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LB Justin Jinning moving on

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Jinning posted on Instagram today that he is leaving the Iowa football program.


galacticdweller It's been a year of many ups and downs, and I'm more than grateful for the opportunity I was blessed with to become a Hawkeye. But now it's time I pursue some of my other goals in life and take advantage of new doors that have opened in other areas of my life. My memories here will live on forever.#onceahawkalwaysahawk

 
That is too bad. Good luck to Justin.

What is the Iowa scholarship situation? Did they still have a couple they needed to open up by the fall? Or is this an extra?
 
Nothing personal against Justin but most of these Texas kids only stick around for a year or two unless they see early playing time. Good luck to him
 
Nothing personal against Justin but most of these Texas kids only stick around for a year or two unless they see early playing time. Good luck to him
I wouldn't peg that on just Texas kids. Many folks think that they can just walk into the program and play from the get-go. Iowa's blue-collar approach doesn't always mesh with the egos of some of the guys who enter the program. Don't get me wrong, it's important for a guy to be confident. However, they need to realize that there is more to the game than just raw potential.
 
The staff has noted that they have lower retention with guys who live far away.
 
Love the idea that they might be able to bank a ride. Head hunting should be fun with this loaded class
 
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Looks like several walk-on's will get a ride for at least a year. Wish Mr. Jennings and Mr. Graham the best.
 
We need to look at Juco players to fill some spots. All the top programs raid the JC ranks to find quality players. The players can be risky, but they can provide immediate depth.
 
We need to look at Juco players to fill some spots. All the top programs raid the JC ranks to find quality players. The players can be risky, but they can provide immediate depth.

At what positions? There aren't many positions on the roster right now that are set to have any gaping holes anytime soon. The most likely spot is at DE ... and, not surprisingly, we have an offer out to Van Ginkel.

The only other spot is at corner - but it appears that the coaches really like what they have in Jackson and Ojemudia ... and, in addition to those guys, we recruited some promising DBs in the 2016 class. More will follow in the '17 class too.
 
LBer is a position where we can afford some attrition.
In the short term perhaps ... however, we'll be needing to replace 3 high-quality senior LBs after the '17 season. Ideally you already have guys on campus who are battle tested and ready to fill the void.
 
In the short term perhaps ... however, we'll be needing to replace 3 high-quality senior LBs after the '17 season. Ideally you already have guys on campus who are battle tested and ready to fill the void.

Yes but for it to happen better here now than like say qb. After the '17 season there is some quality,IMO, young people that should be ready to step up. Always hate to see the attrition though.
 
Yes but for it to happen better here now than like say qb. After the '17 season there is some quality,IMO, young people that should be ready to step up. Always hate to see the attrition though.
I agree. Mends and Hockaday are already squarely in the picture for playing time and Garbutt + '16 recruiting class LBs will be waiting in the wings. Part of how the Hawks seem to recruit is to get versatile guys ... so then its a little easier to fill voids on the depth chart should we suffer attrition.

On top of all of the above, we're still likely slated to land a LB in the '17 class too.

However, just as you wrote, I hate seeing attrition too. Given that we're a developmental team ... it is to our benefit if guys stick around and put in the time and effort to develop. On the flip side, some of the natural attrition ISN'T bad ... because you don't want guys on the squad who expect things to always come easy.
 
At what positions? There aren't many positions on the roster right now that are set to have any gaping holes anytime soon. The most likely spot is at DE ... and, not surprisingly, we have an offer out to Van Ginkel.

The only other spot is at corner - but it appears that the coaches really like what they have in Jackson and Ojemudia ... and, in addition to those guys, we recruited some promising DBs in the 2016 class. More will follow in the '17 class too.

We can always use a WR/Athlete to fill a spot. You mentioned DE and we could use a good backup or starter. Im not sold on what we have now.

It seems like the successful programs go the JC route to fill spots. Bama and other schools take a few a JC players a year and their depth is not a concern.

Its a toss up with these players. They signed with a JC school for reason and its usually academics or off the field stuff.
 
At what positions? There aren't many positions on the roster right now that are set to have any gaping holes anytime soon. The most likely spot is at DE ... and, not surprisingly, we have an offer out to Van Ginkel.

The only other spot is at corner - but it appears that the coaches really like what they have in Jackson and Ojemudia ... and, in addition to those guys, we recruited some promising DBs in the 2016 class. More will follow in the '17 class too.

In the short term perhaps ... however, we'll be needing to replace 3 high-quality senior LBs after the '17 season. Ideally you already have guys on campus who are battle tested and ready to fill the void.

I would love to see a JUCO CB give some depth to Jackson and Ojemudia. LB should be in good hands with Mends and Hockaday already pushing for PT and Niemann and Taylor coming aboard.
 
We can always use a WR/Athlete to fill a spot. You mentioned DE and we could use a good backup or starter. Im not sold on what we have now.

It seems like the successful programs go the JC route to fill spots. Bama and other schools take a few a JC players a year and their depth is not a concern.

Its a toss up with these players. They signed with a JC school for reason and its usually academics or off the field stuff.

Pro-set offenses are more complicated than spread offenses in terms of reads and the adjustments that need to be made by the WR. Furthermore, while many folks on the board underplay the contribution of the WRs in the running game - that is important too. I'm not just talking about blocking either ... the WR needs to go about their business so that the opposition has more trouble reading whether or not they're going to run a route or block. Their ability to not tip their hands to the defense is very important. If they're too easy to read ... then the DB can get a step on them and that can make it harder to get separation on pass-plays. Or, alternatively, the step the DB gains can give them the upper hand and make them harder to block.

My point in the above - is that JUCOs don't always have the aptitude or experience to pick up a new system like that in such a short period of time.

Also, Alabama can get off doing that because they don't value education as much as a school like Iowa. Ferentz and Co don't want to just push excellent football teams ... they also value the development of young men. The problem with JUCOs is that you don't get as much of a chance to truly shape them.
 
That is like saying, "what proves that Oak tree over there is made of wood?"
I believe he cares about his players a ton, but there really is nothing that supports that he does moreso in comparison to most other coaches.
 
I believe he cares about his players a ton, but there really is nothing that supports that he does moreso in comparison to most other coaches.
Then u haven't paid any attention to the continual comments of IA football alums and the respect they have for KF and the IA football culture. KF drives this culture!
 
I believe he cares about his players a ton, but there really is nothing that supports that he does moreso in comparison to most other coaches.
It is very hard to quantify, but seems pretty obvious.
 
Then u haven't paid any attention to the continual comments of IA football alums and the respect they have for KF and the IA football culture. KF drives this culture!
Once again, that is really no different from the majority of schools. Just thinking about the B1G West, I've heard players say great things about Riley, Fitzgerald, and Chryst, along with Kill before he had to call it quits.
 
Once again, that is really no different from the majority of schools. Just thinking about the B1G West, I've heard players say great things about Riley, Fitzgerald, and Chryst, along with Kill before he had to call it quits.
Okay, so you don't think KF or the culture are special - no worries - opinions are a part of life.
 
Once again, that is really no different from the majority of schools. Just thinking about the B1G West, I've heard players say great things about Riley, Fitzgerald, and Chryst, along with Kill before he had to call it quits.
Nobody has suggested he is the only coach that operates this way, but certainly seems to be elite in this regard. There might be several guys just as good, but as far as I can tell, there are very few better. Iowa is incredibly lucky. Again, it's not like we can measure this, but if you disagree, I would suggest you're just not paying close attention, and that's fine.

I guess if you wanted to play devil's advocate, you could say Joe Paterno was once thought of this way.
 
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So what proves that Kirk isn't one of those guys?
First off, there is a growing list of former Iowa players who are now doctors. They were never discouraged at Iowa from pushing themselves academically. At many top football schools, the football players are often treated as if they were just "football majors."

Even Northwestern, that prides itself concerning its academics, constrained Cain Colter's class schedule so much that he couldn't take all the classes he needed as a pre-med. In contrast, Iowa would reschedule practices around BOTH Vandenberg's and Rudock's class schedules (when they were starters).

Marcus Coker, while still at Iowa, was a physics major. Many former Iowa players have been math majors (I believe Nolan MacMillan was one) and others have been computer science majors. Even more guys have been engineering majors. The point being that guys aren't at all discouraged from choosing perceived "harder" majors. At other schools, football players are often ushered into "easier majors" so that football can be their sole focus.

From a very fundamental standpoint, Ferentz places emphasis on cultivating a strong work ethic and not cutting corners. Admittedly, many other coaches do the same - thus, Ferentz is not unique in this regard. On a repeated basis, Ferentz often talks about making sure that the program is doing things "the right way." He places that emphasis with the full knowledge that many, if not most, programs do not do things "the right way."

Apart from academics, look at how discipline has been handled at Iowa. At some schools, Dom Douglas and Anthony Bowman may not have even missed game-time ... or, if they did, they would have only missed a few games. Instead, those guys were indefinitely suspended and eventually booted from the program. When greater improprieties occurred, like in the case of Everson and Satterfield - those guys were suspended right away. While the investigation may have been mishandled by Iowa administrators - Ferentz participated fully and never dismissed the concerns of the young lady (in stark contrast to REPEATED occurrences at Baylor).

When you cumulatively combine all the facets that I mention above - there is an exceedingly large set of evidence that supports that "Kirk isn't one of those guys."

A valid and interesting concern is whether or not Kirk shares too many similarities with guys like Osborne or Paterno. Has he gotten too big, too powerful? Does he wield his power with impunity, with disregard for valid and established rules? There were windows of time when I suspect that he may have been going down that road ... but I think that he's a thoughtful and reflective guy ... and I think that he's pumped the breaks and chosen other paths. One of those paths has led us to the "new Kirk" ...
 
Nothing personal against Justin but most of these Texas kids only stick around for a year or two unless they see early playing time. Good luck to him
Sounds to me like he just wants to pursue other goals in life. Never said anything about transferring to another school to play football. Good luck to him with what ever he ends up doing...
 
Anthony Gair, Jacob Hillyer, Melvin Spears and Mick Ellis would like to challenge your claim
Jacob Hillyer doesn't apply, he saw action in all 12 games as a redshirt freshman. However you are correct about Melvin Spears. Donovan Johnson, Anjeus Jones, Nic Shimonek and Justin Jinning all agree with me. Btw I don't think we're out of the woods with Ogwo or Ellis if they don't start moving up the dept chart soon.
 
Jacob Hillyer doesn't apply, he saw action in all 12 games as a redshirt freshman. However you are correct about Melvin Spears. Donovan Johnson, Anjeus Jones, Nic Shimonek and Justin Jinning all agree with me. Btw I don't think we're out of the woods with Ogwo or Ellis if they don't start moving up the dept chart soon.
We're probably not out of the woods with anybody that doesn't start moving up the depth chart.
 
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