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Looks more and more likely Ukraine will lose the war.

What I read is that Russia might have 2 maybe 3 years max before they are completely exhausted for tanks. War has already gone 2 years. It's very reasonable to think that if the US funded Ukraine for just 2 more years, Russia would have no ground capabilities and therefore a severely limited ability to keep the war going. So the talk that Ukraine can't push Russia out holds less water than some think.

If this goes on another 2 years, their could be a million dead.

That's a lot of dead bodies.
 
Russia is making massive offensive progress while Ukraine's supplies dwindle as Republicans continue to refuse to supply aid. Can this be perceived any other way beyond the Rs wanting Russia to win?
No, Republicans are pieces of shit. We’ve established that a long time ago.

With that said, we’ve wasted billions of dollars on Ukraine that should have been used in our own country.
 
Out of curiosity foe those of you wanting to make this a republican thing.



What's the dollar amount we need to send to make Ukraine beat Russia?

If we send 5 trillion does Ukraine suddenly win? 10? 25?
You’re right.

But two things can be true at the same time. Republicans who have sided with Putin from the beginning because of Donald Trump are irredeemable.
 
Pay now or pay later with American lives.
Really?

That’s basically along the same lines as justification for continuing the Vietnam War. Gotta stop the spread of Communism before it shows up on our doorstep!

Then there were the trillion dollar wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to get rid of Islamic terrorism.

And the beat goes on.
 
It's not money, it's ammunition and arms.
Which costs money.
So we would have been just as well off if we had taken billions and billions of dollars and made a giant pile and lit it on fire.
Yep.
Maybe you missed the memo but Republicans have not refused to supply Ukraine. They refuse to supply Ukraine unless Biden agrees to take concrete action to defend our southern border. That is the only way the Republicans feel they can get Biden to do the right thing to protect America. If Biden and the left were so concerned about Ukraine, why won't they agree to help solve our HUGE problem here? Sounds like Biden and the left don't care as much about Ukraine as they would like you to believe.
Bullshit.

Republicans acted at the behest of their wannabe dictator. They are Donald Trump’s bottom bitch.

Get a clue.
 
Out of curiosity foe those of you wanting to make this a republican thing.



What's the dollar amount we need to send to make Ukraine beat Russia?

If we send 5 trillion does Ukraine suddenly win? 10? 25?

What price would you put on keeping a population of ~44 million humans seeking a democratic rules based future out from under the thumb of the 21st Century’s number one mass murder and terrorist?
 
No different than mine, you have an issue you are passionate about but unwilling to go down assist with it, yet barking at others for a similar type issue. Get off your high horse.

Ukraine is asking for volunteers to fight. The Border Patrol isn't.
 
What price would you put on keeping a population of ~44 million humans seeking a democratic rules based future out from under the thumb of the 21st Century’s number one mass murder and terrorist?

One could argue that they have a strange way of showing it.

Despite his leadership defects and character flaws, Yanukovych had been duly elected in balloting that international observers considered reasonably free and fair—about the best standard one can hope for outside the mature Western democracies.

 
One could argue that they have a strange way of showing it.

Despite his leadership defects and character flaws, Yanukovych had been duly elected in balloting that international observers considered reasonably free and fair—about the best standard one can hope for outside the mature Western democracies.


Northern, where did Yanukovych flee to after his security goons mass murdered his own citizens?
 
Ukraine is asking for volunteers to fight. The Border Patrol isn't.
Bullshit, they need more soldiers, but volunteering over there isn't the way dumbass. It would be to have the US assist. Border Patrol claims they are over run, its why Iowa and other republican states keep sending troops, unless you think its just an imaginative problem and there really isn't an issue. LOL.
 
I support the following.

1. Fund Ukraine until Russia is decimated.
2. Fund Israel until Hamas is wiped off the earth.
3. I support a secure border and support H.R.2, which was passed by Congress last year. I do not support the useless bill the Senate passed.

It’s stupid that these can be tied together, but it’s the only way to get leverage. I have yet to have a single D give me legitimate reasons why H.R.2 is a bad bill. It’s been on Schumer’s desk for almost a year.
 
What kind of help do you think I need?

And we are not friends.
Maybe lay off the abuser bs. It’s bs for those that attack Chis for his past DUIs. It’s ok to have civil discussions and disagreements, but being an adult bully is pretty disgusting. And I would agree with Northern to maybe look in the mirror and get some help. I thought I read posts from you a while back where you disagreed with those on the right attacking Chis. I really don’t care for Chis and his style of posting. I too have advised him to seek help for his mental health, but any other attacks are just internet bullying. It’s not a good look.
 
Maybe lay off the abuser bs. It’s bs for those that attack Chis for his past DUIs. It’s ok to have civil discussions and disagreements, but being an adult bully is pretty disgusting. And I would agree with Northern to maybe look in the mirror and get some help. I thought I read posts from you a while back where you disagreed with those on the right attacking Chis. I really don’t care for Chis and his style of posting. I too have advised him to seek help for his mental health, but any other attacks are just internet bullying. It’s not a good look.
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Chishawk was actually being doxxed.
 
Really?

That’s basically along the same lines as justification for continuing the Vietnam War. Gotta stop the spread of Communism before it shows up on our doorstep!

Then there were the trillion dollar wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to get rid of Islamic terrorism.

And the beat goes on.
I think this is different. Putin is a sociopath and is much more closely aligned with Stalin than any other Russian leader since. He kills adversaries with impunity and his overarching goal is to restore the borders of the old Soviet Union to the greatest extent possible. He has created a puppet regime in Belarus and aims to do the same in Ukraine and Georgia where similar military incursions have taken place and reshaped borders over the last several years.

Putin will only stop his imperialist goals when the cost of doing so hurts him internally. If allowed to just roll through his neighborhood he will only get stronger.
 
I think this is different. Putin is a sociopath and is much more closely aligned with Stalin than any other Russian leader since. He kills adversaries with impunity and his overarching goal is to restore the borders of the old Soviet Union to the greatest extent possible. He has created a puppet regime in Belarus and aims to do the same in Ukraine and Georgia where similar military incursions have taken place and reshaped borders over the last several years.

Putin will only stop his imperialist goals when the cost of doing so hurts him internally. If allowed to just roll through his neighborhood he will only get stronger.
Could you clarify what you see as being different as it relates to critique of my post?
 
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Chishawk was actually being doxxed.
What ever it takes to justify being a bully in your head. Why can’t you just have a normal conversation with someone without bringing up personal BS. Nobody really knows what Northerns personal life and relationship with his wife is really like irl. But apparently it’s fair game to you to attack? Seems a bit childish.
 
Could you clarify what you see as being different as it relates to critique of my post?
You were referring to battling an ideology with the outside military. Vietnam and Afghanistan were embroiled in civil wars of an ideological nature. Those wars, along with Iraq were pure folly. Putin is an expansionist aggressor with no ideology bent on securing his place in history by invading sovereign nations and restoring the Soviet Union. He's closer to Hitler than people would like to think.
 
What ever it takes to justify being a bully in your head. Why can’t you just have a normal conversation with someone without bringing up personal BS. Nobody really knows what Northerns personal life and relationship with his wife is really like irl. But apparently it’s fair game to you to attack? Seems a bit childish.
Uhmmm…perhaps you missed the part where he said something about me day drinking and having mental health issues?

That’s what I responded to.

Jesus Christ.
 
You were referring to battling an ideology with the outside military. Vietnam and Afghanistan were embroiled in civil wars of an ideological nature. Those wars, along with Iraq were pure folly. Putin is an expansionist aggressor with no ideology bent on securing his place in history by invading sovereign nations and restoring the Soviet Union. He's closer to Hitler than people would like to think.
Okay, now I see your point.

It’s a fair distinction.

I really hope he doesn’t rise to the level of Hitler in terms of expansion aspirations, but that’s exactly what people hoped about Hitler before Hitler conquered all of Europe.

I sure hope you’re wrong.
 
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