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Spot on analysis to the current state of things and why

People can deny it but there's definitely a cultural change in the US. There's a need to blame people for any problem, even if it's a natural problem. This is why you see the younger generations blaming the boomers. It's why you see people justifying why they quiet quit. It's why people don't have any issues with the idea of rounding up millions and deporting them. It's why there are people so angry about what was done during covid. And it's ok to disagree and even be mad, but in today's world, people are beyond angry to the point they're willing to hang people.

I don't know if our country will ever recover from this as it's impacting all age groups. Like i said in other posts, I'm a 61 year old white guy and just killing time until retirement. I'll let everyone else live the life of a victim and be pissed. Enjoy it because it becomes mentally an physically draining. I have a relative that was living that life and she eventually went nuts and had to be admitted to the hospital. Anger became her high until she couldn't contain it.
Hard to argue that American culturally & politically is garbage right now, and I suspect with unilateral power that it will only get much worse as we move along. Shit like this tweet from one of Trump's most ardent allies will only become more and more common. And one of Trump's greatest allies and another giant POS provides the forum for this type of bullshit. Buckle up folks.

 
While mocking people with disabilities and encouraging hate of minorities and others that are different than them.
Trump had more PoC vote for him this time than in any other election. Your virtue signal cries about racism fall on deaf ears, chis. Nobody is impressed. I can already tell you will learn nothing from this massive L. How unfortunate.
 
He does make a good point about maga and the gop, but we already know that. At the same time, he completely disregards everything else. Again, maga isn’t why Harris lost.
Just an FYI I actually enjoy conversing with you on many topics and being pissed at KF. That does give me hope on the future as well. I saw and see the threat of Trump and MAGA more than you do at times. It's personal to me as I swore an oath to uphold and defend the constitution. That's where I always come from.
 
Hard to argue that American culturally & politically is garbage right now, and I suspect with unilateral power that it will only get much worse as we move along. Shit like this tweet from one of Trump's most ardent allies will only becomes more and more common. And one of Trump's greatest allies and another giant POS provides the forum for this type of bullshit. Buckle up folks.

LMFAO another one who learned nothing from this loss. Keep it up boys. Please.
 
Hard to argue that American culturally & politically is garbage right now, and I suspect with unilateral power that it will only get much worse as we move along. Shit like this tweet from one of Trump's most ardent allies will only become more and more common. And one of Trump's greatest allies and another giant POS provides the forum for this type of bullshit. Buckle up folks.

Yep article discusses this in full. Spot on..
 
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Trump had more PoC vote for him this time than in any other election. Your virtue signal cries about racism fall on deaf ears, chis. Nobody is impressed. I can already tell you will learn nothing from this massive L. How unfortunate.
@Chishawk1425 and the “professor” reflects classic leftist dumbfvckery. Election doesn’t go your way? It’s because the electorate are a bunch of chauvinist, racist, homophobe, bigoted, blah, blah, blah.
 
His point applies to a subset of who voted for Trump. All the stuff that many of us hate about Trump, they love. Those voters aren’t going to change no matter what the Ds do or who they put out there.

But the rest who voted for Trump did so for various reasons and were apparently willing to overlook the negatives that gets the first group so excited. Cannot ignore the realities.

The gains in minority votes and younger men is shocking to me. The whole argument for years was that demographics will take care of the GOP. The old white boomers are dying off! The younger generation, the minorities are the future of the Democratic Party! Tuesday blew that out of the water and the Dems need to figure it out fast.
 
His point applies to a subset of who voted for Trump. All the stuff that many of us hate about Trump, they love. Those voters aren’t going to change no matter what the Ds do or who they put out there.

But the rest who voted for Trump did so for various reasons and were apparently willing to overlook the negatives that gets the first group so excited. Cannot ignore the realities.

The gains in minority votes and younger men is shocking to me. The whole argument for years was that demographics will take care of the GOP. The old white boomers are dying off! The younger generation, the minorities are the future of the Democratic Party! Tuesday blew that out of the water and the Dems need to figure it out fast.
Yep I'm with you.
 
Just an FYI I actually enjoy conversing with you on many topics and being pissed at KF. That does give me hope on the future as well. I saw and see the threat of Trump and MAGA more than you do at times. It's personal to me as I swore an oath to uphold and defend the constitution. That's where I always come from.

I get it. I do. And while you and I are not likely to ever fully see eye to eye on politics, I do agree with plenty of what you say btw, we both definitely share a passion and love for the hawks. Pretty much always in agreement on Iowa sports.
 
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I get it. I do. And while you and I are not likely to ever fully see eye to eye on politics, I do agree with plenty of what you say btw, we both definitely share a passion and love for the hawks. Pretty much always in agreement on Iowa sports.
Go Hawks tomorrow! Need something good and fun. Hope Kaleb gets 25 carries and tops 200!
 
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This is good. This is the best post-election analysis I’ve read, from Professor Christopher Robichaud, Senior Lecturer in Ethics and Public Policy, Harvard:
“I'll say this, and then I likely won't be saying much more on here for quite some time, to the relief of some, I'm sure. But my farewell warning is this.
Everyone in the days and weeks ahead will use this loss as an opportunity to seek validation for their own hobby horse complaint. Harris lost because she campaigned with Liz Cheney. Harris lost because she didn't embrace Gaza. Harris lost because she didn't choose Shapiro. Harris lost because she wasn't progressive enough (possibly my favorite one).
Take a good hard look at the map, my friends. Trump has won the popular vote. Trump ran the table. Explaining that with your hobby horse issue isn't going to cut it, tempting and consoling as it may be. The problem isn't the electoral college. The problem isn't that we didn't have a full primary. The problem isn't Harris. The problem isn't that Dems didn't have the right message. The problem isn't even inflation or the border.
The problem is so much worse than any of those things. Those are all technical problems, with straightforward expertise fixes. If only it were so! No, our problem is not technical. It's very much adaptive. A party that embraced the Big Lie, supported an insurrection, and has been selling conspiracy-addled madness for years was widely and enthusiastically embraced. Voter turnout was profound! People didn't sit this out.
Simply put, the problem--as some of you have rightly posted--is cultural. America, culturally, has completely abandoned a politics of decency and respect and has embraced instead a politics of resentment, revenge, false nostalgia, and bullying. And if you look at the demographics, you also won't be able to comfort yourself that it's just a white thing, or a working class thing, or an education thing. It's multi-class, multi-gender, multi-educational and multi-racial. That's what winning the popular vote means. That's what running the table amounts to.
A culture that has descended to this level of debasement is not easily fixed. In fact it may not ever be fixed. The timeline for changing something like this is decades--at best--not two-to-four year election cycles. You can extend that in this case, because with the GOP likely controlling all branches of federal government and the courts, they will ensure that mechanisms are in place to keep them in power long after their popularity has waned. You can count on that.
The GOP evolved into a party of rage, lies, and revenge--and it correctly diagnosed that there was and is a large appetite for that. That's what the country wants. At least, enough of the country wants it to ensure broad appeal and widespread electoral success. The old GOP will never return, and the Dems have nothing to say to American culture at the moment. Nothing. They've been speaking to a country that's gone, like dust in the wind.
And that's my final thought, which my posts last night alluded to. The America I knew and loved is gone. This new America--nah, I won't even bother. I will say that cultural change is less likely to occur in politics, or in the academy. You're not going to get people to see how vulgar they've become through a clever argument or a nice campaign speech, that's for sure.
This would be time for the arts, broadly understood, to step in. The arts can change hearts and minds. Too bad the arts have been systematically dismantled in education in this country, and on the other end, the tech industry's assault on the arts through AI is sure to hollow out any good-faith efforts that might emerge.
And for the rest of the world, America's rightward lurch is, I'm afraid, bad news for you too. I know you know this. Because it's not isolated, is it? It's just at the moment the most prominent example of a burgeoning trend. And this will embolden others in other countries, to be sure. We need not speculate what happens when countries become mired in lies, embrace resentment, and savor bullying. We know exactly what happens. Bloody conflict and global destabilization.
The first quarter of the 21st century will therefore in hindsight be viewed as the seed-planting stage for the absolute shit show that's about to unfold globally over the next two and a half decades. Count on it.
Adopt whatever coping and endurance strategies you have available. You're going to need it.
I think that's all I've left to say.”
TLDR it all... but I got the point. It's not the left's policies or candidates that were defeated...Everything is fine there. Harris is good, the left's policies are good... it's the American people that are the problem, specifically MAGAts who were more motivated to vote for Trump than Dems were to vote for Harris.

Just more out of touch elitism from some hardcore lefty professor elite.

Eff off to that guy.

There I saved everyone time.
 
TLDR it all... but I got the point. It's not the left's policies or candidates that were defeated...Everything is fine there. Harris is good, the left's policies are good... it's the American people that are the problem, specifically MAGAts who were more motivated to vote for Trump than Dems were to vote for Harris.

Just more out of touch elitism from some hardcore lefty professor elite.

Eff off to that guy.

There I saved everyone time.
Nope. And I expected you to be offended. He covered what the GOP is and tolerates spot on. Trump never should have been their candidate. The party is a disgrace.
 
Trump never should have been a candidate he's the most unfit man ever to run for office and a literal felon. That is 100% on the GOP not functioning as a party loyal to our constitution and to governing for all in good faith. This is 100% fact.
my god it's over are you going to cry for the next 4 years? 12 when you count JD's 8?
 
LMFAO another one who learned nothing from this loss. Keep it up boys. Please.

I personally learned a lot from this election. The election taught me about the type of person who is voting. The democrats will have to decide how to play the game better. The democrats are playing basketball against a pickup team and expecting someone to call fouls. The people watching (voters) prefer a pickup game and so the democrats need to change their game plan.
 
His point applies to a subset of who voted for Trump. All the stuff that many of us hate about Trump, they love. Those voters aren’t going to change no matter what the Ds do or who they put out there.

But the rest who voted for Trump did so for various reasons and were apparently willing to overlook the negatives that gets the first group so excited. Cannot ignore the realities.

The gains in minority votes and younger men is shocking to me. The whole argument for years was that demographics will take care of the GOP. The old white boomers are dying off! The younger generation, the minorities are the future of the Democratic Party! Tuesday blew that out of the water and the Dems need to figure it out fast.
I mean the right went on very popular podcasts that are consumed by young males of all races and cultures. The left went after those males and disenfranchised them from their party. Again, the messaging is horrible on the left even if some of their polices are good.
 
This is good. This is the best post-election analysis I’ve read, from Professor Christopher Robichaud, Senior Lecturer in Ethics and Public Policy, Harvard:
“I'll say this, and then I likely won't be saying much more on here for quite some time, to the relief of some, I'm sure. But my farewell warning is this.
Everyone in the days and weeks ahead will use this loss as an opportunity to seek validation for their own hobby horse complaint. Harris lost because she campaigned with Liz Cheney. Harris lost because she didn't embrace Gaza. Harris lost because she didn't choose Shapiro. Harris lost because she wasn't progressive enough (possibly my favorite one).
Take a good hard look at the map, my friends. Trump has won the popular vote. Trump ran the table. Explaining that with your hobby horse issue isn't going to cut it, tempting and consoling as it may be. The problem isn't the electoral college. The problem isn't that we didn't have a full primary. The problem isn't Harris. The problem isn't that Dems didn't have the right message. The problem isn't even inflation or the border.
The problem is so much worse than any of those things. Those are all technical problems, with straightforward expertise fixes. If only it were so! No, our problem is not technical. It's very much adaptive. A party that embraced the Big Lie, supported an insurrection, and has been selling conspiracy-addled madness for years was widely and enthusiastically embraced. Voter turnout was profound! People didn't sit this out.
Simply put, the problem--as some of you have rightly posted--is cultural. America, culturally, has completely abandoned a politics of decency and respect and has embraced instead a politics of resentment, revenge, false nostalgia, and bullying. And if you look at the demographics, you also won't be able to comfort yourself that it's just a white thing, or a working class thing, or an education thing. It's multi-class, multi-gender, multi-educational and multi-racial. That's what winning the popular vote means. That's what running the table amounts to.
A culture that has descended to this level of debasement is not easily fixed. In fact it may not ever be fixed. The timeline for changing something like this is decades--at best--not two-to-four year election cycles. You can extend that in this case, because with the GOP likely controlling all branches of federal government and the courts, they will ensure that mechanisms are in place to keep them in power long after their popularity has waned. You can count on that.
The GOP evolved into a party of rage, lies, and revenge--and it correctly diagnosed that there was and is a large appetite for that. That's what the country wants. At least, enough of the country wants it to ensure broad appeal and widespread electoral success. The old GOP will never return, and the Dems have nothing to say to American culture at the moment. Nothing. They've been speaking to a country that's gone, like dust in the wind.
And that's my final thought, which my posts last night alluded to. The America I knew and loved is gone. This new America--nah, I won't even bother. I will say that cultural change is less likely to occur in politics, or in the academy. You're not going to get people to see how vulgar they've become through a clever argument or a nice campaign speech, that's for sure.
This would be time for the arts, broadly understood, to step in. The arts can change hearts and minds. Too bad the arts have been systematically dismantled in education in this country, and on the other end, the tech industry's assault on the arts through AI is sure to hollow out any good-faith efforts that might emerge.
And for the rest of the world, America's rightward lurch is, I'm afraid, bad news for you too. I know you know this. Because it's not isolated, is it? It's just at the moment the most prominent example of a burgeoning trend. And this will embolden others in other countries, to be sure. We need not speculate what happens when countries become mired in lies, embrace resentment, and savor bullying. We know exactly what happens. Bloody conflict and global destabilization.
The first quarter of the 21st century will therefore in hindsight be viewed as the seed-planting stage for the absolute shit show that's about to unfold globally over the next two and a half decades. Count on it.
Adopt whatever coping and endurance strategies you have available. You're going to need it.
I think that's all I've left to say.”
Jfc what an absolute load of garbage from someone who clearly learned nothing and listened to no one following the election. If you think 70+ million people are all the problem and all so naive... I've got news for you, you're the problem.
That being said, lefties by all means stay on this messaging. It's the best way to insure you'll hit rock bottom and finally start to change. Because they're clearly not there yet.
 
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"It's the economy, stupid" ~ James Carville

Oh, and about that border bill. You should actually read it. It doesn't say what you think it says.
CNN showed a different map of the US late in the evening on election night - this map showed wages in regards to inflation. And it was broken down into different shades per county where inflation outpaced wage increases. John King said that in the entire United States - only 5 counties, in the ENTIRE US - 5 counties were wage increases outpaced inflation. 5!!!!!

"It's the economy, stupid" is spot on.
 
CNN showed a different map of the US late in the evening on election night - this map showed wages in regards to inflation. And it was broken down into different shades per county where inflation outpaced wage increases. John King said that in the entire United States - only 5 counties, in the ENTIRE US - 5 counties were wage increases outpaced inflation. 5!!!!!

"It's the economy, stupid" is spot on.
And the GOP has no real plan to fix it. Stupid is accurate.
 
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Lol can't be worse than those costs they built into prices due to Bidenomics
His point applies to a subset of who voted for Trump. All the stuff that many of us hate about Trump, they love. Those voters aren’t going to change no matter what the Ds do or who they put out there.

But the rest who voted for Trump did so for various reasons and were apparently willing to overlook the negatives that gets the first group so excited. Cannot ignore the realities.

The gains in minority votes and younger men is shocking to me. The whole argument for years was that demographics will take care of the GOP. The old white boomers are dying off! The younger generation, the minorities are the future of the Democratic Party! Tuesday blew that out of the water and the Dems need to figure it out fast.
Shouldn't shock you if you've been paying attention tbh
"Ivory Tower Professor from Liberal College Tells You Why America is Bad After Democrat Loses Election"

I'll pass on reading that thank you.
10/10 synopsis actually
my god it's over are you going to cry for the next 4 years? 12 when you count JD's 8?
When did he ever stop?
I personally learned a lot from this election. The election taught me about the type of person who is voting. The democrats will have to decide how to play the game better. The democrats are playing basketball against a pickup team and expecting someone to call fouls. The people watching (voters) prefer a pickup game and so the democrats need to change their game plan.
What specific "foul" do you think should have been called?
Yikes in general




And this guy spends time with Trump



Nick Fuentes was a random tag along to one dinner with trump along with Kanye west. He has been almost entirely shunned by maga lol you're grasping at straws cuz you couldn't grasp at victory.
 
So much outrage 🤣

Dems get their asses handed to them and all they got is the same ole crap. Until they start admitting their policies suck and not what the American people want, they are going to continue losing elections.

Don’t wait too long or this shift in voting could become permanent.
OP was spot on. Exhibit A^
 
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You're out to lunch if you think this has anything to do with policy. The policy Biden supported, like infrastructure, is the same policy the Rs tried to take credit for. Hell, Biden even tried to pass a super conservative border bill and the Rs still said no.
What happened when the cap was reached on that bill?
 
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If indeed you agree with the "culture" change as OP mentions, the fault is not soley with MAGA. Its big business to keep people screaming at each other over shit they learned on CNN/FOX/MSNBC/Twitter/Facebook. Its much easier to get people to blame someone for their issues, than understand them.
 
His point applies to a subset of who voted for Trump. All the stuff that many of us hate about Trump, they love. Those voters aren’t going to change no matter what the Ds do or who they put out there.

But the rest who voted for Trump did so for various reasons and were apparently willing to overlook the negatives that gets the first group so excited. Cannot ignore the realities.

The gains in minority votes and younger men is shocking to me. The whole argument for years was that demographics will take care of the GOP. The old white boomers are dying off! The younger generation, the minorities are the future of the Democratic Party! Tuesday blew that out of the water and the Dems need to figure it out fast.

Regarding the younger generations the outcome was caused by expectations combined with entitlement.

I'm in my early 60's with kids in their late 20's. The men and women 20-40 are dealing with the fact they may not live as nice of life as when they were kids. They are not happy about that because their expectation was that if they went to college they would live the same life as their parents. I think we've all heard kids say they felt they've lied to because their parents told them that if they get a college degree then they would live a good life. And some feel that wasn't true. Many posters on here have felt they should get college cheaper and home prices are too high. Many of the young men/women are not getting what they feel they're entitled to (life like a 60+ with a college degree), so they're not happy. So they had two choices in this election, go democrat and hope they can do things to make it better (but knowing they really can't), or go angry and pick the republican that's pushing anger with the hope of doing something different. We know which side they chose.
 
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This would be time for the arts, broadly understood, to step in. The arts can change hearts and minds.

So...basically...he's saying we need a music festival to solve this. Sweet!
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As soon as I saw Chaney I stopped. Chaney's have killed more people than the plague and gotten rich doing it. Nothing else said after that means crap, if Chaney is quoted.
 
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