*****MAGA in disarray, who will be speaker of the House***** McCarthy REMOVED! Jim Jordan 0-3. Election denier Mike Johnson confirmed. Vote them out

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Is that the Dems fault too?

What’s with all this “fault” crap?

I’ve never said it was the Democrats “fault”.

If Jordan gets elected speaker it’s all on team red.

But the D’s could have prevented the possibility. That’s just a fact. I realize in today’s political environment it was a pipe dream to think the D’s would throw a couple votes McCarthys way to prevent the current shit show and maybe someone like Jordan getting the speakership.

Letting the R’s shoot themselves in the face was just too irresistible.

If Jordan gets speaker Ukraine aid is dead…which has been the impetus for me bringing this subject up in the first place.

Let’s hope Jordan can’t get enough votes…

 

[Chishawk1425]

Jeffries for Speaker. Team USA 🇺🇸 and Team Adult.

 

[RileyHawk]

What’s with all this “fault” crap?

I’ve never said it was the Democrats “fault”.

If Jordan gets elected speaker it’s all on them.

But the D’s could have prevented the possibility. That’s just a fact. I realize in today’s political environment it was a pipe dream to think the D’s would throw a couple votes to prevent the current shit show and maybe someone like Jordan getting the speakership.

Letting the R’s shoot themselves in the face was just too irresistible.

It's also a fact that Dems voted against McCarthy EVERY TIME. And that it was already a shit show. And that the republicans could vote in someone better than either McCarthy or Jordan. But you ignore those facts.

 

[DFSNOLE]

What’s with all this “fault” crap?

I’ve never said it was the Democrats “fault”.

If Jordan gets elected speaker it’s all on them.

But the D’s could have prevented the possibility. That’s just a fact. I realize in today’s political environment it was a pipe dream to think the D’s would throw a couple votes McCarthys way to prevent the current shit show and maybe someone like Jordan getting the speakership.

Letting the R’s shoot themselves in the face was just too irresistible.

If Jordan gets speaker Ukraine aid is dead…which has been the impetus for me bringing this subject up in the first place.

Let’s hope Jordan can’t get enough votes…

You just placed blame without using the word. It seems to be clear to everyone other than you.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

You just placed blame without using the word. It seems to be clear to everyone other than you.

Seems that way

 

[TC Nole OX]

Save yourself a lot of time. With BSB, democrats are to blame for everything always.

 

[fsu1jreed]

I’ve been sick of MAGA from the start.

Yea, that's why you keep taking up for Trump

 

[auntie_fah]

Yea, that's why you keep taking up for Trump

I dont know if he takes up for trump per se. he just seems takes up for the anti democratic party position….it just so happens that a lot of it is anti trump. Its a trait common among a lot of the “both sides” or “i dont support trump” people

 

[fsu1jreed]

I dont know if he takes up for trump per se. he just seems takes up for the anti democratic party position….it just so happens that a lot of it is anti trump. Its a trait common among a lot of the “both sides” or “i dont support trump” people

Nah, he's came to his defense plenty of times

 

[Huey Grey]

I've never seen a poster get so completely beat down on a single issue. Even the trolls get bored after a while.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

The country needs about 7-8 moderate Republicans who don’t care about being primaried and are fed up with the shit to join forces with Democrats. All these pussies need to quit worrying about their own skinny necks.

And again...hell no. Those "moderate" Republicans would have to formally switch parties, become Democrats, and elect Jeffries for that to have a prayer.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Yea, that's why you keep taking up for Trump

when? Use the quote function.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

And again...hell no. Those "moderate" Republicans would have to formally switch parties, become Democrats, and elect Jeffries for that to have a prayer.

Couldn’t they just vote “present” and let the Democrats win the majority vote by default?

I’m sure the Far Right would be furious. But if they represent districts that voted for Biden, they should be safe from being primaried and they would score points with moderates for their bipartisanship.

 

[fsu1jreed]

when? Use the quote function.

Huh, you've came into numerous Trump threads playing devil advocate, at worse

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Huh, you've came into numerous Trump threads playing devil advocate, at worse

Should be easy to quote something then.

 

[TC Nole OX]

 

[TC Nole OX]

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[tarheelbybirth]

Couldn’t they just vote “present” and let the Democrats win the majority vote by default?

I’m sure the Far Right would be furious. But if they represent districts that voted for Biden, they should be safe from being primaried and they would score points with moderates for their bipartisanship.

But unless they vote with the Dems on legislation, it's meaningless. The GOP still has the majority. Jeffries can't force them to do anything as Speaker.

 

[Chishawk1425]

It's been nice attending numerous kids sports events and watching the Hawkeyes, now back to this freaking joke. Stop voting Republican.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

But unless they vote with the Dems on legislation, it's meaningless. The GOP still has the majority. Jeffries can't force them to do anything as Speaker.

It’s still better than having an election-denying Trump cultist second in line to the Presidency.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

It’s still better than having an election-denying Trump cultist second in line to the Presidency.

It makes a Democrat the "leader" of a shit show GOP caucus. All it does is give them someone to blame for their dysfunction. Thanks, but no thanks. Jordan is never getting the needed number of votes anyway. His own side hates his guts.

 

[Chishawk1425]

Hakeem Jeffries for Speaker.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

It would also be another crack in the power of the Trump Cult over the GOP.

 

[sober_teacher]

It would also be another crack in the power of the Trump Cult over the GOP.

There about 1,000 such cracks at this point that they’ve been able to tape over so far. To this point this seems like the biggest one so far.

Not sure there’s a historical comp to point to politically-it’s been obvious for years now that the GOP needed to change in order to survive. Instead they’ve repeatedly doubled down, seemingly believing they could stave off the inevitable indefinitely.

Now they finally seem to have at least some members in Congress realizing the waiter is coming with the bill.

 

[Tom Paris]

I've never seen a poster get so completely beat down on a single issue. Even the trolls get bored after a while.

@Pinehawk and anything having to do with education.

 

[Chishawk1425]

@Pinehawk and anything having to do with education.

@Phenomenally Frantastic and Elon as well

 

[lucas80]

Here's the thing ... it's not even Kevin's fault. No speaker will be able to control this animal. The MAGA faction is full of anarchists that have no clue how government works. We literally tried to warn you all 7 years ago but you let Trump in and now the cancer has spread. Reap what you sow GOP.

The GOP caucus is filled with people who simply believe government shouldn’t work. Some of them are anarchists. Some of them are in Congress purely to build their own brands, and not to govern.

 

[lucas80]

If the RNC had any self-awareness they ought to find and support candidates that can legit serve as primary challenges to Gaetz and co. Even if you only oust a handful of them, it would send a powerful message.

This is one of the things Kevin traded away, and why douche bags like Gaetz are so emboldened.

 

[Pinehawk]

@Pinehawk and anything having to do with education.

I’ve been right all along the way on this issue.
But, you are triggered.

 

[sober_teacher]

I’ve been right all along the way on this issue.
But, you are triggered.

No, you really haven’t.

 

[Pinehawk]

No, you really haven’t.

I thought you don’t have kids. You may be lacking a key perspective on this issue, and instead are very defensive because of your career, which you value so much that it’s part of your user name.

 

[sober_teacher]

I thought you don’t have kids. You may be lacking a key perspective on this issue, and instead are very defensive because of your career, which you value so much that it’s part of your user name.

It’s amazing that you can remember I don’t have kids yet not remember that I am no longer a teacher. You also seem to conveniently forget that I’ve on numerous occasions say that the voucher program itself is not what I have a problem with.

You on the other hand think there are no flaws with the voucher system but don’t seem to care about the overwhelming majority of kids in Iowa who will never benefit from vouchers and whom Iowa republicans don’t seem to care about.

 

[Pinehawk]

I’ve never said there are no flaws. Or, that a majority of kids would benefit from the program.
You are just making things up to get angry about. But, I do think the state should fund the education of all children, regardless of the designation of “public” or “private“, of their school choice.

Of course, not all kids and families will be able to access the program. Even if they want to. There are decades of funding and infrastructure obstacles to overcome. This is the real world, not some abstract theory. But, that of course shouldn’t mean that we don’t make progress for some families when possible, and continue to refine and improve the program as it evolves.

 

[fsu1jreed]

Should be easy to quote something then.

Dude, don't play... everyone knows

 

[sober_teacher]

I’ve never said there are no flaws. Or, that a majority of kids would benefit from the program.
You are just making things up to get angry about. But, I do think the state should fund the education of all children, regardless of the designation of “public” or “private“, of their school choice.

Of course, not all kids and families will be able to access the program. Even if they want to. There are decades of funding and infrastructure obstacles to overcome. This is the real world, not some abstract theory. But, that of course shouldn’t mean that we don’t make progress for some families when possible, and continue to refine and improve the program as it evolves.

The problem however is that with public schools, there are rules, oversight in place. One of my primary objections to the voucher program is that there’s no rules or strings attached. Private schools can turn away anyone they want, which in its own establishes that this is not true school choice for the parents.

 

[nu2u]

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This tells me something I’ve strongly suspected from the beginning — a coalition of Republicans will not vote for a Speaker without ironclad assurances that legislation to aid Ukraine is presented for House vote.

This has been the case all along. Many Republican reps are strongly pro-Ukraine and additional aid is a non-negotiable issue in their Speaker vote.

First, this justifies Jeffries strategy to make the Republicans fix their self- inflicted mess.

Second, this defeats the argument posed by binsfield that Dems should have saved McCarthy in order to protect financial aid for Ukraine. It has always had substantial Republican support.

 

[Pinehawk]

The problem however is that with public schools, there are rules, oversight in place. One of my primary objections to the voucher program is that there’s no rules or strings attached. Private schools can turn away anyone they want, which in its own establishes that this is not true school choice for the parents.

Private schools answer to their School Board and parents. Just like public schools. If the results weren’t there, people wouldn’t have been attending and financially supporting these institutions for decades. Maybe some of those ‘rules and strings’ have been a net negative, and some families want something different. Nobody ever claimed it’s some utopian true school choice program. But, it will be a great opportunity for many families. And, if they aren’t happy with the experience, then they’ll leave for another school.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Private schools answer to their School Board and parents. Just like public schools. If the results weren’t there, people wouldn’t have been attending and financially supporting these institutions for decades. Maybe some of those ‘rules and strings’ have been a net negative, and some families want something different. Nobody ever claimed it’s some utopian true school choice program. But, it will be a great opportunity for many families. And, if they aren’t happy with the experience, then they’ll leave for another school.

Private schools answer to their accountants and they define “success” however they please. If they want PUBLIC money, they should answer to the same public that public schools do. Why are you so frightened by that?

 

[SolarHawk]

This thread sure derailed lol

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Dude, don't play... everyone knows

So nothing.