Last Recruit At Iowa with Great Ball Handling Skills.
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While i am completely comfortable with joe t. I kind of look at it like: who could break the press by themselves.
Otherwise
Dean Oliver
Andre W (one of my favorites ever)
Otherwise
Dean Oliver
Andre W (one of my favorites ever)
Well those are certainly the two best since our last final four team. Dean Oliver maybe. Gessel probably best of Fran’s. I remember Kevin Smith and Brian Garner both had ball handling skills, but nothing else. Joe T kinda reminds me of Smith, in that he looks the part, but doesn’t know where the hell he’s going usually.
Joe has great skills. He is only just learning how to play under control.
Before him: Bryce Cartwright.
Before him: Bryce Cartwright.
I might agree with you if his turnover numbers were terrible. He does have some but the numbers can lie too. Connor had a great assist to turnover ratio but no one had to guard him close so his ability to pass was a lot easier.
Good call on Cartwright. Almost forgot about him.
To say BJ you'd have to think Woodridge wasn't a great ballhandler which is obviously silly.
So no its not BJ.
The correct answer is Dean Oliver.
Last guy Iowa had who never had to pass to break a press.
Ulis is the best ballhandler on this team.
Ulis is not a better ball handler than joe. When’s the last time joes defender picked his pocket? Idk if i can remember one. His turnovers are bc of bad passes not bc of poor ball handling.
if the criteria is breaking the press on their own it’s joe every day of the week. Shoot even when ulis is pressured bringing it up 1v1 he has to work at times.
Andre was all about his right hand and also why he never made it in the NBA.
Did you watch him beat the press time & time again vs Kentucky? Almost beat them on his own.
I'd have to double check, pretty sure 1st half against PU. If not the game before that.
If Joe was a great ballhandler he'd be able to get to the basket far more frequently with his speed and quickness.
Your confusing speed with ballhandling.
Hes always right on the cusp of losing the ball because he pounds it so hard its up by his shoulders half the time.
Joe's an average ballhandler for a pg.
Id still much rather see him and Ulis play together over jbo any day though.
Because he could get anywhere he wanted to with that hand.
Joe could get to the rim pretty much at will if he wanted…He’s just 6’ and not big enough to finish consistently and he knows that. Why do you think his midrange jumper is so easy for him to get? Oh and i think the turnover against PU ur remembering was ulis getting picked by their 5man 😆
Fran's teams have never been able to handle a guard to goes to the rim. His bigs do not move to an open spot, they just stand there and let their defender help on the driver. It happened to Mike G, it happens to Joe T. Woodbury, Cook, etc. just stand and watch. Combine that with Fran's obsession with running his motion, Fran never clears out a side of the floor for a player to have space to go one on one.
Can you imagine if Iowa ever ran the Beilein high screen and roll?
Ulis is a fine ball handler, IMHO. He got picked by a big he was not expecting to go for the ball. Like him handling the ball more than Joe T right now. Joe appears to have a better shot but he shoots it so infrequently, hard to tell. Ulis seems very tentative shooting the ball, just needs more experience which means less JBO
Coming from the guy that said joe isn’t as quick as ulis 🤣
So why exactly do you want ulis handling the ball more?
joe 3.8a 1.6to in 20mpg
ulis 2.7a 1to 16.2mpg
Joe is the better player right now hands down. He does more on the defensive end and creates more on offense.
And yes i agree, more ulis/perkins/sandfort less jbo.
All the older players mentioned were great at the time.
Difficult for me to nominate one as the game has changed so much over the years.
Hand checking and pushing off with the forearm was a no no and players now move for contact while shooting for the
foul shot. I agree with all names mentioned but they might not have done so well now days.
Difficult for me to nominate one as the game has changed so much over the years.
Hand checking and pushing off with the forearm was a no no and players now move for contact while shooting for the
foul shot. I agree with all names mentioned but they might not have done so well now days.
I'm with you. I think Joe is the best PG we've got right now and it's not really close.
Don't get me wrong, I loved Andre but he did have his limitations due to he lacked the ability to go left which kept him from playing in the NBA. He was dominant his senior year and should have been BT POY over Bobby Jackson who shouldn't even have been eligible.
I think its pretty close between the 2.
The question in this thread was ballhandler not whos the best pg.
I think Ulis is a slightly better ballhandler but Joe is a more effective player mostly because Ulis can't knock down a shot.
It shouldn't even be an issue because both should be playing instead of Jbo and his swagger attitude floor presence.
I think everything is close between them except for shooting. Ulis has been really terrible shooting the ball in conference play. He has the worst shooting percentage on the team.
I think we've seen what Joe brings and it's mostly positive. Ulis is a bit of an unknown and I think given more time, he's going to be good
And she wouldnt make it past half court against Austin Ash
Mike Gesell, until he dribbled into a trap.
I really like Joe T. he's a fantastic dribbler, but in the 3 years he's been here he just can't slow down when the game dictates is. I hate to say it, but his speed kind of gets ahead of the 4 other players resulting in a dysfunctional offense. Probably why he's not on the floor as much as he should be.
And even if you do not want to go all the way to saying 'out of control' I might call it just a lot of dribbling with no positive effect. JBo did at point guard and so do a lot of others where they dribble, reverse dribble, do a little shake and bake, yet they havent got past their guy nor deformed the defense but have only waste about 10 seconds.
Need a point guard who can quickly get by a defender almost every time and can threaten the hoop in order to score or pass for easy buckets.
Classic LMAO
Nobody on this list comes close to what Lester was able to do at the point guard position. He was an absolute magician with the ball and when he did that little stutter and go no one could stick with him. Magic Johnson called him the best player he ever faced in college.
Long F’n time! In the same vein, what about the last time we had ANYONE, who could take their defender off the dribble to create and score?!?!?!! Every year, several of our scholarship players would struggle finding minutes for a MAC team. No different this year, and no different next.
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