Last Stanford TD

[JeebsOak]

First off let me apologize for our bands action, they do not represent our university values and are basically condemned as being only a glorified club on campus. Besides that, their script for the rose bowl which was sent to Iowa and Stanford officials and approved was tame but the way they presented it was classless.. Take a look at in on Twitter if you'd like...

Now to the game, why the big uproar on the throw by Hogan with two minutes left? I believ Shaw felt the onside was a way of saying you had a chance. If it was a run for touchdown would it have been better?

 

[whatsup13579er]

First off let me apologize for our bands action, they do not represent our university values and are basically condemned as being only a glorified club on campus. Besides that, their script for the rose bowl which was sent to Iowa and Stanford officials and approved was tame but the way they presented it was classless.. Take a look at in on Twitter if you'd like...

Now to the game, why the big uproar on the throw by Hogan with two minutes left? I believ Shaw felt the onside was a way of saying you had a chance. If it was a run for touchdown would it have been better?

Throwing, and throwing deep, with under 2 minutes left up 22 points is pretty much the football equivalent of what the Stanford 'band' did. All you need to do at that point is get one 1st down and the game is over. Stanford averaged over 6 yards per rush. Chances are they could easily have run out the clock. Classless move by Shaw. I went into the game with a ton of respect for Stanford and they were probably my favorite Pac12 team. Between the band and your coach's decision late in a blowout, I lost a lot of respect for Stanford. Some of the Stanford fans around us were embarrassed by the play call and apologized to us. The decision to throw deep was a blatant attempt to embarrass Iowa. A rushing TD doesn't rub salt in an open wound. Running the ball means you're just trying to run out the clock and end the game, not run up the score.

Stanford had everything go right and whooped Iowa in pretty much every aspect, but there is a right way to win and throwing deep late in a blowout is not it.

I found it comical that the Stanford fans decided to Booo when Iowa used its timeouts on the final drive after Shaw decided to throw bombs. So it's okay for Stanford to run it up late but not okay for Iowa to try to make a late score? FWIW if Stanford would have tried to run out the clock, failed, and Iowa had another chance with under a minute left, I don't think KF burns his TOs at the end.

 

[JeebsOak]

Exactly..if you're trying to score why wouldn't Stanford? That logic makes no sense.

 

[DBQ Hawk]

If everyone at Stanford is so appalled by the behavior of their band at a prestigious event like the Rose Bowl, why don't they actually do something about it instead of just perpetually apologize for it? If they lose financial support and game access, they're done. WHY hasn't that yet been done? Or is all this apologizing just lip-service? Why not just stop supporting them and start a real band with a real director, like hundreds of universities have? Even small universities, like Notre Dame and Duke and Northwestern, have real marching bands.

As to your second point, when it's 2 minutes left and you're ahead by 3 touchdowns and you can almost run out the clock on three running plays, a class team does just that. They don't call pass plays, and they especially don't call "home run" pass plays.

If Stanford wants to join other low-class teams that do these sorts of things, all I can say is: that's your business, go ahead, it's not against the law or anything. But your ability to say you are a class program that doesn't rub it in or do those sorts of things kind of took a hit after that play, IMO.

And yes, it looks better if you get a 50 yard TD run on a fullback dive rather than on a 50 yard home-run pass play with 2 minutes left. But as I say: do what you want, if you don't care how people view your program. You won, we lost, have at it, why not rub it in a little with 2 minutes left?

 

[moral_victory]

Throwing, and throwing deep, with under 2 minutes left up 22 points is pretty much the football equivalent of what the Stanford 'band' did. All you need to do at that point is get one 1st down and the game is over. Stanford averaged over 6 yards per rush. Chances are they could easily have run out the clock. Classless move by Shaw. I went into the game with a ton of respect for Stanford and they were probably my favorite Pac12 team. Between the band and your coach's decision late in a blowout, I lost a lot of respect for Stanford. Some of the Stanford fans around us were embarrassed by the play call and apologized to us. The decision to throw deep was a blatant attempt to embarrass Iowa. A rushing TD doesn't rub salt in an open wound. Running the ball means you're just trying to run out the clock and end the game, not run up the score.

Stanford had everything go right and whooped Iowa in pretty much every aspect, but there is a right way to win and throwing deep late in a blowout is not it.

I found it comical that the Stanford fans decided to Booo when Iowa used its timeouts on the final drive after Shaw decided to throw bombs. So it's okay for Stanford to run it up late but not okay for Iowa to try to make a late score? FWIW if Stanford would have tried to run out the clock, failed, and Iowa had another chance with under a minute left, I don't think KF burns his TOs at the end.

You had to know the pass was coming after the onside attempt.

 

[DBQ Hawk]

Exactly..if you're trying to score why wouldn't Stanford? That logic makes no sense.

It's the illogic nature of NOT scoring when the other team is still trying to score that defines good sportsmanship. It's that very aspect of it that gives it meaning. If it was logical, it wouldn't have the same significance. It's also a way of stating: "I could be on the other end of this score someday, so I'm not going to rub your noses in it, knowing that, if the score were indeed reversed, I'd like to think you wouldn't rub it in mine, either."

It's a courtesy and respect thing--but of course, we all know that there's less courtesy and respect in the world these days, anyway, so maybe my opinion as a traditionalist is no longer in fashion.

 

[whatsup13579er]

Exactly..if you're trying to score why wouldn't Stanford? That logic makes no sense.

Well, it's a higher risk play to throw the ball than trying to run out the clock. Stanford didn't need more points.

 

[whatsup13579er]

You had to know the pass was coming after the onside attempt.

Most of the games I watch after a failed onside attempt end in the other team running the victory formation, not throwing deep. I guess that is the way Stanford wants to represent itself by running out a classless band and having a coach that doesn't value sportsmanship. I wouldn't trade a Rose Bowl victory if Iowa had to take on those values.

Congrats on the win. It's too bad that people are talking about the antics of the stupid band or the coach running up the score and not one of the more dominant Rose Bowl victories in quite a while.

 

[JeebsOak]

No one is whining about those things besides you guys and maybe kal fans.

 

[Cardinal_2001]

David Shaw didn't call a pass play and said so when asked during the post game. Hogan auibled to it after reading the defense.

 

[whatsup13579er]

No one is whining about those things besides you guys and maybe kal fans.

Not whining about anything. You brought it up and asked the question. Just tried to answer it for you. Stanford decided that is the kind of band they want to represent their university and their coach decided he wanted to run up the score. The rest of the country perceives those things differently than you do. I don't want my alma mater to have that reputation and I'm glad they don't.

Again, congrats on the win. Stanford was firing on all cylanders. I wish Iowa would've shown up in the first half.

 

[whatsup13579er]

David Shaw didn't call a pass play and said so when asked during the post game. Hogan auibled to it after reading the defense.

Your coach should communicate to his Senior QB what they are trying to accomplish on offense up 3 scores with under 2 minutes left in the game.

 

[hawkisak]

Who cares? Iowa was completely dominated and Stanford can tell everyone how great they are. After all, Stanford has a much greater collection of human beings and the Iowans are far inferior to their elitist world....at least that is how the halftime show came off.

 

[colscap]

Iowa was still blitzing the qb and trying to get hits on him. So he decided to audible and go deep. Stop playing the victims. You are a good program and a respected one and are heading in the right direction with an amazing backfield. You should be excited for next year.

 

[And1Hawk]

Iowa was still blitzing the qb and trying to get hits on him. So he decided to audible and go deep. Stop playing the victims. You are a good program and a respected one and are heading in the right direction with an amazing backfield. You should be excited for next year.

We are not a blitzing team so nice try. It's up to us to stop you which we did not much of the game so I have no problem with it.

What comes around goes around as is the old saying. There will be a time down the road where things are not looking bright and we'll enjoy seeing when it goes the other way.

 

[colscap]

We are not a blitzing team so nice try. It's up to us to stop you which we did not much of the game so I have no problem with it.

What comes around goes around as is the old saying. There will be a time down the road where things are not looking bright and we'll enjoy seeing when it goes the other way.

No kidding. Unlike other schools we lose more 4 and 5 star commits because admissions didn't think they took enough AP classes as a senior in high school. When that time comes USC will go back to running up the score on us. Luckily we seem to always get great coaches that allows us to have success for modest stretches.

 

[hawkcub]

I don't get the mentality that going for the onside kick down 22 equals throwing a bomb with your first string QB with around 2 minutes to play. The onside is a last gasp. Stanford got the ball so game over. Just rubbing a little salt in the wound at that point.

As far as the band goes. Stanfords lip service of how embarrassing the band is just that. Don't allow them on the field if the student organization doesn't represent Stanford. Think about this Iowa's beer band was forced to disband on someone hearing a word wrong. Even though not officially part of the HMB.

 

[anon_4v8fwjfqmw9bi]

We are not a blitzing team so nice try. It's up to us to stop you which we did not much of the game so I have no problem with it.

What comes around goes around as is the old saying. There will be a time down the road where things are not looking bright and we'll enjoy seeing when it goes the other way.

King was blitzing on that play, that's why Lomax was left covering the receiver one-on-one. King telegraphed the blitz pre-snap, so Hogan audibled into the play.

It was Iowa's job to stop the play, not whine about the play call.

 

[DBQ Hawk]

King was blitzing on that play, that's why Lomax was left covering the receiver one-on-one. King telegraphed the blitz pre-snap, so Hogan audibled into the play.

It was Iowa's job to stop the play, not whine about the play call.

King wouldn't have had to blitz if Stanford wasn't still throwing the ball up 3 TD's with 2 minutes left. Don't forget that the play before was a screen pass to McCaffrey that went for about 12 yards (IIRC). If Stanford does the classy thing and runs out the clock, no blitzing would have occurred. As people are saying, it all depends on what kind of program you want to have: the kind that throws long bombs with 2 minutes left up 3 TD's, or the kind that runs out the clock to let your opponent save a little face. I know what kind of program KF runs, I'll tell you that.

 

[anon_4v8fwjfqmw9bi]

King wouldn't have had to blitz if Stanford wasn't still throwing the ball up 3 TD's with 2 minutes left. Don't forget that the play before was a screen pass to McCaffrey that went for about 12 yards (IIRC). If Stanford does the classy thing and runs out the clock, no blitzing would have occurred. As people are saying, it all depends on what kind of program you want to have: the kind that throws long bombs with 2 minutes left up 3 TD's, or the kind that runs out the clock to let your opponent save a little face. I know what kind of program KF runs, I'll tell you that.

Yes, I agree with all that; I was just pointing out that it was a blitz and that's in part why the play worked -- it was a mismatch with Lomax trying to cover the receiver.

Also, this rationalization that Hogan called the audible because he didn't want to end his career with an interception is BS, because, as you point out, he completed the swing pass to McCaffrey on the play before. I assume that pass was to get McCaffrey some sort of record, as he went out of the game after that play.

 

[anon_4v8fwjfqmw9bi]

King wouldn't have had to blitz if Stanford wasn't still throwing the ball up 3 TD's with 2 minutes left. Don't forget that the play before was a screen pass to McCaffrey that went for about 12 yards (IIRC). If Stanford does the classy thing and runs out the clock, no blitzing would have occurred. As people are saying, it all depends on what kind of program you want to have: the kind that throws long bombs with 2 minutes left up 3 TD's, or the kind that runs out the clock to let your opponent save a little face. I know what kind of program KF runs, I'll tell you that.

Yes, I agree with all that; I was just pointing out that it was a blitz and that's in part why the play worked -- it was a mismatch with Lomax trying to cover the receiver.

Also, this rationalization that Hogan called the audible because he didn't want to end his career with an interception is BS, because, as you point out, he completed the swing pass to McCaffrey on the play before. I assume that pass was to get McCaffrey some sort of record, as he went out of the game after that play.

 

[spiderland]

No kidding. Unlike other schools we lose more 4 and 5 star commits because admissions didn't think they took enough AP classes as a senior in high school. When that time comes USC will go back to running up the score on us. Luckily we seem to always get great coaches that allows us to have success for modest stretches.

I will actually enjoy watching the next time USC runs the score up on Stanford.

I didn't think that was possible.

So congrats, not only for your complete domination on both sides of the ball Friday, but for achieving the impossible as well...

 

[83Hawk]

People can make all kinds of excuses justifying Stanford's decision to run up the score by throwing a bomb at the end of the game.......it is still classless and poor sportsmanship. I would be embarrassed if Iowa did this, but that's just me.

Enjoy the win, Stanford fans. You earned it.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

I honestly don't care. In fact, it's more demeaning to me softball it. Maybe the extra embarrassment will motivate our secondary to be better next year. Congrats, Jeebs. You had the best player in the country and deployed him beautifully.

 

[CBCrusader1994]

I don't get the mentality that going for the onside kick down 22 equals throwing a bomb with your first string QB with around 2 minutes to play. The onside is a last gasp. Stanford got the ball so game over. Just rubbing a little salt in the wound at that point.

As far as the band goes. Stanfords lip service of how embarrassing the band is just that. Don't allow them on the field if the student organization doesn't represent Stanford. Think about this Iowa's beer band was forced to disband on someone hearing a word wrong. Even though not officially part of the HMB.

All about respect. Shaw was more than kind , starting in the 2nd quarter , punting on two 4th and very short , when everyone knew he could have just given to #5 for another TD or just threw for one ... he could have done whatever he wanted, game was over after one quarter.
Shaw was OK with winning 38-16 , and KF should have been happy with losing 38-16 ( very happy ) but tried to make it 38-24 or so ... big mistake. Shaw did the right thing.
Remember Don James wasn't real thrilled when Fry pulled that save face onside kick crap on him , after he emptied the benches in the 3rd quarter of the 91 Rose, when the Huskies were up 48-10 after the third quarter. Mentioning something about 'professional courtesy'.
Bottomline , if you are suppose to be the 5th ranked team in the country, in a major bowl game and are complaining about that other coach running up the score ... you didn't deserve to be there , obviously.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

All about respect. Shaw was more than kind , starting in the 2nd quarter , punting on two 4th and very short , when everyone knew he could have just given to #5 for another TD or just threw for one ... he could have done whatever he wanted, game was over after one quarter.
Shaw was OK with winning 38-16 , and KF should have been happy with losing 38-16 ( very happy ) but tried to make it 38-24 or so ... big mistake. Shaw did the right thing.
Remember Don James wasn't real thrilled when Fry pulled that save face onside kick crap on him , after he emptied the benches in the 3rd quarter of the 91 Rose, when the Huskies were up 48-10 after the third quarter. Mentioning something about 'professional courtesy'.
Bottomline , if you are suppose to be the 5th ranked team in the country, in a major bowl game and are complaining about that other coach running up the score ... you didn't deserve to be there , obviously.

While I agree with the sentiment, I have to correct your history: the score was 39-14 after the 3rd in 1991 and the Hawks made a game of it in the 4th (had the score to just over a TD lead for the Huskies), before Brunell iced it with a TD. Washington played brilliant prevent defense on our last TD drive and we used all of our clock (I remember the helplessness of watching this as a 10 year old, knowing we'd score but have no time for another). But I'm not complaining about the Stanford TD. I think complaints are just sour grapes.

 

[hknation]

IMHO...this thread is nothing more than a volley of personal rationales to justify the play or not to run such a play. I would speculate that any team on the receiving end of such a play would perceive it as unsportmans like or intended to pile on. Did the starting QB throw it?

There are coaches/teams that would do it and there are other teams that would take a knee, running out the clock. The final score has no bearing on anything, it is win or lose time of year.

Personally, I prefer the knee; as I'm positive KF would have done if the ending were reversed.

 

[j0nnyhb_Prime]

Shaw didn't call it, but the QB audibled to it when he saw the corner blitz ... I wasn't happy to see that but I understand why it happened, not a big deal IMO.

I recall CJ ran a bootleg for a late TD one time (KF didn't like it), so these things happen with players.

 

[Rustys Dad]

I don't have a problem with throwing it at the end. It's a game. Wanna keep them out of the end zone? Stop 'em!

 

[Sett1997]

You had to know the pass was coming after the onside attempt.

Obviously you haven't seen Iowa play before. Our coaching staff gets constantly burned on plays everyone sees, coming but them. Lol

 

[treeboy1]

I would be embarrassed if Iowa did this, but that's just me.

I would be embarrassed if my coach opted to keep the starters in the whole game instead of rewarding some back-ups and walk-ons for an entire season of effort, just so he could make the score somewhat more "respectable."

 

[Hans81]

I would be embarrassed to be associated with Stanford in any way.

 

[CAhawki]

This is the equvilant of Iowa fans being pissed about clone fans storming the court. That last TD was the nail in the coffin after the onside attempt. Fans needs to be more pissed and offended at the calibur of play and not so concerned with the plays and antics of opposing program/team.

 

[CAhawki]

I would be embarrassed to be associated with Stanford in any way.

Lol... This is good

 

[83Hawk]

I would be embarrassed if my coach opted to keep the starters in the whole game instead of rewarding some back-ups and walk-ons for an entire season of effort, just so he could make the score somewhat more "respectable."

You mean like McCaffery and Hogan still playing those last few minutes?

Suppose McCaffery suffered a career ending injury on that swing pass? Oh that's right.....you don't care if a player gets hurt...you already said it wouldn't bother you if Hogan had been hurt.

Classless.

 

[JeebsOak]

You'd be embarrassed to have an offensive line that can actually pick up a blitz allowing the QB to throw a strike to a receiver who can actually create separation...maybe that's the difference between a flash in the pan team and a growing powerhouse in college football.

This is major football, don't like it, stop it.

 

[HawkGem11]

First off let me apologize for our bands action, they do not represent our university values and are basically condemned as being only a glorified club on campus. Besides that, their script for the rose bowl which was sent to Iowa and Stanford officials and approved was tame but the way they presented it was classless.. Take a look at in on Twitter if you'd like...

Now to the game, why the big uproar on the throw by Hogan with two minutes left? I believ Shaw felt the onside was a way of saying you had a chance. If it was a run for touchdown would it have been better?

Don't be stupid and ask why the big uproar, you clowns were up 22 points with 2 min left the GAME was over, all you were doing was RUNNING up the score END OF STORY...you coming here and posting this garbage tells me all i need to know about how CLASSY Stanford really is...are you for real?

 

[HawkGem11]

Iowa was still blitzing the qb and trying to get hits on him. So he decided to audible and go deep. Stop playing the victims. You are a good program and a respected one and are heading in the right direction with an amazing backfield. You should be excited for next year.

dont be stupid they were not trying to get hits on him....good lord you stanford fans are a clueless bunch

 

[83Hawk]

Don't be stupid and ask why the big uproar, you clowns were up 22 points with 2 min left the GAME was over, all you were doing was RUNNING up the score END OF STORY...you coming here and posting this garbage tells me all i need to know about how CLASSY Stanford really is...are you for real?

Another classy Stanford fan...treeboy1...doesn't even care if their players get injured....padding stats and running up the score is what's important.

 

[HawkGem11]

All about respect. Shaw was more than kind , starting in the 2nd quarter , punting on two 4th and very short , when everyone knew he could have just given to #5 for another TD or just threw for one ... he could have done whatever he wanted, game was over after one quarter.
Shaw was OK with winning 38-16 , and KF should have been happy with losing 38-16 ( very happy ) but tried to make it 38-24 or so ... big mistake. Shaw did the right thing.
Remember Don James wasn't real thrilled when Fry pulled that save face onside kick crap on him , after he emptied the benches in the 3rd quarter of the 91 Rose, when the Huskies were up 48-10 after the third quarter. Mentioning something about 'professional courtesy'.
Bottomline , if you are suppose to be the 5th ranked team in the country, in a major bowl game and are complaining about that other coach running up the score ... you didn't deserve to be there , obviously.

you can't be for real with this garbage, so one team goes for onside kick so it is ok to run up the score, yet NOBODY ELSE ever does it, shows just how CLASSLESS Stanford is!