Kris Murray
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Many thanks to Murray Family for making Iowa B-ball fun to watch.
I think McC deserves a TON of praise for bringing Iowa back to relevance.
I agree with your starting 5 initially, but I think outside shooting is going to play into who gets minutes. With Rebraca/Mulvey/Josh playing the center position, that eliminates one outside shooter. We need at least 3 guys on the court that can shoot from the outside consistently. Depending on who's in that may be a challenge. Until I see otherwise I don't consider Ulis as an outside shooter. Perkins is a maybe. In the starting 5 the only sure outside shooters are Kris and PMac. That's scary to me. I'm hoping Bowen and Dix can step up. Maybe Kingsbury can help out.
That would be the best lineup in most situations.
Hopefully there's much more intentionality in the offense next year when playing small.
My starting five would definitely be Ulis/Bowen, Perkins, Sandfort, PMac and Kris
My feeling is that Kris is not coming back to play center. He'll be filling the sample role that Keagan did last year. Unless something has changed from last year there no way PMac can guard a 4, he will get eaten alive or he'll foul out.
In the recent podcast, Kenyon talked about Kris being a strong distributor of the ball, suggesting that he could record 7 or 8 assists a game. He also reminded listeners that Kris played point guard growing up.
So ... is it absurd to think Kris could log minutes at PG in the upcoming season? It would be a way to get Murray, Perkins, Sandfort, and P-Mac all on the floor at the same time, with none of them having to play center. (Perkins at PG would be another option.)
So ... is it absurd to think Kris could log minutes at PG in the upcoming season? It would be a way to get Murray, Perkins, Sandfort, and P-Mac all on the floor at the same time, with none of them having to play center. (Perkins at PG would be another option.)
I don't really look at it as he'd be playing center but more that I subscribe to positionless basketball.. but I do understand what you're saying. Would be a fun group to watch run up and down the court though!
I think those four will be on the floor in crunchtime this season. The fifth can be a big or another guard, take it case by case.
I like this lineup but I really think it'll be better with Filip, Riley and Josh O at the 5 this year depending on matchups. Riley has an opportunity to gain alot of experience this year. Keegan's minutes presumably will go to Kris, so Kris's 18 minutes per game will probably end up with either Josh or Riley. If Josh isn't able to go from 5 mpg > 15 mpg, Riley will have to. And of Kris, Filip or PMac have foul trouble, Josh and Riley will be needed. CMac helps but he can't do it all, especially against taller teams.
You're right that from our offense standpoint it is positionless but it does impact who's guarding Kris and who Kris has to guard. He's going to want to showcase his play at the 3 or the 4. But since PMac is at the 3, the 4 will be his. I really don't think we'll see PMac at the 4 because Fran won't put him in a position to fail. One of topics of conversation around Kris last year was his fouling. I believe his fouling was because he was playing out of position. We're going to need him to play keagan minutes and so we have to protect him from fouls. I don't think we can afford to play him at center. Last year we had Kris to come in if Keagan got into foul trouble, next year there is no one to fill that role.
Hopefully Mulvey steps it up this year. Agree with @fivecardstud14 that perkins, sandfort, pmac and kris will be playing in crunch time tho regardless (reb, mulvey, jo or ulis/Bowen)
Is it basketball season yet?
id hope kenyon would b1tch slap him if he turned down his college years and education to play in g league
The good thing is that that Kofi is gone so there are not that many true centers returning in the Big.
I'm looking forward to watching Mulvey this year. He reminds me of Ryan Kriener, only taller and more athletic. If he continues getting stronger through the summer, I think we will be just fine at the center spot. Kris should have no problems staying at the 4.
Reminds me a lot of a young David Robinson, honestly
Patrick really can't defend any position but in that lineup Sandfort probably defends the 4.
Theres switching on every possession anyway so not real important who you start on.
If I was Kris I would love to have a centers guarding me.
Let's be honest.. we don't really play defense anyway so its moot. Points Points Points!
Yep. Reason #4206969A why im all about a small lineup
Because if you do it right the opponent can't keep a center on the floor.
Twoards the end of last year Iowa was scratching the surface of modern basketball but it wasn't dialed in.
You may be my new favorite poster. When you go small, people say "but how can we match up with them?" That shouldnt be the question.. it should be the other way around
Exactly.
But you have to be intentional about forcing them to play defense every possession and that's where Iowa wasn't focused enough.
Yup. Gotta rely on our fantastic press. If only we werent so terrible at rotating during zones. When we went on stretches last year of actual legit D, it was because we were relentless on rotating (and help perimeter D). Joe T is gonna be missed severely on those aspects (perkins also fantastic).. just gotta hope Ulis/Bowen can do that on some level.
Such a fine line between fantastic and awful zone D. Just gimme top 5 offensive scoring efficiency.. and at soooome point the D has to catch up (sounds eerily similar to fb opposite)
It looks like Hawk fans are setting up unrealistic expectations for Kris. He’ll be good, but he’ll also be the focus of all defenders and will have less help around him than Keegan did. To pencil him in as a POY candidate is very unfair. I expect a big jump in his game, but rein in criticism if he falls short of the hype that this board is expecting.
I tend to subtract 1" from Hawkeye "official" heights.
Curious how you landed on him having less help than Keegan. Losing JBo certainly hurts offensively and Joe T certainly hurts defensively. But other than that we return everybody else and hopefully all of those players continue to improve. We're one of the most experienced teams in the Big Ten next year.
Your other statements I somewhat agree with. I don't think the expectation for next year should just automatically pencil Kris in as a pre-season NPOTY candidate, but I think first-team all-B1G is realistic with what's returning (only 3/15 of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd team conference players are returning). Keegan was also the focal point of defenses all year and Fran found ways to get him open looks and iso sets. I think Kris is ready for spotlight and will be just fine being the center of attention. Kenyon also recently mentioned how much of a better passer Kris is compared to Keegan so scoring may be more balanced between Kris, Patrick, Tony, etc. if defenses focus too much on stopping Kris.
I agree that time will tell. But I really liked what we saw down the stretch last year from Tony Perkins. We can talk about the effect of moving Bohannon back to the point, but Perkins did a lot of ball-handling, distributing, and breaking down the defense. Over the last 10 games, he averaged 10.8 points, 4 rebounds and 2.7 assists per game.
I think that we could see a fair amount of Perkins operating as the point so as to get our most talented scorers (Perkins, Sandfort, Kris, and PMac) on the floor at the same time.
Certainly we will miss, in Keegan and Jordan, players who attempted roughly 400 3 pointers last year and made over 150 of those. But I think that there are enough shooters on the roster to stretch the floor. Kris helps stretch defenses all by himself by being able to shoot over the top of defenders at the arc.
I think that we could see a fair amount of Perkins operating as the point so as to get our most talented scorers (Perkins, Sandfort, Kris, and PMac) on the floor at the same time.
Certainly we will miss, in Keegan and Jordan, players who attempted roughly 400 3 pointers last year and made over 150 of those. But I think that there are enough shooters on the roster to stretch the floor. Kris helps stretch defenses all by himself by being able to shoot over the top of defenders at the arc.
The guys taking almost all of the outside shots range from 38.7% (Kris) to 32.1 (Tony). Patrick at 33% and Payton at 36.6% are pretty solid. I think each has their best basketball before them.
