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Logan Jones and Ethan Hurkett expected back; Wetjen could return as well

Pretty sure LeRoy Smith was an LB in Brashier's 5-2, which was essentially a modified 3-4. So he was a rush LB. That's how I remember it anyway. If I recall, he was like 6-1ish/215lbs. But my memory certainly isn't what it used to be!
This is correct. He was basically an outside linebacker who played on the line of scrimmage. He’d be called an “Edge” in today’s parlance.

Also, he was a RB before being switched to defense.
 
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Back in the day, Hayden moved DB LeRoy Smith to DE. Smith was undersized--by a lot--for a DE, but man did he turn out to be effective by using his speed and quickness. There really are multiple ways to get pressure, and using quickness at the DE spot is one of them. Too bad Phil didn't try someone like that in the role, because Iowa's lack of pressure was a major contributor to the downturn of the defense.
Like HawkRule73 said, Brashur and Fry liked to play that 5 man defensive front a lot with a nose tackle and two Dtackles and 2 quick DEnd/Lbkr types. In certain situations one of the DEnd would definitely be in a wide side Lbkr position and the 4 D linemen would lineup more like a standard 4 man front.
 
Jones is garbage. We need to cut bait with the entire line and the OL coach and start over. How many more times do we need to see our QB getting sacked, rushed into a throwaway, or our RB to get hit behind the line and Jones and others are standing there watching it happen?
Jones is garbage? I guess he fooled a lot of big10 voters. Good thing we have an expert here to straighten them out. It takes years to develop on offensive line, you don't scrap all of them and start over. Ever.
 
Hurkett closed the year well but I’d be lying I’ll be a bit disappointed if it means reverting Allen and Llewellyn to pass rush packages only again. Both deserve bigger roles.
With Craig graduating they will have bigger roles. Having Ethan back would be huge, he was probably our most consistent D-lineman this season.
 
Jones is garbage. We need to cut bait with the entire line and the OL coach and start over. How many more times do we need to see our QB getting sacked, rushed into a throwaway, or our RB to get hit behind the line and Jones and others are standing there watching it happen?
So tell us why you are more qualified to evaluate offensive lineman than the Big Ten coaches who named Jones 2nd team All Big Ten ? Or the media who named him 1st team All Big Ten ?
 
Jones is garbage. We need to cut bait with the entire line and the OL coach and start over. How many more times do we need to see our QB getting sacked, rushed into a throwaway, or our RB to get hit behind the line and Jones and others are standing there watching it happen?
You are either thinking of jones when he first switched sides of the line, are clueless or both.
My guess is both.
 
Jones is garbage. We need to cut bait with the entire line and the OL coach and start over. How many more times do we need to see our QB getting sacked, rushed into a throwaway, or our RB to get hit behind the line and Jones and others are standing there watching it happen?
Our near total lack of passing this year would make it hard for any 5 ol to protect the qb from an 8 man rush on virtually every play.
 
Considering the HC will be chasing off talent, we need to milk that 2020 free gift as much as possible.

Come back, lil Sheba ... and big HERKETT
 
Experience doesn't always equate to talent.

The fact Jones is returning might be more an indication he has no other options/NFL potential.

Having an entire OLine of juniors/seniors, like 2024, is concerning.
None were good enough to make the pros before they're eligibility is gone.
 
Jones is garbage. We need to cut bait with the entire line and the OL coach and start over. How many more times do we need to see our QB getting sacked, rushed into a throwaway, or our RB to get hit behind the line and Jones and others are standing there watching it happen?
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Experience doesn't always equate to talent.

The fact Jones is returning might be more an indication he has no other options/NFL potential.

Having an entire OLine of juniors/seniors, like 2024, is concerning.
None were good enough to make the pros before they're eligibility is gone.
JFC. I understand people not thrilled about DeJong returning this past season, but this is a 3-year starting C who has gotten better every season after changing from the DL and was 1st or 2nd team All-B1G in '24. I've been as frustrated with the OL as anyone, but complaining about having Logan coming back and suggesting that having an experienced OL is a bad thing is just silly.

Barnett is who need to "enter the portal"....
 
JFC. I understand people not thrilled about DeJong returning this past season, but this is a 3-year starting C who has gotten better every season after changing from the DL and was 1st or 2nd team All-B1G in '24. I've been as frustrated with the OL as anyone, but complaining about having Logan coming back and suggesting that having an experienced OL is a bad thing is just silly.

Barnett is who need to "enter the portal"....
Having someone recognized as "all B1G" can be deceiving. Hell, Richman was as well and he looked like a turnstyle at the airport in pass protection.
This could be a "what came first...the chicken or the egg" argument. We're Iowa's QBs horrible so the OLine looked bad or was the OLine bad so the QB struggled?
 
Having someone recognized as "all B1G" can be deceiving. Hell, Richman was as well and he looked like a turnstyle at the airport in pass protection.
This could be a "what came first...the chicken or the egg" argument. We're Iowa's QBs horrible so the OLine looked bad or was the OLine bad so the QB struggled?
Dang. Not only are you smarter than Big Ten coaches and media who vote on these things, but also the PFF rankings, which put Jones at #9 OLineman in the Big Ten. OLinemen are usually only noticed by fans when bad things happen. What are your credentials other than sitting on the couch watching games and noticing mistakes the OLinemen make?

No one is arguing that Iowa's OL hasn't struggled overall under Barnett.
 
Pretty sure LeRoy Smith was an LB in Brashier's 5-2, which was essentially a modified 3-4. So he was a rush LB. That's how I remember it anyway. If I recall, he was like 6-1ish/215lbs. But my memory certainly isn't what it used to be!

Kinda true, but he was still incredibly undersized. Babineoux was another guy converted from RB to DT, but he managed to bulk up quite a bit
 
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Having someone recognized as "all B1G" can be deceiving. Hell, Richman was as well and he looked like a turnstyle at the airport in pass protection.
This could be a "what came first...the chicken or the egg" argument. We're Iowa's QBs horrible so the OLine looked bad or was the OLine bad so the QB struggled?
Seriously? Deceiving? All those writers and coaches voting for Logan are deceiving you?

WOW. SMH.
 
Some of these awards look like "participation ribbons". Respecting upperclassmen.
Fans that actually watch the games see things differently sometimes.
Media voting has always been suspect.

Sorry, Mr Jones!
You've already proven your idiocy regarding this subject, but there's no way you actually believe the bolded statement.
 
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Kinda true, but he was still incredibly undersized. Babineoux was another guy converted from RB to DT, but he managed to bulk up quite a bit
Babs was a FB when he got to Iowa but moved right away. King and Kroul were both LB's when they were recruited. Klug only weighed about 205lbs when he got to Iowa.
 
Babs was a FB when he got to Iowa but moved right away. King and Kroul were both LB's when they were recruited. Klug only weighed about 205lbs when he got to Iowa.
My memory is that he played FB one year before switching, not right away.
 
From Hawkeyesports.com:

“Babineaux soon became a freshman starter at fullback for the Hawkeyes. After the 2000 season Ferentz came to him and asked his opinion of switching to the defensive line, which was about to lose Aaron Kampman to the NFL.

“He played very well as a fullback,” Ferentz said. “We made the move because we had a projected need on the defensive line.””
 
You've already proven your idiocy regarding this subject, but there's no way you actually believe the bolded statement.
When I see OLinemen with their backs turned to the LOS watching a QB sack...I can surmise a missed block.

Don't have to be a fvcking coach to realize the problem.
But keep defending this shit.
Colby/DeJong regressed the older they got.
 
When I see OLinemen with their backs turned to the LOS watching a QB sack...I can surmise a missed block.

Don't have to be a fvcking coach to realize the problem.
But keep defending this shit.
Colby/DeJong regressed the older they got.
Not "defending" anything. Just ridiculing you and your genius idea that having a 1st team All-B1G C, who was objectively ranked 9th best OL in the B1G via PFF, returning to the team is a bad thing because you watched him miss some blocks during the season while sitting on your couch drinking beer. You need to drop your strawman arguments and take an L.
 
When I see OLinemen with their backs turned to the LOS watching a QB sack...I can surmise a missed block.

Don't have to be a fvcking coach to realize the problem.
But keep defending this shit.
Colby/DeJong regressed the older they got.
You don't have to be a coach. You have to have a brain to realize first team big players are a good thing.
 
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lol, yeah you’re an OL guru.
Maybe we could ask all our injured QBs that spent the last few years running for their lives?

I love everyone that thinks Iowa has had above average OLine play the last 3-4 years.

Parents and Coach Barnett loved em!
Pass protection has been nothing short of dreadful.
 
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Some of these awards look like "participation ribbons". Respecting upperclassmen.
Fans that actually watch the games see things differently sometimes.
Media voting has always been suspect.

Sorry, Mr Jones!
Was bist du doof oder etwas?
 
Maybe we could ask all our injured QBs that spent the last few years running for their lives?

I love everyone that thinks Iowa has had above average OLine play the last 3-4 years.

Parents and Coach Barnett loved em!
Pass protection has been nothing short of dreadful.
What the f are you talking about? Iowa's line literally gave up the fewest sacks, hurries, and pressures of any team in the Big Ten this season. I know it's popular amongst Iowa fans to shit on the OL (and I am guilty of doing so the past few seasons) but they were very good this year.
 
What the f are you talking about? Iowa's line literally gave up the fewest sacks, hurries, and pressures of any team in the Big Ten this season. I know it's popular amongst Iowa fans to shit on the OL (and I am guilty of doing so the past few seasons) but they were very good this year.
It’s hard to give up sacks, hurries, and pressures if you never throw the ball.
 
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Jones is garbage? I guess he fooled a lot of big10 voters. Good thing we have an expert here to straighten them out. It takes years to develop on offensive line, you don't scrap all of them and start over. Ever
First Team All-BIG, certainly isn't garbage.
 
It’s hard to give up sacks, hurries, and pressures if you never throw the ball.
This argument doesn't hold water. If you adjust for the number of passing plays, Iowa's pass pro was still very efficient.
4th in the Big Ten in snaps per sack surrendered. Oregon = 95.6, Penn State = 87.2, USC = 66.4, Iowa = 58.2
2nd in the Big Ten in snaps per hurry surrendered. Indiana = 9.0, Iowa = 8.8
4th in the Big Ten is snaps per total pressures surrenderd. Wisconsin = 6.9, Oregon = 6.5, Indiana = 5.9, Iowa = 5.8
 
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What the f are you talking about? Iowa's line literally gave up the fewest sacks, hurries, and pressures of any team in the Big Ten this season. I know it's popular amongst Iowa fans to shit on the OL (and I am guilty of doing so the past few seasons) but they were very good this year.
Run game yes.

You wanna take a guess why they gave up the fewest sacks????

Here's a hint...there was no confidence in the pass game!
 
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Run game yes.

You wanna take a guess why they gave up the fewest sacks????

Here's a hint...there was no confidence in the pass game!
You specifically mentioned the pass blocking being nothing short of dreadful.

As I wrote in the post above yours:
This argument doesn't hold water. If you adjust for the number of passing plays, Iowa's pass pro was still very efficient.
4th in the Big Ten in snaps per sack surrendered. Oregon = 95.6, Penn State = 87.2, USC = 66.4, Iowa = 58.2
2nd in the Big Ten in snaps per hurry surrendered. Indiana = 9.0, Iowa = 8.8
4th in the Big Ten is snaps per total pressures surrenderd. Wisconsin = 6.9, Oregon = 6.5, Indiana = 5.9, Iowa = 5.8

Do those statistics look dreadful to you?
 
You specifically mentioned the pass blocking being nothing short of dreadful.

As I wrote in the post above yours:
This argument doesn't hold water. If you adjust for the number of passing plays, Iowa's pass pro was still very efficient.
4th in the Big Ten in snaps per sack surrendered. Oregon = 95.6, Penn State = 87.2, USC = 66.4, Iowa = 58.2
2nd in the Big Ten in snaps per hurry surrendered. Indiana = 9.0, Iowa = 8.8
4th in the Big Ten is snaps per total pressures surrenderd. Wisconsin = 6.9, Oregon = 6.5, Indiana = 5.9, Iowa = 5.8

Do those statistics look dreadful to you?
Lowest total passing yards in the B1G...

Hell, yeah...that's dreadful.

JFC
They could make an Olympic sport out of the mental gymnastics you're attempting.
 
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Lowest total passing yards in the B1G...

Hell, yeah...that's dreadful.

JFC
What does that have to do with the offensive line's pass blocking efficiency? Do you think that might be a reflection of the piss poor play at QB and at receiver?

Again...this was a discussion about the OL pass blocking. You made an incorrect statement and now you are trying to shift the focus elsewhere.
 
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What does that have to do with the offensive line's pass blocking efficiency? Do you think that might be a reflection of the piss poor play at QB and at receiver?

Again...this was a discussion about the OL pass blocking. You made an incorrect statement and now you are trying to shift the focus elsewhere.
Wrong...the shitty performance of the QB can be directly attributed to an equally shitty OLine performance.
And vice versa.

By chance, which Iowa lineman are you related to?
Or are you Gary Barnett...IN THE FLESH?

Iowa's passing attack, or better yet, lack thereof, is a running national joke.
At halftime of the Nebraska/Iowa game, the first thing mentioned on the halftime TV analysis was the anemic passing game.
Laughing stock seems to be the phrase used the most.
 
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