very aggressive. FFS, he would take it coast-to-coast and dunk it on double teams. If that's not aggressive, I don't know what is.
 
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BBHawk said:
Keegan was aggressive. Very aggressive. FFS, he would take it coast-to-coast and dunk it on double teams. If that's not aggressive, I don't know what is.
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FFS was unnecessary because im not trying to be a devils advocate or contrary by any means. I'm more or less just talking about half court sets. He's the BEST iowa bball player I've ever seen... But there were times last year when i was yelling "DONT PASS". He's such a great team player, there were just times i wish he would have forced the issue. Not a knock by any means.

I felt kris wasnt shy and it wont surprise me if he attempts more shots per game than keegan.. assuming cmac doesnt take his minutes ;)
 
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DodgerHawki said:
POY vs non-starter is a non-factor in a NBA decision. It's highly likely that Kris Murray is selected higher in the NBA draft than Garza was (2nd round) as their skills are different. It doesn't change what Garza was. It's just the skills required to be a potential really good player in the NBA are not an exact match to what makes a player really good in college.

I hope that Kris comes back to Iowa, has a great year and vaults himself into the top half of the NBA draft in 2023. But if he decides differently I will follow his career and wish him well. He is already 3 years out of his hgih school class (1 year at prep school, 2 at Iowa).
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Completely agree—my comment was in response to whether there was a press conference. Thrilled to have Kris back!
 
SCHawkFan said:
I guess withdrawing from the draft does not keep a player from going the G-League route. I don't think this is what Kris will do, but it is possible.
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IF he was gonna do that, what upside would there be for not trying to get drafted?

I don't buy that
 
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nbanflfactory said:
IF he was gonna do that, what upside would there be for not trying to get drafted?

I don't buy that
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Obviously this did not happen with Kris. But for some the upside is spend a year developing in the G-League before entering the draft. We have seen that with a number of players, usually high school to professional basketball but college kids can do it as well.
 
Old_wrestling_fan said:
As usual, a well reasoned expression. ^^ FWIW, I see it very similarly.

Personally, I have no idea what this young man is going to do, or should do, in this circumstance. BUT...even realizing that the NBA "is looking" for certain skills that may not be exactly the same thing as what distinguishes college players, I can't fathom that someone that was not a starter for their college team being a high NBA draft pick.

That is not intended to be a knock on Kris, he very well could blossom in the next year or so where he too is considered a high draft pick. But knowing how very competitive it is to even be selected in the NBA draft, I just don't see it.

But, I am just a casual observer, not an expert by any means on this. Good luck to him, either way, but it seems to me like at least another year of college would be good for him.
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He was clearly the second best player on the team.
 
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BBHawk said:
He's long, too. Her blocked several shots last year that just shocked me that he was able to get to them. A better defender than I expected, and he got better as the year went along.
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Yes. And he rebounded surprisingly well, too. He is more than capable of playing the 2-4 positions, very versatile. I hope to see him on the floor with both Kris and Patrick, they are all legitimate 3 point threats and can handle the ball.
 
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WadeLookingbill said:
Bowen/Ulis
Perkins/Connor Mc
PMac/Sandfort
Kris Murray
Rebraca/Mulvey/Josh O

5th place Big Ten, let's Dance.
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I think the starting five are Ulis, Perkins, PMac,
Murray and Rebraca. C. Mac, Bowen, Sanford, Mulvey and Josh O will get minutes.
I think Dix may play by mid season but he has a long road back. Wish nothing but good things for Josh long term.
 
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