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*****MAGA in disarray, who will be speaker of the House***** McCarthy REMOVED! Jim Jordan 0-3. Election denier Mike Johnson confirmed. Vote them out

I generally like Bins, so I won't pile on too heavily.

But it is quite amusing that the main driver of his weirdly Quixotic gaslighting attempt in this thread centered on how terrible it was "the democrats" participated in McCarthy's downfall because he thought it would imperil Ukraine funding.

Well, a funny thing about that . . .



Turns out, dumping McCarthy and gaining concessions is likely to INCREASE the likelihood of forcing GOP support for ongoing Ukraine funding.

It is probably time for you to admit you were wrong on this, Bins.
We'll see.

The main driver of my "gas lighting" attempt was Ukraine aid.

I think it had a better shot at going through with McCarthy...since he included it in the CR that the Gaetz crew voted down before he went with the "clean" CR.

There's also the fact Gaetz cited McCarthy's "secret" deal with Joe on Ukraine aid when making the motion to vacate



I'll gladly admit I was wrong if it goes through. In fact it probably will if McHenry is empowered to do so...
 
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Here's the pitch: A person whose entire existence has been to throw bombs at the establishment, in hopes of creating disarray, is now trying to be a bridge builder in hopes of keeping the establishment together...so he can later destroy it from within.

I'd pay $12.50.
 
Question: is the McCarthy rules package something that can’t be changed? If someone can get elected speaker, can they change the rules? Obviously I’m talking about the 1 vote to vacate rule.
 
Here's the pitch: A person whose entire existence has been to throw bombs at the establishment, in hopes of creating disarray, is now trying to be a bridge builder in hopes of keeping the establishment together...so he can later destroy it from within.

I'd pay $12.50.
I, on the other hand, would not pay $12.50 if you gave me the money.

Where are the f*cking adults in the GOP willing to cross the aisle and negotiate with the Dems?
 
I, on the other hand, would not pay $12.50 if you gave me the money.

Where are the f*cking adults in the GOP willing to cross the aisle and negotiate with the Dems?
There were 8 idiots who did that and put us into this mess. The Dems have said "This is your problem. Figure it out." They're not gonna save the GOP from themselves and I don't blame them.
 
Where are the f*cking adults in the GOP willing to cross the aisle and negotiate with the Dems?

Most likely, they have been told that anyone who makes a deal with democrats will be banned from lobbying opportunities after they leave office. That is on top of being told that they will be primaried and cut off from party funding.

When Trent Lott was pushed out of the Senate Republican Leader job for saying something offensive, there was a concern that he would switch parties. I remember reading that he was told that he would be cut off from lobbying if he caused any trouble.
 
The only reason he could possibly want to keep (in effect) getting his ass kicked with these votes is the money that is backing him is forcing him to do so.

There can't be any other reason. He's being told "if you don't win this for us, we'll put our money behind someone else that will."
 
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At this point all MAGA politicians and EVERYONE that votes for ANY MAGA politicians are PIECES OF SHIT

There’s a reason why the GQP was in the minority from 1929 to 1995, with the exception of 2 years in the late 40s. Generations of people understood how staggeringly incompetent and destructive they are. They knew better than to allow them to hold power.
 
We'll see.

The main driver of my "gas lighting" attempt was Ukraine aid.

I think it had a better shot at going through with McCarthy...since he included it in the CR that the Gaetz crew voted down before he went with the "clean" CR.

There's also the fact Gaetz cited McCarthy's "secret" deal with Joe on Ukraine aid when making the motion to vacate



I'll gladly admit I was wrong if it goes through. In fact it probably will if McHenry is empowered to do so...
LOL - you mean the guy who was so committed to Ukraine aid that he dropped it out of the CR? JFC man, you are a walking contradiction.

Fat chance at you admitting you are wrong.
 
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