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Watching that vid of Spencer just rag dolling Sasso from the top position got me wondering, how much of this will he be able to translate and continue to develop over the next 4-5 yrs? We haven't had a true "any time, anywhere" threat from the top position since what Perry (with the exception of a few others but usually just against weaker competition)?
I'd love to see him continue to develop this part of his arsenal. So critical for bonus pointing and versatile scoring.
 
Mattski said:
Watching that vid of Spencer just rag dolling Sasso from the top position got me wondering, how much of this will he be able to translate and continue to develop over the next 4-5 yrs? We haven't had a true "any time, anywhere" threat from the top position since what Perry (with the exception of a few others but usually just against weaker competition)?
I'd love to see him continue to develop this part of his arsenal. So critical for bonus pointing and versatile scoring.
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I think he'll be clingy with only a select few ever earning escapes throughout his career. He will turn a lot of guys on the podium and everyone not on the podium. Think Lizak from this past year on top.
 
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Grip220 said:
I think will far surpass Lizak as far as scoring point from top imho
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Not sure how far he can surpass him. Lizak turned just about everybody last season. The matches that were either close or lost were because of his gas tank (weight issue) and holes in his neutral defense. I don't believe Lee will have those types of issues and thus wins/bonuses more but he will have success similiar on top to Lizak. There really isn't room for Lee to "far surpass" Lizak on top.
 
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StParis said:
Lee reminds me a lot of Logan Stieber.
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I started to go there but at least initially I don't think Lee will be that much stronger than the elite guys. Steiber was a lot stronger than everyone he wrestled and by his rs junior year was just brutalizing guys on top. It was less technique and more brute strength. There were some hs kids Lee was able to ride but not able to turn at will. Its accepted that Lee is "small" for the weight starting off his college career so he may eventually get there but I don't see it in 2018.
 
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PapaBearSLIM said:
I started to go there but at least initially I don't think Lee will be that much stronger than the elite guys. Steiber was a lot stronger than everyone he wrestled and by his rs junior year was just brutalizing guys on top. It was less technique and more brute strength. There were some hs kids Lee was able to ride but not able to turn at will. Its accepted that Lee is "small" for the weight starting off his college career so he may eventually get there but I don't see it in 2018.
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Based on the description of a guy who rolls with Spencer, he’s freakishly strong — as in Gilman strong. He may be a little small for 125 right now, but he’s strong as an ox — plus he has world class technique. I see him turning just about everyone.
 
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Gobblin said:
Spencer Lee may very well may end up being one of, if not thee most prolific rider/pinner in the history of the program.. Scary to think about, but I truly think Spencer is a better folkstyler than freestyler. He is going to absolutely punish guys on top.
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Who currently holds that distinction?
 
PapaBearSLIM said:
Not sure how far he can surpass him. Lizak turned just about everybody last season. The matches that were either close or lost were because of his gas tank (weight issue) and holes in his neutral defense. I don't believe Lee will have those types of issues and thus wins/bonuses more but he will have success similiar on top to Lizak. There really isn't room for Lee to "far surpass" Lizak on top.
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I understand your point and I could be wrong but I still think when SL is on his A game he is the best point scoring top wrestler that I have seen at his age that along with him being one of the best pure wrestlers coming out of HS I believe he dominates top quality guys not just a couple backs here and there against top guys So ipso facto that would make SL far better IMHO
 
nearfall2 said:
Ed Banach 73 career falls. (Randy Lewis 2nd with 64)
Bruce Kinseth 23 season falls. (Ed tied for 2nd with 22)
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I would guess at least 75% of Kinseth’s falls were from the standing position with a body lock. Pretty sure all 5 at the NCAA tourn were.
 
moosemonster said:
Trying to eat here.
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Didn't mean it that way. Quote from Gilman on that match, "I broke him from the bottom position. Even though he was scoring points, I broke him from the bottom position."

Hilarious to me. Love Gilman's mentality.
 
Is_there_vodka_in_heaven said:
Didn't mean it that way. Quote from Gilman on that match, "I broke him from the bottom position. Even though he was scoring points, I broke him from the bottom position."

Hilarious to me. Love Gilman's mentality.
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Flo touched on this too and Pyles, I think it was agreed and caught lots of crap. It makes some sense if you break it down. He didn't gas out like that in all his other matches. Gilman made it more physically demanding to turn him, trying to keep pace and continue to turn Gilman caused him to run out of energy. He was in control in being on top, so that is the part that makes the statement hard for many to agree with. Some people are going to give you more fight and wear you out more then others, it happened in that match.
 
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Flo touched on this too and Pyles, I think it was agreed and caught lots of crap. It makes some sense if you break it down. He didn't gas out like that in all his other matches. Gilman made it more physically demanding to turn him, trying to keep pace and continue to turn Gilman caused him to run out of energy. He was in control in being on top, so that is the part that makes the statement hard for many to agree with. Some people are going to give you more fight and wear you out more then others, it happened in that match.
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Yeah, I'm not disagreeing. I just think it's a unique way of thinking. How many wrestlers are thinking about dominating or out working the guy from the bottom position? Gilman clearly thinks he did in that match. Whether he did or not is irrelevant to me. I just love that mindset.
 
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Is_there_vodka_in_heaven said:
Yeah, I'm not disagreeing. I just think it's a unique way of thinking. How many wrestlers are thinking about dominating or out working the guy from the bottom position? Gilman clearly thinks he did in that match. Whether he did or not is irrelevant to me. I just love that mindset.
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It is a funny way of thinking about it. Because obviously Gilman is working to get out of bottom at the same time and can not and he wouldn't put himself there intentionally to try to gas a guy. Wrestling top or bottom at that pace with many is going to gas them. I just wish he would have kept that mentality when he wrestled Cruz. We saw what happens at the team trials with him when he is thinking that way, just wish it would have happend at NCAA's too.
 
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Czech Hawk said:
It is a funny way of thinking about it. Because obviously Gilman is working to get out of bottom at the same time and can not and he wouldn't put himself there intentionally to try to gas a guy. Wrestling top or bottom at that pace with many is going to gas them. I just wish he would have kept that mentality when he wrestled Cruz. We saw what happens at the team trials with him when he is thinking that way, just wish it would have happend at NCAA's too.
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I think of that match a lot I firmly believe TG was the best wrestler at 125 last year he just was not the best that match not to take anything away from Cruz but Gilman was not at his best that match and we all know thats all it takes to lose one at that level. But his run at the team trials was the best run I have seen to date so redemption was his. And well deserving IMHO
 
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Old Fart Flashback - Lou Banach as a freshman was on bottom for over 4 minutes against ISU's John Forshee. I counted the number of times Lou struggled to his feet only to be thrown back down - over 20 times. Banach wore him out and pinned him with about 30 seconds left in the match. I have never seen anyone - ever - fight like that from the bottom.
 
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JohnBasedow said:
I don’t think he played much football but he shouldn’t have a problem throwing Vega to his back in a few months.
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He'll do more than throw him to his back for sure. There is a reason why the ISU staff is going hard after 125 lbers.
 
WWDMHawkeye said:
Based on the description of a guy who rolls with Spencer, he’s freakishly strong — as in Gilman strong. He may be a little small for 125 right now, but he’s strong as an ox — plus he has world class technique. I see him turning just about everyone.
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I hope that's true - very bold prediction. Some very tough 125s out there.
 
Gobblin said:
Spencer Lee may very well may end up being one of, if not thee most prolific rider/pinner in the history of the program.. Scary to think about, but I truly think Spencer is a better folkstyler than freestyler. He is going to absolutely punish guys on top.
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I have never seen someone rag doll guys like he does while going half speed, and giving up size. Health is about the only thing that will keep him from being in the all time great discussions. Freakishly strong and knows how to use it. He has room for a few more pounds of muscle which is scary.
 
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