Okay so we all agree. If Teske beats Bouzakis, Tom is a genius. And if he loses, we get our pitchforks?
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He teched the 9 seed and split with the 4. 9 is the absolute lowest he would have been. All this information is public btw.
Not to be the guy who points out that the sky remains exactly in place this morning, but do we really think that a guy with the following characteristics is going to be overlooked for an at-large bid to NCAAs even if he goes 0-2 (including one loss against #10 Nic Bouzakis) at Big 10s?
Teske
--is a 3x NCAA qualifier,
--has 5 wins at NCAAs in his career,
--is a former Big 12 Champ,
--is a former Big 12 Runner-up,
--is currently ranked by Flo as #20 at 133, and
--is currently 9-3 in 2024, has 50% bonus rate, wrestles at Iowa, and has losses only to Top 10 guys (Frost and Fix) and a Top 20 guy (Van Dee).
I'm not saying that I think Iowa's coaches were good, bad, or just ugly in Teske-gate 2.0, but how likely is it really that Teske misses out on Nationals due to 0-2 from 14 seed?
Teske
--is a 3x NCAA qualifier,
--has 5 wins at NCAAs in his career,
--is a former Big 12 Champ,
--is a former Big 12 Runner-up,
--is currently ranked by Flo as #20 at 133, and
--is currently 9-3 in 2024, has 50% bonus rate, wrestles at Iowa, and has losses only to Top 10 guys (Frost and Fix) and a Top 20 guy (Van Dee).
I'm not saying that I think Iowa's coaches were good, bad, or just ugly in Teske-gate 2.0, but how likely is it really that Teske misses out on Nationals due to 0-2 from 14 seed?
Wish I could adopt your even-tempered reaction, but let’s face it, Tom will never graduate from Candyland and Shutes & Ladders.
And there have been way too many Shutes (not to be confused with shots…..unless you’re VT).
literally NOTHING you listed above matters except for his record this year.
they don't just pick who they want for at-large bids...there is criteria
To be eligible for at-large consideration, a wrestler must participate at least two (2) matches in his respective conference tournament AND, meet or exceed any two of the following criteria: .700 Win% (no), Top 33 RPI (no), Top 33 Coaches Ranking (maybe? gonna be dicey if he goes 0-2), One win against a wrestler receiving automatic qualification via an earned position (pre-allocated) (assuming Van Dee finishes top 7, yes), Qualifying event placement one below automatic qualification (no).
Almost none of this will be considered if he needs an at large.
Okay, lets say thats where he would be genius. That means he would have to win his first round against the 8 or 9 depending on which he was, then he would have the #1 second match. I prefer the 14 against the 3 first match, in THIS case. I will add, if Teske wrestles like he did against Fix this entire tournament he could win it!
No way. we dodged a bullet if he wins. Still bungled.
If he loses? Yeah. Pitchforks seem about right.
So Teske 0-2 at Big Tens would satisfy the 2 match conference requirement AND be in the Top 33 coaches ranking + meet the win vs auto-qualifier assuming either Wisenhunt or Van Dee gets an auto-qualification.
Would then need to have a better resume *this year* than the other wildcard candidates.
Come on dude. I subscribed to your enthusiasm earlier in the season, but face it, they screwed the pooch, AGAIN. It’s not fair to the wrestlers, their families, or the fans. We need a new staff before they run our brand into the mud. Or re-establish it as one of epic foolishness.
You hear that noise? It is the entire effin wrestling world pointing and laughing at us, AGAIN. Count all the effin mother-effin eff ups in this effin program in the past effin 12 months. Effin pisses me off, and it should piss you off too.
We have the resources to be so much better, but we ain’t got the smarts. That needs to change.
How do you figure, his path on the back side could be just as tough. He would have one more match to win but we dont know who he would be wrestling on the back side. How much difference is there between Brown/Shawver and Nageo/Vandee
In other words, “I have no idea what’s going on, but I love Tom no matter wut”
2 matches is not one of the criteria that you need to meet 2 of to qualify
teske is 25 in coaches poll now...if he goes 0-2 i wouldn't be shocked to see him slide all the way out
And Again you are Wrong. I have stated many times we could use some adjustments to the staff, but if there are adjustments its below TnT. That said, You and many others need to get your head out your asses and start to understand how difficult it is to be top 5 every year these days. Yes PSU is the best right now, but TnT are the only ones that is consistently a threat while having a lot less to work with, this is improving and needs to Improve. We are still knocking, and will continue to do so. Dont give me the garbage that there is a better option out there, there is NOT. So sit back and enjoy while we finish strong.
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So your words are “I have no argument or valid points so I will just say you have no idea. Very well done, and you are a Moran if you dont like TnT
Ok.
Taking into account a loss to Bouzakis and then Purdue's Dustin Norris (Teske majored last season and Cullan majored this season, so Norris will have had to get much better recently), Teske is very unlikely to have any head-to-head losses this year to other wildcard candidates (which is where losing only to Fix, VanDee, Frost matters), has 1 quality win (which is likely as good as at least the 5th-best fellow candidate), will be at a 64% win percentage, etc.
I am not arguing that the coaches getting Teske a 14 seed is good, but Teske has to be bad enough to lose to Norris. If Teske is losing to Norris when his NCAA berth is known to be riding on the match, Teske was very unlikely to win from the 8, 9, 10, or 11 seeds too.
The 2 matches at conference tournament, according to what you provided, is a condition. It's the reason Carter, if he defaults, will take 2 losses rather than 1 loss. It is also why we would need to assume an 0-2 for Teske and not just one loss to Bouzakis.
I agree that 0-2, with a loss to Norris, would make things dicey in terms of the Coaches Poll given Teske's current #25 ranking, but the loss to Bouzakis isn't going to hurt Teske at all in the Coaches Ranking. The loss to Norris would certainly hurt quite a bit, but he would still have wins over both current #15 Van Dee and current #32 Whisenhunt. If Whisenhunt stays in the rankings, tough to take Teske out.
yes...its a condition. but it's not part of the list of conditions that you need 2 of to qualify (that capitalized AND is important)
"a wrestler must participate at least two (2) matches in his respective conference tournament AND, meet or exceed any two of the following criteria:"
i don't think this is going to matter because teske will do enough to either finish top 7 or get an at-large (wouldn't be shocked to see him finish 8th)
the frustrating part is that his performance this season earned him a seed better than LAST IN THE BIG TEN but because of actions outside his control, that's now where he sits
Now I understand what you were making clear. I understood from the language you provided which extra elements needed at least 2 satisfactions from the group, but now also understand why you were making sure.
From the 2-or-more grouping, I think Teske will be fine based on Coaches Poll (but close) and Win Over Auto-Qualifier. Teske would have to drop 9 spots based on the loss to Norris to drop out of the poll.
My initial response was that it is unlikely to matter for Teske making NCAAs. You agree. Regarding the frustration, I agree with you. Far away from "you get what you earn" when your coaches do this.
This just isn't true. His path to qualify would have been significantly better at the 9 seed.
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. 14 seeds are actually better than higher seeds.
He's more likely to be 1-2 (L Bouzakis, W Norris, L Nagao/Van Dee), which would leave him 8-5 against D1 133 opponents and below the 70% win threshold and also below the 15 match minimum for RPI, so it would depend on whether 8-5 and a 9th+ finish at B1Gs with no bad losses but only 1 quality win (in a tournament against a guy who beat him in the duals) would be good enough to hang on to a coaches rank. It's dicey, but I would bet he gets in anyway, but all of this is unnecessary if Tom would just fill out the paperwork correctly.
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The real question is will any of the Iowa wrestling "reporters" have the guts to ask Tom about this and if they do, will he hostilely deflect the question?
Bullshit. We are top 5 perennially because of brand and DESPITE Brands. But even that has a shelf life and can’t last with the perpetual snafus and negative drama around this program. Get your head out of Tom’s ass.
Give Koll, Pop, Storniolo, Pendleton, etc. the brand and the resources of Iowa Hawkeye Wrestling, and they would most certainly outperform our stale cast of characters. Why? Because they have the brains, innovation, and adaptability our buffoons so obviously lack.
“We weren’t prepared. After decades in the biz, we were not prepared. And now we’ve got work to do. The past is the past, and we have to move forward. It’s a mindset.”
Do they do another coaches ranking after conference championships?
I might be crazy, but I don’t remember them doing that. I tried to google coaches rankings from previous years, and the latest ones I ever saw were mid to late February.
So was Schriever going to be the guy and at the last minute they switched to Teske? And did they determine then that Teske getting the 14th seed was better off than sending Schriever?
Would it?
For an automatic bid, yes.
For an at-large bid, Teske might already be in unless all of Whisenhunt, Van Dee, and Nicolar Rivera collapse entirely at conferences at the same time that Teske does. If Teske loses to Bouzakis, beats Norris, and loses to Nagao/VanDee, Teske won't be dropping 9 spots in the Coaches Poll. If the fulcrum point for #14 Teske is being able to beat #11 Norris , but the fulcrum point for #9 Teske is being able to beat one of #8 Wells or #10 Cayden Rooks, I'm not sure that there's a huge difference for Teske in terms of an at-large bid to Nationals.
My interpretation of the situation(may be wrong, just my opinion) is that Schriever was dealing with an injury. Staff decided to give him as much time as possible to recover before holding the final wrestle-off for the spot, which Teske won.
Because of the late wrestle off, the timeframe to change submission from Schriever to Teske had passed, giving him 14 seed.
You have officially lost it, its okay I still like the passion but you need to come up for some air and breathe. I get the point of view and would not mind an addition but thats it.
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