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*****MAGA in disarray, who will be speaker of the House***** McCarthy REMOVED! Jim Jordan 0-3. Election denier Mike Johnson confirmed. Vote them out

Point is McCarthy is probably better than the replacement will be...

Put forward a clean CR that got over 200 D votes to keep the government open.

Next R speaker will probably be able to get a "loaded" CR through his own caucus....unlike McCarthy. We'll see...

McCarthy was in a very weak position with his own caucus...D's could have used that as leverage over him.

I have serious doubts that'll be the case with the next R speaker....but we'll see.
These are fair points to a degree but as others have already stated, it ultimately is a republican problem. Also, McCarthy had an opportunity to make a deal with the Dems but declined.
 
These are fair points to a degree but as others have already stated, it ultimately is a republican problem. Also, McCarthy had an opportunity to make a deal with the Dems but declined.
Fair enough.

The post mortem on this will be interesting. If the "one idiot can bring up a vote to vacate" rule somehow gets tossed the next speaker might actually be in a stronger position.

We'll see.
 
Fair enough.

The post mortem on this will be interesting. If the "one idiot can bring up a vote to vacate" rule somehow gets tossed the next speaker might actually be in a stronger position.

We'll see.
I’ve been avoiding your nonsense throughout this thread, but your response above gives me a very tiny ray of hope. So, against my better judgment, I’ll give an answer to your question about the benefit to the country provided by ousting McCarthy.

The dude had worked himself into an untenable position where he was trusted by no one and could be taken down by anyone. THAT is not good for the House of Representatives and certainly not good for the country. Ousting McCarthy gives them a mulligan and the opportunity to do better this time.

I hope against all hope that there are still a few well meaning conservatives left that want to do better and have a functioning House. But that is up to them to decide whether they are beholden to America or beholden to MAGA-stan.

The Democrats are the minority so they can’t make this happen, they can only “put Rs in a position to have success”. It’s kinda like teaching your kids to drive; you can offer advice and practice with them and show them how, but at some point, they’ve got to get behind the wheel and drive.
 
I’ve been avoiding your nonsense throughout this thread, but your response above gives me a very tiny ray of hope. So, against my better judgment, I’ll give an answer to your question about the benefit to the country provided by ousting McCarthy.

The dude had worked himself into an untenable position where he was trusted by no one and could be taken down by anyone. THAT is not good for the House of Representatives and certainly not good for the country. Ousting McCarthy gives them a mulligan and the opportunity to do better this time.

I hope against all hope that there are still a few well meaning conservatives left that want to do better and have a functioning House. But that is up to them to decide whether they are beholden to America or beholden to MAGA-stan.

The Democrats are the minority so they can’t make this happen, they can only “put Rs in a position to have success”. It’s kinda like teaching your kids to drive; you can offer advice and practice with them and show them how, but at some point, they’ve got to get behind the wheel and drive.
This is spot on
 
Which begs the question: how does McCarthy get the votes? He will need at least some of the people who voted to remove him to suddenly vote to reinstall him.

My bet:

He’s going to say put me back in without the crazy conditions, get 210 R’s, and cut a deal with the D’s in the name of national unity in light of Israel; perhaps adding in a funding bill for more than 45 days w both Ukraine and Israel as a condition for D votes.
 
Moderates need to decide which will be politically worse for them cutting a deal with Dems or having Jordan as speaker.
I can't envision any R voting for Jeffries. I think Kevin will get back in. But he will have to make major concessions to do so.
 
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Oh absolutely. They put the stupid rule in place.

But here’s the thing..team blue pretends to be the party that puts country before party. Country first, team politics second.

Question: Other than owning team red what was the upside of voting out McCarthy for the D’s. Specifically for the country.

I can’t think of one…can you?
1. Getting rid of a feckless, shitty speaker
2. Exposing the idiocy of House Republicans heading into an election year

I could go on, but those two are more than enough to make it a good decision.
 
1. Getting rid of a feckless, shitty speaker
2. Exposing the idiocy of House Republicans heading into an election year

I could go on, but those two are more than enough to make it a good decision.
It’d be nice to have a speaker at the moment. Just sayin…
 
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I can't envision any R voting for Jeffries. I think Kevin will get back in. But he will have to make major concessions to do so.
The deal i meant is to get some safe or moderate Dems to vote for a Republican. Enough to outvote the showboats
 
Scalise or Jordan? On January 6th 2021 both voted not to certify Biden's election win, even after Trump's thugs raided the Capitol. Their vote to not certify in effect disenfranchised American voters. Therefore, both men should be disqualified from holding the speakership.
 
Point is McCarthy is probably better than the replacement will be...

Put forward a clean CR that got over 200 D votes to keep the government open.

Next R speaker will probably be able to get a "loaded" CR through his own caucus....unlike McCarthy. We'll see...

McCarthy was in a very weak position with his own caucus...D's could have used that as leverage over him.

I have serious doubts that'll be the case with the next R speaker....but we'll see.
Once again you want the Democrats to take the high road, and then you’d turn around and vote Nikki Haley. They’re the only adults in Washington and you hold it against them if they don’t, AGAIN, bail out the do nothing Republicans. It makes zero sense.
 
Actually I'm team USA.

It's not a good situation to have no speaker in the house at the moment. Israel situation/Ukraine aid and another CR coming up....

208 D's voted with Gaetz to make that happen.

Now the dysfunctional R's will spend a couple weeks coming up with a new speaker.

Great.

Congrats on the W for team blue.
No you aren’t. You’re team bury your head in the sand.
 
Once again you want the Democrats to take the high road, and then you’d turn around and vote Nikki Haley. They’re the only adults in Washington and you hold it against them if they don’t, AGAIN, bail out the do nothing Republicans. It makes zero sense.
Hope you like the replacement…
 
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I used to think bins was just a misunderstood and uninteresting poster that just struggled with using humor. What has been made clear is that he's actually a really effective troll through just shear force of will. Going back and forth repeating essentially the same thing over and over to several different posters, concurrently.

It's effective trolling in terms of getting attention from other posters, but it really isn't entertaining from a following the back and forth dialog perspective. Although, sometimes it can be amusing to watch posters humiliate themselves, and it's approaching that level.
 
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