It's obvious that you have zero clue about that night or what Logan's involvement was. Why don't ya sit the next few plays out champ..?
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Logan Ryan
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It's obvious that you have zero clue about that night or what Logan's involvement was. Why don't ya sit the next few plays out champ..?
Logan Ryan
141, Freshman ‐‐ Bettendorf, Iowa (Bettendorf)
Wt. Opponent (School) Result Overall/Dual Record
141 Harold Nichols Open ‐‐ 3rd place
Sean Brown (Indiana) W‐MD 13‐2 1‐0/0‐0
Alexande Hurtado (Nebraska‐Kearney) W‐MFF 2‐0/0‐0
Lavion Mayes (Missouri) L‐D 5‐2 2‐1/0‐0
Austin Roper (Missouri) W‐D 5‐4 3‐1/0‐0
Walker Marshall (Grand View (Iowa)) W‐MD 14‐5 4‐1/0‐0
John Muldoon (Unat. Southern Ill. Edwardsville) W‐D 6‐2 5‐1/0‐0
Sam Crane (Missouri) W‐D 5‐3 6‐1/0‐0
141 Luther Open ‐‐ 1st place
Jared Brathor (Cornell College) W‐MD 17‐5 7‐1/0‐0
Levi Azinger (Coe College) W‐MD 17‐7 8‐1/0‐0
Eric Clarke (Wartburg) W‐D 9‐4 9‐1/0‐0
Taylor Lehman (North Iowa Area CC) W‐Pin 2:33 (1) 10‐1/0‐0
Seth Gross (Iowa) W‐TB1 2‐1 11‐1/0‐0
141 Joe Parisi Open ‐‐ 6th place
Kyle Borders (McKendree University) W‐MD 20‐7 12‐1/0‐0
Joseph Schumacher (Oklahoma State) W‐D 4‐2 13‐1/0‐0
Dean Heil (Oklahoma State) L‐D 8‐1 13‐2/0‐0
David Dolan (Oklahoma State) L‐D 4‐3 13‐3/0‐0
Tyler Willers (Northern Iowa) L‐D 5‐1 13‐4/0‐0
Maryville Kaufman Brand Results – 3rd place
Matthew Moss (Bacone) W‐Pin 3:19 (2) 14‐4/0‐0
Latrell Hardison (McKendree) W‐TF 20‐4 15‐4/0‐0
John Muldoon (SIU‐E) W‐D 3‐1 16‐4/0‐0
Seth Gross (Iowa) L‐D 7‐2 16‐5/0‐0
Erik Spjut (Lyon) W‐D 4‐3 17‐5/0‐0
LeRoy Barnes (Missouri) W‐D 6‐1 18‐5/0‐0
Grand View Open – 3rd place
Tanner Mills (Minnesota State Mankato) W‐TF 21‐6 19‐5/0‐0
John Giofreddi (Grand View (Iowa)) W‐MD 20‐7 20‐5/0‐0
John Meeks (Iowa State) L‐D 5‐3 20‐6/0‐0
Tyler Willers (Northern Iowa) W‐MD 12‐4 21‐6/0‐0
Colton McCrystal (Nebraska) W‐D 4‐2 22‐6/0‐0
141, Freshman ‐‐ Bettendorf, Iowa (Bettendorf)
Wt. Opponent (School) Result Overall/Dual Record
141 Harold Nichols Open ‐‐ 3rd place
Sean Brown (Indiana) W‐MD 13‐2 1‐0/0‐0
Alexande Hurtado (Nebraska‐Kearney) W‐MFF 2‐0/0‐0
Lavion Mayes (Missouri) L‐D 5‐2 2‐1/0‐0
Austin Roper (Missouri) W‐D 5‐4 3‐1/0‐0
Walker Marshall (Grand View (Iowa)) W‐MD 14‐5 4‐1/0‐0
John Muldoon (Unat. Southern Ill. Edwardsville) W‐D 6‐2 5‐1/0‐0
Sam Crane (Missouri) W‐D 5‐3 6‐1/0‐0
141 Luther Open ‐‐ 1st place
Jared Brathor (Cornell College) W‐MD 17‐5 7‐1/0‐0
Levi Azinger (Coe College) W‐MD 17‐7 8‐1/0‐0
Eric Clarke (Wartburg) W‐D 9‐4 9‐1/0‐0
Taylor Lehman (North Iowa Area CC) W‐Pin 2:33 (1) 10‐1/0‐0
Seth Gross (Iowa) W‐TB1 2‐1 11‐1/0‐0
141 Joe Parisi Open ‐‐ 6th place
Kyle Borders (McKendree University) W‐MD 20‐7 12‐1/0‐0
Joseph Schumacher (Oklahoma State) W‐D 4‐2 13‐1/0‐0
Dean Heil (Oklahoma State) L‐D 8‐1 13‐2/0‐0
David Dolan (Oklahoma State) L‐D 4‐3 13‐3/0‐0
Tyler Willers (Northern Iowa) L‐D 5‐1 13‐4/0‐0
Maryville Kaufman Brand Results – 3rd place
Matthew Moss (Bacone) W‐Pin 3:19 (2) 14‐4/0‐0
Latrell Hardison (McKendree) W‐TF 20‐4 15‐4/0‐0
John Muldoon (SIU‐E) W‐D 3‐1 16‐4/0‐0
Seth Gross (Iowa) L‐D 7‐2 16‐5/0‐0
Erik Spjut (Lyon) W‐D 4‐3 17‐5/0‐0
LeRoy Barnes (Missouri) W‐D 6‐1 18‐5/0‐0
Grand View Open – 3rd place
Tanner Mills (Minnesota State Mankato) W‐TF 21‐6 19‐5/0‐0
John Giofreddi (Grand View (Iowa)) W‐MD 20‐7 20‐5/0‐0
John Meeks (Iowa State) L‐D 5‐3 20‐6/0‐0
Tyler Willers (Northern Iowa) W‐MD 12‐4 21‐6/0‐0
Colton McCrystal (Nebraska) W‐D 4‐2 22‐6/0‐0
It's not just this thread. I'll come out and say it. Ihawkd9times adds nothing to this board but negativity and attacks on wrestlers and simply repeats his moronic opinion louder and with more paragraphs every time so he think's he's "winning". He has no actual knowledge of what happens in IC and from what I can tell knows very little about actual wrestling. He just armchair quarterbacks from hundreds of miles away and hopes to be able to say "I told you so" on the off chance he's correct.
And to top it off the dude just seems like a giant f*cking douchebag.
And to top it off the dude just seems like a giant f*cking douchebag.
I am going to guess that Ihawkd grew up getting stuck every match and cried to his mom that he was being choked or some other BS. The sky is falling, the sky is falling!
The fact he is the only 1 of the 3 sticking it out and trying to get back on the team would seem to explain why it is just him and not all 3, has nothing to do with guilt of any of them.
Yeah, I was starting to wonder if anyone was going to chime in on that. Nice catch, OWF.Technically...it was two different sentences...as long as we are picking nits.
ey I didn't jump to any conclusions. Quite frankly I was the one on this board saying take it easy on Ed Ruth until we here abut this. I have long said there a dirty cops and some things are tacked on for plea bargain purposes when some of these kids get arrested.
What I don't like is 1 of these 3 kids coming back, like the other 2 were the problem. Who has said he wasn't part of the problem? They were all involved and they were all punished. He is the only one that appears to want to return. All 3 were doing worse crimes than being drunk at a taco bell. While I don't know all the facts,Agreed, you don't know all of the facts and neither does anyone on this board. But it appears that the UofI knows more of the facts and they have decided to let him continue his education there. Not Brands decision but the UofI's. I know for a fact that in my view of the world, kids breaking into multiple cars and houses is worse than say just stealing something at a thrift store. There is a level above just being dumb to me. Im all for 2nd chances as well but this one just hasn't set right with me due to the nature of the crimes. Montell Marion being a dummy and walking home from a bar drunk and punching off a car windy is a dumb. Agreed, but you do realize that Montell had several run-ins with the police going back to his High School years where as far as we know, this is Ryan's first run-in. Going into peoples homes while they sleep is a notch above and a bit more of a character flaw. THis was a planned out spree, I haven't seen any evidence that this was a planned spree, not just a 1 minute horrible action. Sorry but this crime just doesn't sit well. im actually surprised nobody has said the same. Actually, plenty of other people said they were extremely disappointed and hoped that they would be booted from the team when this new first broke. But then again why when they see how I am treated.
I suspect this was PSU wrestlers you would be different. I saw the Alton get hung on here for less. But whatever. I said my peace and im done I have my doubts about this. .
Just having fun on that one, glad you and Rusty saw it that way!
I have done about the same many times I am sure.
I may have my points and my be negative at times out of frustration on where this program is. I say what I say but I don't attack posters. When was the last time I ever replied to any one of your comments going after you personally? I may go strongly into my POV and it may go off the rails however its still better than lowering yourself to personal attacks. Thanks for calling me F'ing DB over the internet. You clearly won the debate, outclassed me and I am the problem. Ill just stop posting until Spencer commits to us. It doesn't do any good, wastes too much of my time, and quite frankly I get all the info I need anyways. It was just a few of you I liked hearing your POV anyway.
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Well I'm a little late to the party, but I'll be the lone wolf to get I hawks back. He's right these charges, though pled down to misdemeanors by lawyers, are serious. I was dumb in college too, but more of the drink too much and bang a fat chick kind of dumb, not so much break into cars, steal things from people's garages kind of dumb. One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the fact that competing at a University is a privilege not a right. If any of these kids get back on the team it reflects even worse on our team. It shows a lack of standards. It's not like we're talking about some upstart program that's trying to get it's feet off the ground. We talking about the f**king University Iowa wrestling team! We ARE the gold standard in wrestling and out wrestlers are supposed to have better character than this. I hawk is also right when he said that this board has lynched all kinds of wrestlers from other programs who committed far less serious acts than this. The Alton's got hammered on here for a drunken fight at a party. Ed Ruth got ripped for getting drunk and fighting with bouncers at a bar. And of course there's Andrew Long, who got drunk and had sex with his buddy's mom while she was passed out drunk. All three of these guys got it from this board because they are from PSU. Many blasted Cael for not punishing his kids, having an out of control program etc. Let's not be hypocrites on here, let's hold our wrestlers and our program accountable.
When this whole thing broke, it was ihawk who was giving these kids the benefit of the doubt (to a fault I might add). He strikes me as a passionate Hawkeye fan who, like me gets pissed when they lose and gets even more pissed when guys take for granted the privilege that they have been given (that most of us would kill for) and hurt our team's image in the process.
I think its pretty out of line to call a poster a f***ing douchebag because he doesn't think these kids should be allowed back on the team BTW.
Don't let em get you down I hawk, keep bringing that passion bud! Everything will be right with the world once Lee signs (keeping my fingers crossed).
When this whole thing broke, it was ihawk who was giving these kids the benefit of the doubt (to a fault I might add). He strikes me as a passionate Hawkeye fan who, like me gets pissed when they lose and gets even more pissed when guys take for granted the privilege that they have been given (that most of us would kill for) and hurt our team's image in the process.
I think its pretty out of line to call a poster a f***ing douchebag because he doesn't think these kids should be allowed back on the team BTW.
Don't let em get you down I hawk, keep bringing that passion bud! Everything will be right with the world once Lee signs (keeping my fingers crossed).
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I hope he gets to earn his way back on the team, so that Turk can redshirt this year.
Would it change your view a bit if I told you Logan didn't, or have anything to do with, stealing or breaking into anything at all?
considering he readily admits he doesn't have all the facts but then says it was planned out ahead of time, I"m going to guess the answer to your questions is no, no it would not change his mind at all.
I'm aware that Logan was the least culpable of the the three, which helped his criminal case obviously, but the fact that he was there, drunk, saw what was happening and then left with them knowing his buddy who was driving was also drink. Fails the good character, good judgement test. Does anyone Terry, Tom, McD, Metcalf, Gable etc would have done what Logan did if they were in the same decision? U know they wouldnt. IMHO he loses the privelage to represent the Iowa wrestling team.
The fact of the matter is nothing that is discussed here is going to make any difference what happens to any of the 3 kids involved. There are rules, parameters, procedures in place to deal with these kinds of things, that will have to be followed to allow anyone to return to the team. Those aren't our rules, they are the Universities. If the U of I clears him, and Brands says he's OK with it, fine by me. Not going to effect my life one way or the other, or anyone else on this board most likely.
dang guys ihawkd is one of ours and he is intitled to an opinion.i hope logan makes better decisions and makes whatever contribution he can.
I think a few posters should go at it on the Night of Conflict...................
It isn't so much his opinion. It's the other BS he spews. See the Spencer Lee thread as a primo example.
Some people can't handle the truth because it's not what Facebook said.
I want the board to know that I'm ready to step up and take Ihawk9 place! I have been going to counseling and realize all is well in Hawk Nation. I will post only things that will make Hawk fans feel good about themselves. I don't agree on his views about Ryan but he has his right to give his views just like you do. Name calling another poster who is from your board shouldn't happen. The young men made big mistakes and will pay for it, as for coming back on the team, the school has a lot to say about it. If it's ok by them then good for Ryan. Do you think there is a possibility that Jared could get his job back from Subway, now that would be a reason to be pissed off. Give I Hawk some slack, one of the few on this board that doesn't have Iowa shaded glasses on all the time. I hear big news coming
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Wow, dude. You've officially gone off the deep end. I've seen the last of your posts. See ya.
Here comes the point where all the gutless tough guys pile onto a poster when it's clear their opinion is unpopular. This is so predictable, especially from this f...in moran.
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And what was the last original thought or opinion you had? Isn't this the sort of crap post that we talked about trying to eliminate--piling on with insults for no other reason than to attack a poster whose opinion is obviously unpopular?
Since we are bring up stuff from a week old I guess I'll bite. Ihawkd said it himself so I gave him a little taste of his own medicine - "What I said may be rude or not PC but talking like Trump seems to be acceptable now. So deal with it. I know am not alone on what I just said." I know I'm not the only one with a less than favorable opinion of the guy (I wasn't even the only person on this thread to call him out).
Sorry that a stranger saying you SEEM like a d-bag hurt your feelings so much. For all I know you're a super nice guy who gives 80% of his income to the poor but when you post on HR about Iowa wrestling you come off like a lunatic. Insisting things are fact while admittedly having no inside knowledge of the program and then freaking out when people call you on it is certainly an interesting shtick. Even when people with direct knowledge of the situation refute your claims you still refuse to budge. Frankly, I stand by what I said.
Sorry that a stranger saying you SEEM like a d-bag hurt your feelings so much. For all I know you're a super nice guy who gives 80% of his income to the poor but when you post on HR about Iowa wrestling you come off like a lunatic. Insisting things are fact while admittedly having no inside knowledge of the program and then freaking out when people call you on it is certainly an interesting shtick. Even when people with direct knowledge of the situation refute your claims you still refuse to budge. Frankly, I stand by what I said.
Whenever I face a tough decision in my life I always turn to the simple acronym: WWTTMMGD (What Would Terry Tom McDonough Metcalf Gable Do?) You know what? More often then not, I come out on top.
Sometimes it's not what you say it's how you say it. I thought your original post was over the top and read as if you were angry and looking for an argument. I respect your opinion. I don't know the guy, or his background. All I do know is what he did is very upsetting and I'm with you about people who steal from others. I just don't know if he shouldn't get another chance. As far as his ability to earn the top spot that shouldn't be part of the discussion or decision making process for Tom. What ever Tom decides I'll be okay with it.
I think the decision is out of Brands hands and in the universities. I don't think Logan would be trying unless he had Tom's endorsement of at least a chance to prove himself which tells me that Logan's part was"lesser" than his comrades.
So let me get this straight...this is the type of kid you want in the room? Because I don't. It's one thing to drink and fight (granted you don't just go and attack people) and bang ugly chicks, it's another to be involved in a robbery.
My cousin was involved in the exact same manner it sounds like. He was there while his buddies broke into cars. His friends said that he was not involved and still he was charged because he deserved to be. He was being a follower and not a leader and as a result, he went off of someone else's moral compass and not his own. I don't feel bad for him and never will, he was a dumbass on that day. If he was a starter or simply in a D1 room, then I would've had no problem with him being sent home and not allowed back there. If I'm a recruits parents and I know my son would be hanging around that type of kid, it would turn me off. We don't want that associated with our program.
My cousin was involved in the exact same manner it sounds like. He was there while his buddies broke into cars. His friends said that he was not involved and still he was charged because he deserved to be. He was being a follower and not a leader and as a result, he went off of someone else's moral compass and not his own. I don't feel bad for him and never will, he was a dumbass on that day. If he was a starter or simply in a D1 room, then I would've had no problem with him being sent home and not allowed back there. If I'm a recruits parents and I know my son would be hanging around that type of kid, it would turn me off. We don't want that associated with our program.
"So let me get this straight...this is the type of kid you want in the room? Because I don't. It's one thing to drink and fight (granted you don't just go and attack people) and bang ugly chicks, it's another to be involved in a robbery."
Unless you know the facts--like the University,the AD and the head coach---then you don't know his "involvement" . Lets imagine that he had nothing to do with the robbery part and wasnt aware of any of that... I trust the process
Unless you know the facts--like the University,the AD and the head coach---then you don't know his "involvement" . Lets imagine that he had nothing to do with the robbery part and wasnt aware of any of that... I trust the process
I think what everyone needs to ask themselves is what would you do if that was your 18 or 19 year old kid in that situation. I would be pissed and want kill him for making such a stupid mistake, but at the end of the day tell him that he isn't running from his problems. For a lot of these wrestlers they grow up dreaming of be hawks and maybe this mistake will give him a little more drive and a more importantly a life lesson.
